Errors in city's names?

Originally posted by Rolo Master
I have descoveried another error:
Oporto is Porto

In Portuguese cities the list is not very good. Here is a short list-

Lisboa
Porto
Faro
Coimbra
Setúbal
Aveiro
Braga
Beja
Évora
Bragança
Guimarães
Vila Real
Guarda
Castelo Branco
Santarém
Sagres
Lagos
Tavira
Silves
Sines
Cartaxo

I agree! ;)
 
Here's the correct city names list for the Ottomans (all in Turkish):


Istanbul
Edirne
Bursa
Iznik
Uskudar
Izmit
Aydin
Antalya
Konya
Sinop
Kaffa
Ankara
Selanik
Mugla
Denizli
Bolu
Urfa
Bingol
Rize
Zonguldak
Kirklareli
Karabuk
Cankiri
Iskenderun
Tunceli
Sivas
Yozgat
Tokat
Van

Recommended Additions:

Izmir
Adana
Diyarbakir
Trabzon
Kars
Tekirdag
Canakkale / Gelibolu (Galipoli)


Changes:

> Edrine - Edirne (the old one was just wrong)
> Salonika - Selanik (Salonika is correct, but Selanik is the Turkish way of saying it)
> Riza - Rize (Riza is a Turkish name, nothing to do with the city)
> Kafa - Kaffa (Kafa means "head" in Turkish, which sounds funny when you build a city with that name)
 
Ok, I finished my exams today (things went not well, but at least it's over).


What would you say, shall we start a new thread?

Do all agree on using the ENGLISH form of the city names?

e.g. Nuremberg instead of Nürnberg.

Keep in mind that SPECIAL characters like üöäß will cause problems.

Setúbal
Évora
Guimarães
Santarém

These accents WILL work, but you cannot enter then ingame (tried it, did not work), but you can enter them in the Editor.

MGL and SGL names are needed, too. Remember, English version.

Shell we start a new thread with this in mind or continue here?

I think for Spanish/Portuguese/German/Turkish city names we already have very good suggestions.

Could someone find an Incan or Maya, Arab, Mongol... we would need to correct names for every civ, not only selected ones. Otherwise we could leave things as they are and do our own mods for ourselves.


Looking forward to your replies.
 
Originally posted by Doc Tsiolkovski
[...]
Re: MGLs - Horsa and Hengest are stupid. Aber warum ersetzt Ihr Preußen die ausschließlich mit Preußen oder Brandenburgern? (Translation - "internal German relations" Why only Prussians?)

My proposals: Hermann der Cherusker, Ludwig der Bayer, Barbarossa, Wallenstein, Blücher, Richthofen, Rommel

And the SGLs: Why does everyone removes Fritz Haber? The man did invent the Fertilizer, Gas Warfare, lots of explosive (unintentionally, they use the same chemical process as the fertilizer). He definitely is one of the most important Chemists ever, but since he was Jewish, he 'dropped' off public memory. Clearly a by far more important scientist than Diesel or Zeppelin.

Hallo nach Würzburg! :goodjob:

To be honest, I don't think that I put too much Prussians in my proposal. :cool:

But it for sure is a fact that most of the commonly known military persons were from Prussia. This in principle doesn't mean any ranking, it is just a fact.
About Richthofen: As far as the "Red Baron" is concerned, he for sure is well known, but as having been just a (very good) fighter pilot - and squadron leader, of course - in my eyes he doesn't qualify for an army leader.
I put in the persons who contributed to the Prussian army reform as of 1806-1814, since this reform made the Prussian army become very strong and dominating for almost one century. In the game, this would be reflected by the use of armies in comparison with single units. For that, I found this logical.

About Fritz Haber: since he was a strong advocate of chemical warfare as well, I've put him out of my list. By the way, he converted to protestantism in 1893, at the age of 25.
I don't like weapons of mass destruction, but this of course is just a personal attitude of mine.

As I have stated in my posting above, I think that the Germans as being a "nation" entered the stage around 850 - 963 (Otto I.), depending on what you see as the basis for some tribes now to be called a nation.
For that, Hermann is out of the race. He was a Germanic chief, nevertheless.

At last: my proposal just was a proposal, which of course can and should be discussed ;)
 
Longasc: Your proposal is just fine for me!
 
Originally posted by Commander Bello
Cities:
(I deleted some cities from this list, since they were only for a rather short time part of Germany [especially those in Elsass-Lothringia], have lost their status as independant administrative units or are just not more of importance)

01. Berlin
02. Hamburg
03. Dresden
04. Muenchen [Munich]
05. Leipzig
06. Breslau (now Polish)
07. Koeln [Cologne]
08. Frankfurt am Main [Frankfurt/M.]
09. Nuernberg [Nuremberg]
10. Duesseldorf
11. Hannover
12. Stuttgart
13. Chemnitz
14. Magdeburg
15. Charlottenburg
16. Essen
17. Stettin (now Polish)
18. Koenigsberg (now under Russian administration)
19. Bremen
20. Duisburg
21. Dortmund
22. Halle an der Saale [Halle/S.]
23. - deleted
24. - deleted
25. Kiel
26. Mannheim
27. - deleted
28. Danzig (now Polish)
29. - deleted
30. - deleted
31. Gelsenkirchen
32. Aachen
33. - deleted
34. Posen (now Polish)
35. Braunschweig
36. Kassel
37. Bochum
38. Karlsruhe
39. Krefeld
40. Plauen
41. Wiesbaden
42. Erfurt
43. Augsburg
44. - deleted
45. - deleted
46. Luebeck
47. Mainz
48. - deleted
49. Bonn
50. Muenster in Westfalen [Muenster/W.]

All cities taken from a list of the 100 biggest towns in the German Reich as of the head count of 1905.

a link to German history (English version): http://german.about.com/library/blhist_time01.htm

German MGL:
Scharnhorst
Gneisenau
Clausewitz
Boyen
Grolmann

Bluecher
Zieten
Wallenstein
Moltke
Guderian
Rommel

German SGL:
Konrad Roentgen (X-rays)
Rudolf Diesel (motor)
Graf Zeppelin (airships/blimps/dirigibles)
Robert Koch (physician)
Albertus Magnus (medieval philosophy)
Nikolaus Kopernikus (astronomy)
Johannes Gutenberg (printing)
G. W. Leibniz (called: the last universal scientist)

I think Germany should have Vienna. After all, they speak German there and Austria is not a separate tribe in the game.
 
Originally posted by Longasc

Keep in mind that SPECIAL characters like üöäß will cause problems.
These accents WILL work, but you cannot enter then ingame (tried it, did not work), but you can enter them in the Editor.


I think for Spanish/Portuguese/German/Turkish city names we already have very good suggestions.

You can write with accents in-game simply by referring to the character map.

Don't forget my french list ^^. If we decide to use english names, Marseille and Lyon will take an S, but thats the only difference in the whole list.
 
Originally posted by EdwardTking


I think Germany should have Vienna. After all, they speak German there and Austria is not a separate tribe in the game.

Well, since Austria *IS* in the game (at least provisions are made to include it), I even skippend Salzburg from my list.

The problem with us Germans is that we have had much of influence in Europe during the past centuries. And since the concept of nations is not that old yet, sometimes it is really difficult to determine, whether a given area should belong to here or there in the game.
All we can do is to say that is does belong to a given country nowadays.

For instance, the first German university has been founded 1348 AD at Prague. Does that qualify Prague to be a German town in the game? I am pretty sure, that most people would be quite surprised if they would find it in the German city list, wouldn't they?
And what about Basel (CH)? Since there is no Switzerland in the game, would Basel have to be a German town as well?

You see, sometimes it is not that easy...
 
Oporto is the English way to Porto. Why? It's simple. In Portuguese we say: Sou do Porto. (I'm from Oporto)
 
Originally posted by Longasc

Keep in mind that SPECIAL characters like üöäß will cause problems.

Setúbal
Évora
Guimarães
Santarém

These accents WILL work, but you cannot enter then ingame (tried it, did not work), but you can enter them in the Editor.

MGL and SGL names are needed, too. Remember, English version.

Those cities name you don't have in English. It's like Osaka or Köbe...

BTW why Samarkand was out of the city name list of the Mongols? Anyone?
 
What's the problem, then it is Osaka.

I guess the English/Americans have an world atlas, too -> the city must have a name on the map, and what is standing there, that is for me how the English call the city.

Of course Osaka is not of English origin - but that's their name for Osaka.

They also call Berlin Berlin, but München is Munich - probably because they could not spell it or hate the Umlaut (ü) character.
 
Originally posted by Longasc

They also call Berlin Berlin, but München is Munich - probably because they could not spell it or hate the Umlaut (ü) character.


Yup, we are pretty linguistically prejudiced; and after all those
funny foreign characters are probably downright perverted if not actually commie.

And merely trying to think about that weird Umlaut (ü) character makes our brains ache!

Was it invented to annoy us?
 
I think it is some sort of revenge for the "th". While practicing the correct pronounciation of "the", "these", "them" and so on some people have lost their teeth.

I have more problems with those accents, they are hard to type.

One funny thing is that american keyboards do not have äöü and ß. You will have really problems typing "Führer". Things got better over the years as there was no Führer anymore, but now there is Gerhard Schröder, a name that is very difficult for English speaking people.

Gerhard Schroder - if they write it with the replacement ue for ü, they are even more confused with Gerhard Schroeder.


But well, the only true revenge exacted by the Romans on the Germans was the Latin language -> I had to read latin writings for years, and it was very difficult to learn, it was really hard to find someone speaking Latin alive. :)
 
Originally posted by Voyelles
You can write with accents in-game simply by referring to the character map.
I can use accents in game without using character map. I only use my keyboard. I also change Cankiri to "Çankiri", like I saw in an atlas. Portuguese and Turkish use this letter Ç.
 
Originally posted by Longasc
I think these two are meant:
Hengest or Hengist (?-488) was ruler of Kent, England. The facts of his life are unknown, but according to Bede (writing nearly 200 years after the events in question), he and his brother Horsa were mercenaries for Vortigern, hired to fight against the Picts. Following his victories over the Picts, Hengest invited more immigrants from Germany to settle in Britain, turned on Vortigern, and established himself as king.

The actual historical existence of both Hengest and Horsa has been called into question numerous times, with many historians labeling these two as legendary 'divine twins' along the order of Romulus and Remus. It is perhaps more likely that Hengest, meaning 'Stallion', was an honorific for an actual warlord, while Horsa was a later accretion to the story, perhaps as a misreading of a gloss in a manuscript that was written to define the name Hengest as meaning 'horse'.


Well, it seems like Hengest came from Germany...

It's more likely that Hengist and Horsa were brother and sister, "Hengist" meaning "Stallion" as you correctly state and "Horsa" meaning "Mare".
 
Fun Fact:

The Viking citys of Copenhagen and Aarhus, (Cities in Denmark) is in Danish: København and Århus.

The towns of Odense & Aalborg is spelled correct in the game.

There are more then four Danish citys in the game, but these four citys are the four biggest cities in Denmark. If any one for fun, wishes to know if the other Danish cities are spelled correct, then just tell me :)

København is the capitol of Denmark, but is also the biggest city in Skandinavia. Bigger the Oslo, Stockholm & Trondheim. But Trondheim is alittle older, thats why its the capitol of the Vikings.

Hope someone can use this info :)

:egypt:
Have a nice day
 
Originally posted by Longasc
What's the problem, then it is Osaka.
(...)
Of course Osaka is not of English origin - but that's their name for Osaka.

In Portuguese e.g. there are none <=> name for Osaka.

----
BTW Badajoz should be on Portuguese AND Spanish city list.
 
Originally posted by Voyelles
French leaders:

Bertrand du Guesclin
Napoléon
Saint Louis
De Gaulle
Philippe Auguste
Marechal Foch
(charlemagne deleted as he was not really "french" but frankish as his heritage is just as much german as it is french)(Richelieu deleted as he was no military leader but the kings advisor)



but napoleion isnt french ether! hes Corsican!!
 
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