EU2 AAR: Granada

I would wait until Spain's alliance falls apart, so option 3 is out. I think a brief period of peace is in order for brave Granada, so that would put out option 2 as well, particularly if it threatens France.

A mix of options 1 and 4 seem in order, with emphasis on repaying the debt and preparing Granada for an inevitable future war.
 
Alright, i'll focus on the economy then, provided fate lets me. One of the loans has been around since almost the start of the game, i think. It'll feel odd to erase it. I think i'll name it Kan, just to make it easier... ;)
If i can, i'll try to work you into the story as well, D'Artagnan, but Gascoigne hasn't really been in the centre of world affairs for a while. Relations drop a steady pace, though, and they eventually might decide to break lose. That would go some way to get them attention...
Getting Spain's maps is nice, but i hadn't really planned on colonizing America. Being Sunni Muslim leaves one a little short staffed in the colonist department! But we'll see.

Any advise on how to take Sardinia? All other Spanish provinces look conquerable, but Sardinia is rocky and usually defended by some 20 thousand men. Not to mention that the Spanish fleet likes to hang out in its vicinity.
 
One of the loans has been around since almost the start of the game, i think. It'll feel odd to erase it. I think i'll name it Kan, just to make it easier...

...If i can, i'll try to work you into the story as well, D'Artagnan,

If you're going to work posters into the story, and need incentives to keep playing at your best, then I humbly request I be named King of France. You need a worthy adversary :evil:
 
If we're calling spots, I'll be the bloody pope, and I declare crusade on you heritics. Kan, you may commence firing cows at will.
 
It is now 1504. An decade has passed since the last entry of this chronicle and, in truth, not much worth reporting has happened. The years have been spend with amassing money and extending the diplomatic network. Only once did the army see action, when it was ordered to finally put down the natives, who had taken control of the Canary Islands. This venture succeeded, and the first Granadian colonists were send there to boost the population. Once the colony turns into a city, it will be the only accessible port on the west coast of Africa, giving it some potential strategic significance.

Granada now is loan free and has almost 1000 gold pieces in her treasury. Enough to wage a war, build a manufactury, or attempt some conversions.

The warmongers argued that Granada's enemies are getting further and further ahead in technology. Without crippling them in some way, battles will soon become horrifyingly costly. King Kan of France has access to almost twice as much income as Emir Tillothy, and is part of a more inventive culture. Spain and her allies, chiefly among them the Papal States under Vir Ferreus MMLV, were a tempting target, even without a casus belli. Better to attack them now, the warmongers argued, than to wait until 1509 when their alliance expired, and they might ally with France!
Another option would be Genua. Brought into play by sheik Hitti, it is a weak nation with no real ally, but a trade centre. The trade centre would likely pay for the cost of holding it, and Genua's second province, Corsica, would be an excellent base of operations against the Spain-Italy alliance.

The warmongers' opponents were split into two camps. One argued for refineries, the other for conversions. The supporters of refineries (well, one refinery), reasoned that investing into one would speed up research, helping Granada to keep pace with her more advanced neighbors, as well as increase income. Surely preferable over spending the money on war, which would bring in provinces of little value due to reduced income by cultural and religious differences.

The supporters of conversions agreed with the latter camp on their opposition against war, but suggested to spend the money in turning more provinces to the true faith. This would increase their income by 30%, and reduce stability costs. Of course, conversions were not certain to succeed. With the current, barely adequate, monarch odds topped at around 43%. For the economic powerhouses, odds were between 20 and 30%.

(This isn't much of an update, i admit, but this felt like a good point to stop. The real update will likely come next week, when i have more time. Until then you have time to cast your weight behind the doves or hawks. ;))
 
Sounds like the years of peace have benefited Granada alot - 1000 ducats in the treasury is not bad!

I don't think you have much to gain from a war against France and/or the Italians and Spain, so I suggest using the money on either a refinery or conversions. I would have sent missionaries to the provinces with highest odds and lowest cost, and hoping the more difficult ones would be converted by events. However, if you feel that you have much to gain through trade, go for the refinery. :)
 
I suggest that you build a refinery and then get ready for a war. Reformation will start soon, and that will most likely cause some wars in Europe. If France gets involved, you know what to do: build a mosque in Paris.
 
King Kan of France has access to almost twice as much income as Emir Tillothy, and is part of a more inventive culture. Spain and her allies, chiefly among them the Papal States under Vir Ferreus MMLV, were a tempting target, even without a casus belli. Better to attack them now, the warmongers argued, than to wait until 1509 when their alliance expired, and they might ally with France!

:love:

(This isn't much of an update, i admit, but this felt like a good point to stop. The real update will likely come next week, when i have more time. Until then you have time to cast your weight behind the doves or hawks. ;))

You seem to be at your best when at war, so most certainly that. At worst you get destroyed and, well, that works for me too!
 
No rest for the faithful

After some deliberation, it was decided not to build the refinery. it simply would be too expensive and would take too long to pay for itself. The trade bonus would have been nice, but in truth, there was little hope of competing against the infidel traders - with it or without. So it was decided to try convert some provinces to the true faith. Missionaries were dispatched to Aragon, Asturias and Murcia. Almost immediately afterwards, the current Emir died and was replaced by a much more competent one. Future missions would have a higher chance of success, but the current conversion attempts wouldn't be influenced.
But instead of spending more money on conversions, emir Tillothy the ?th worked on repairing Granada's alliance. Within a short time, Tlemcen and Tripolis joined it. Gascogne, under D'Artagnan, rejected multiple offers, putting a strain on relations and casting doubt over the future of its status as vassal.
Then, in the last days of 1505, news reached Granada that Tripolis had been attacked Spain, the Papal States, Brittany, and Naples! needless to say, Granada was all too glad to assist her new ally..

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A familiar sight.

Catalonia had been left undefended, so the siege could commence with no delay. With nobody for the army to fight, it was up to the navy to draw the first blood. The eleven warships disembarked from The Baleares with orders to protect the coast. They utterly failed. Badly and repeatedly. Even two Spanish ships were enough to rout them, nevermind larger forces. They were chased back and forth across the Mediterranean Sea, before they finally found refuge in some North African port. Miraculously, only two ships had been lost. Morale was shattered, however, and along with it any dreams of Granada controlling the sea...
The Spanish-Italian scoundrels made haste to exploit this weakness, by trying to land forces in Al Andalus. But whoever commanded their invasion forces was an imbecile. Instead of attacking the undefended heart provinces of Granada and Andalusia, the Spanish commander decided to try an amphibious assault on Catalonia. Since the siege was still ongoing, the entire Granadian army was assembled there. After months of dwindling their thumbs, waiting for the city garrison to surrender, they were delighted to finally get some exercise. Catalonia's shores were soon drenched with Spanish blood and littered with the corpses of thousands of infidel infantrymen. Granadian losses were marginal.
Smarting for her ally's disaster, the Naplese commander landed his forces in Roussillon. While it was undefended at the time of the invasion, it was within the short reach from Catalonia, and the Naplese infantrymen were badly outnumbered by the Granadian cavalry. When it reached them, their fate was no different from that of the Spanish.
This was enough to discourage Brittany and the Papal States from a direct attack on Granada, so they opted to strike at Bearn instead. They had just set up their camp for the siege, when Catalonia surrendered. With nothing else to do, the Granadian army came to the defense of Bearn. After a fierce fight, the remainer of the infidel host retreated to Gascogne. Gascogne? Yes, treacherous D'Artagnan had given the entire Spanish alliance right of passage! An act of defiance that would be punished - in time!

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Yet again it is up to Granada to defend Béarn for her feckless ally!

The capture of the Spanish capital, along with the victories on land, made more than up for the disastrous naval record. But sitting idly until peace offers arrived wouldn't do. The enemies were still unbroken, and Spanish forces were besieging Tripolis. This prompted the Emir to send a large part to its relief - and to take some Italian provinces, if possible. Easier said than done, however, since the sea was blocked. It took half a dozen humiliating defeats before the troops had successfully crossed the straight of Gibraltar to Fez. The rest of the way was covered on foot. Once it arrived in Tripolis, defeating the small Spanish force there was a small matter. Several months - and several misadventures - later, Granada's navy finally arrived in Tripolis, too. The army embarked, and set over to Sicily!

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Getting reinforcements to Sicily was a tricky business, for the Spanish dogs controlled the sea!

Sicily was undefended, but the size of its fortresses required reinforcements before sieges could begin. Getting them there required the navy to backtrack to Gibraltar through hostile waters and then make it back to Tripolis... another string of defeats! Naples warscore was now at 10% against Granada, purely due to its superior navy. But it had to be done, and eventually the troops reached the island. Neither Spain nor Naples made any attempt to help Sicily, so it surrendered.

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While Sicily is wrestled from Spain, their army hides on Sardinia!

While Spain's inaction is puzzling Naples may be excused, for the infidels were -yet again - infighting. King Kan had send a massive army to his Italian provinces, and while the French and Spanish alliance wasn't at war, it was understandable that Naples was at loath to leave her core unprotected...

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Allah protect us if they ever manage to get those troops to Al Andalus!


Meanwhile back in Al Andalus, the missionaries attempts came to a close. Murcia was welcomed to the brotherhood of the righteous, whereas the unbelievers in Asturias and Aragon revolted! They were put down quickly but the lack of success still stung. As if rebellion were suddenly the newest fashion, the natives of the Canary Islands attempted one as well. With no means of sending troops there, the Emir had to watch them take control of the island and damage the Granadian settlement on it. With that, the year 1512 came to a gloomy close.

The next year started on a lighter note, when the Papal States came begging for peace! While the capture of Rome certainly was a dream of the Emir, it wasn't something he intended to accomplish in this war. His quarrel was with Spain and Spain alone, her allies were welcome to get out of the way. A few days later, Brittany sued for peace as well.

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Pope Vir Ferreus MMLV has had enough!

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Behold the cowardice of the unbelievers - another ally abandons Spain!


Granada's allies had settled for separate peace deals, without her noticing. The emir hoped that they at least had come out ahead in the negotiations, since their battles largely went against them. So now it was Granada against Naples and Spain. Naples wouldn't take a white peace, and with Naples navy hostile, there was no way to safely navigate the Mediterranean Sea. Even if it had been possible to somehow reach Sardinia, it was too heavily defended to attempt an assault. The only other option was to try to steal Spain's colonies. A tempting notion! But there was no port yet on the West Indies, and without one, attrition would be horrible.

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The stain of the infidel is upon the New World already. It will be up to Granada to cleanse it!

While contemplating on whether to send a military expedition force right away, or try to colonize one of the West Indies first, a peace offer from Spain reached the Emir. They were offering all of Sicily!
While Sicily's provinces had an alien culture, and were inhabited by infidels, of course, they still would make an excellent launching pad for invasions into Italy. Granada accepted.

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Victory! Another limb has been severed from the monster, but it is not dead yet. Will Spain recover?

The bad boy rating is now at 22 again, so no more conquests for a while. In Europe, that is. I believe annexing pagans is acceptable, and we do have knowledge of the Aztec... Attacking them would require at least one colony as supply stop, however, or the attrition would become unbearable. And getting their world map would be tricky, as well. But the payoff would be all the treasures of Tenochtitlan!

Alternatively, we could turn on Songhai. They have been engaged in endless futile wars with Morocco. Futile mostly because Songhai is accessible only through two desert provinces with tiny supply limits. Getting there would either require a split of the army in very small units, or suffer horrible attrition. Besides, Songhai shares our faith, so i'm not even sure if conquering them wouldn't be considered a bad. The reward would be Timbuktu, a rich centre of trade, and provinces with fitting religion.

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Fiery Songhai with rich Timbuktu is an alluring target. But how to cross the murderous deserts to reach it?

Spoiler Greater Granada :
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The land of the righteous and the divided fiefdoms of the not-yet-crushed.


Edit. If you are interested, here is a lot more information on the current state of affairs.
 
Once again a great update. It must take a while to write it. :) Anyway, nice to see permanent Granadian presence on Sicily. I don't know if it will bring much income for you, though, with both wrong culture and wrong religion. You might want to consider releasing it as an vassal (that might not be possible before later in the game). If you manage to convert Sicily, the released vassal will be Sunni, by the way.

That's some tough luck with your navy. What naval tech do you got? If it's below 9, I would recommend building some galleys, as they are quite powerful compared to warships early in the game. Of course, if you're focused on Land in the DP-settings, you won't have much chance in naval engagements anyway.

Great to see that you now have maps over the New World! I would very much recommend start cranking out those settlers and colonize the rich provinces. The best provinces would be around Brazil (Recife), so if you get a conquistador, send him there! You can make a lot of money if you get there and manage to monopolize trade, which shouldn't be so hard with Portugal and Spain gone and weakened. ;)
 
It wouldn't have been so long, was it not for the German railway company screwing up, leaving me stranded in a train station for two hours with nothing to do...

My navy tech is 3, i think. It's behind that of most European nations, in any case, and focus is on land. So lack of success is not really surprising, but still frustrating! Sicily would cost a fortune to convert, and i'm not going to create another Christian vassal. Gascogne is bad enough!

Taking the Aztec Empire would be awesome, but i only get one colonist in three years. I think at a bare minimum, colonies in Jamaica and Puerto Rico are required to get a decent supply route. And then there's the matter of getting the Aztec Map... it's going to cost a lot of bribe money!
Might be easier to let the Spanish take them, and take the colonies from Spain.

Granada can only get conquistadors via random events, and for those to come into play, i need a naval tech of >=11. That's a loooooooong way off and America might already be divided by then...
 
Ah, only level 3? Then you should build some galleys! 20 or 30 should do - they're not expensive, and also cheap in upkeep. Hopefully it will be easier to get troops back and forth to Sicily then. I think it will be very difficult to defend that island without a proper navy.

It shouldn't be so hard to take out the Aztecs if you got land tech 9, as assaulting their forts will succeed almost all the time. Build a level 1 colony in either Jamaica or Puerto Rico to get the supply route up. You don't need higher level than that. With only one support port, you should wait for naval tech 4 so you can build transports, which are way faster than the galleys (and they don't sink so fast in open waters).

You're probably aware of it already, but you won't get BB from declaring war on pagans, nor from annexing them. You can annex them in one go if you control all their provinces. At least this counts for Europeans (I think Granada is European).

I don't think there is any preconditions for getting conquistadors. You need it for explorers though. :)

Good luck in the forthcoming years! If you have the money and techs, it'll be fun to see a muslim invasion of America... ;)
 
The galley idea certainly is worth considering. If we going to dabble in the Colonization business in America, we are going to need two navies.
Land Tech is 3 or 4, so sieges will have to go on until the forts surrender. Kan does have Land Tech 9, though, so and he just finished a war against Austria and Switzerland. If he's looking our way, then we'll have to hope for incompetent generals...
 
Buy galleys, but also a couple of warships. Galleys aren't good in travelling to America, if you try that you will most likely lose a big chunk of your navy during the trip. Warships and transports are much better when travelling big distances.
 
Can't see if this has been brought up before, but how many monarchs does Granada get with AGCEEP? Vanilla EU2 seems to only give Granada leaders until 1492, and the last one seems a bit average at best.

One thing I did like about EU3 that EU2 lacks was the ability to give your country 'national ideas.', so you could steer it towards certain doctrines. Would be handy to boost your navy and gain extra colonists, if you're dedicated to taking the Americas.

Personally however, I would worry more about European adventures.
 
Conquest of the New World
And crumble of the Old

With Spain humiliated and Granada's reputation once again in ruins over the acquisition of Sicily, it seemed natural that King Kan would retaliate in the name of Infidelity Christianity. But for some reason, he didn't. Maybe it was rumors of religious strife being on the verge of breaking out that kept Kan's hands idle, or maybe the wine had made him soft - who knows?

With France docile, Granada turned her attention towards the new world. Contact with the Aztec empire had been established, and bribes were issued until Granada was in possession of map describing the locations of all Aztec provinces.
At the same time, colonies were established in Porto Rico and Jamaica. They were merely meant to serve as supply stations for Granada's expedition forces, but Puerto Rico proved useful far beyond that, for gold was found on the island!

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The Aztec Empire... ripe for the plucking!


The Aztecs never suspected any mischief, thinking Granada had paid hundreds of gold for their map out of idle curiosity. How wrong they were became obvious to them all too soon, when Granadian cavalry landed on their shores! With supply lines shaky, Granada's expedition force had to split up in order to avoid attrition. Fortunately, the Aztec generals chose not to make advantage of this, and opted for a wait and see approach while they assembled a huge army in an uncontested province.


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Why don't they seek battle? Did Granada's forces forget to bathe?


After Granada had taken several provinces, they finally decided to intervene by trying to win back an undefended conquered province. The Granadian general wasn't keen on risking the lives of any of his men due to the difficulties of getting replacements, so the war largely went without bloodshet. Instead, simply he lay siege to another undefended Aztec province. It soon became obvious that more soldiers would be required to defeat the Aztecs, but just when the reinforcements were about to embark in Tago, fate intervened!


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Lack of troops and certain developments in Europe delay the conquest of the Aztecs.


England declared war! They were part of an alliance let by Venice. None of its members had had any quarrel with Granada before, so their motives were a little opaque. But it's not like the infidel barbarians need an excuse for bloodshed, anyway.
This time around, Granada's navy didn't even leave the port, remembering how futile naval battles had been against the Spanish coalition. With England free to chose the battlefield, they picked Rousillion. What is it with this province that every nation seems hell bent to conquer it? Well, no matter, it suited Granada well. Attempts by Venice to directly land troops there were easily defeated. England, however, attacked it via Gascogne, which once again betrayed her master.


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Battling a new enemy on familiar ground...


Keeping the English out of Rousillion was a costly business, taking the lives of many Granadian men and horses. It was largely successful, however, and eventually Venice sued for peace. Their compensation offer was an insult to Granada's dead, but the Emir was all to glad to take it for Granada's coffers were empty by now.

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Hardly a fair compensation. But at least England takes care of the rebels on the Balears for Granada!


About the same time, the "reformation" struck Europe. From then on, granada was left in peace while the rest of Europe descended into chaos. France, the former superpower, became the battleground of an European war. The Huguenots and French Catholics split from it, were conquered, split again, were annexed by a foreign power, and seceded again. Only to come under foreign influence again. Meanwhile other nation, chiefly among them Poland, pounded the remainder of France, annexing several provinces. Gascogne was caught in the crossfire and got herself annexed by England. This might actually be a blessing in disguise, as England would be unlikely to grant France military access. Not that France was such a terrible threat anymore...


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Behold the self destruction of the infidel!


Spain grabbed parts of the Netherlands for herself, but mainly focused on colonizing America. Granada was free to pursue her own agenda in America, and conquered the Aztecs in a series of wars. Compared to the last war against England and Venice, the Aztecs with their obsolete weapons were pushovers. The biggest problem was the small supply limit of Aztec provinces, but this became less of an issue once a few had been annexed.

The conquest of Tenochtitlan concluded Granada's expansions for the time being. Europe was still tearing herself apart, so the Emir decided to finally get his diverse and decentralized empire in shape. Much of the Aztec gold was reinvested into conventing the New World to the True Faith, while domestic policies were enacted to centralize the administration of the empire in Granada. This was dull work, but substantially increased revenue and sped up research.
Spain was also active in the New World, establishing colonies left and right. Unfortunately for them, they seemed unable to deal to revolts there, and not before long, several had defected to Granada!
Another milestone was reached when Granada received her first Conquistador. For the first time, it was possible to gain further knowledge of America without conquering the Spanish capital. Exploring turned out to be quite fun, even though it didn't compare to sticking it to the Spanish, of course...

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Granada's current oversea possessions.

It was this way that contact with the Inca was established. Unfortunately there was no realistic way of reaching them with a sizable army, so the Emir had to content himself with watching Spain's failures to conquer them. Having been thoroughly bored with decades of peace, Morocco's attack on the Songhai empire was a welcome chance to increase the empire again. In a series of wars, the Songhai were broken up into several kingdoms, and their centre of trade Timbuktu was annexed by Granada.
After that, expansion occurred only via colonists. This was a costly and often unsuccessful business, but at that time, Granada had pulled ahead of the rest of the world in trade technology. Granadian merchants dominate the markets at the time this is written, generating more than enough revenue to fuel colonization attempts.

The wars between the European nations appear to have calmed down a bit by now, with France coming out as the big loser. Poland, along with Austria, are major powers now. Fortunately too far in the East to be a threat to Granada - or so the Emir likes to believe!

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How the mighty have fallen!

With France's threat contained, Spain and England look posed to be most dangerous threats. Spain has the second largest income in the game - behind Granada - but its inflation is much higher. It holds claims on half of Iberia's provinces, which are viewed as legitimate for some bizarre reason. England was barely scratched during the latest wars, and had at some point Brittany and the Huguenots as vassals. I believe Brittany is now a vassal of Spain - it's hard to keep track. In any case, they look to be in a good position to challenge for a spot in the New World. Both nations are way ahead in military technology, since Granada focused all research on Trade and Infrastructure for the better part of a century.

We are now in a comfortable position with plenty of cash flowing in. By simply keep sending merchants it should be possible to generate enough income to stay ahead in the trade technology race. Colonists could be used to flesh out our oversea holdings, many of which are trade posts or level 1 colonies. That'd probably be smart move, if a bit dull.
Or we could use to money to try to extend Granada's reach further into Europe. With France being in such a weakened state, it should be possible to take a province or two. Our bad boy rating is way down to ~10, since Granada acquired only one "Old World" province, Timbuktu, in over a hundred years.

So what to do?

@Kan

I took a peek at the monarch file, and there appear to be enough to last until the end of the game. There was a noticeable improvement in quality since the historical monarch had run out. No more "Civil War" kings...
EU2 does allow you set doctrines - it's called "domestic policies". You can change them only once in 10 years, though, and then only by a single notch. Taking Granada from a decentralized mess to a strictly centralized empire took almost 100 years!

Edit:

Two more pics showing the current (1646) economic situation:
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Conquer the Inca empire! Declare war to Spain, take few colonies, move as many troops as possible to Spanish South America, make a status quo peace, use the Spanish lands to get to Cuzco.
 
Ah, great to see the presence of Moors in the New World. That Aztec gold would surely help you in future struggles. And it's also good to see that you're making a fortune on trading. It shouldn't be too hard to secure 100% monopolies in American CoTs, bringing your income to further heights.

With your economy on track, it's perhaps time for some warfare or bribing? Maybe it will be possible to vassalize and diploannex Morocco now? And maybe you could afford to recruit a large army to defeat the Spanish at Sardinia? :)

By the way, it seems that you posted the same pic twice.
 
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