EU3 Aragon AAR: Los Reyes de la Tierra, el Mar y el Mundo

[MrPopov]

I think including such an event should present big domestic problems in addition to the foreign bad boy and casus beli.

I don't think the Balkin peoples would approve of such rule. I say the cores should not be granted south of the danube, but instead any province that was originally orthodox (ie orthodox from when the game started before any missionary conversions, that is to say there are still large orthodox minorities in these regions) should have a very large unrest chance. I also don't think the Iberain peoples would approve of Roman rule either. Unless, say, you were in a largely decentralised republic-like government...

Also the reformation (I know it is still a long time away) should be especially hard on a New Roman Empire.

 

[Tani Coyote]

I think including such an event should present big domestic problems in addition to the foreign bad boy and casus beli.

I don't think the Balkin peoples would approve of such rule. I say the cores should not be granted south of the danube, but instead any province that was originally orthodox (ie orthodox from when the game started before any missionary conversions, that is to say there are still large orthodox minorities in these regions) should have a very large unrest chance. I also don't think the Iberain peoples would approve of Roman rule either. Unless, say, you were in a largely decentralised republic-like government...

Also the reformation (I know it is still a long time away) should be especially hard on a New Roman Empire.

Well the Roman rule would eventually be quite cosmopolitan and accepted, I imagine, but as with all great political developments, there would naturally be issues. Perhaps an event(this event will only be applied if you FORMED New Rome, not if you started off as Byzantium) can fire that causes +5 revolt risk nationwide, while also inflicting a nasty -3 stability hit. The event represents the opposition to the initial formation of the empire by the locals. I feel the effects of the event should expire after 30 years(the same time it takes for nationalism to die out). But until then, it's like you just freshly conquered every square inch of your empire... More reason to convert all of the non-state religion provinces before becoming New Rome! (As the religious revolts would make it even harder to control)

I could probably easily craft an event that happens around the same time as the Reformation, producing a minor stability hit of -1 while also increasing stability costs by 20% or so.

As well, as a bit of an added bonus, since one's original culture doesn't change when forming New Rome, the "homeland" territories of whoever formed it will be less likely to revolt. (Since the people of the "homeland" that formed the New Roman Empire will naturally feel more loyal to it, as it more or less is an extension of their empire. Think Russians in the Soviet Union, Prussians in Germany or the English in Great Britain)

Thanks for the ideas, MrPopov!

Sounds interesting.... I've never played Europa Universalis (except for a few rounds in EU2 I think it was, couldn't understand how things were supposed to work and ditched it in favor of Civ II & Civ III), so I don't know how this all fits together exactly.....

Ah, that's a shame! They're both good games, even though EUIII's a bit lacking in events(Magna Mundi's a good mod to get to solve that issue though!). It just takes a while to get used to the interface though... that can be solved through the tutorials that come with both games, however. After a while, trust me, you'll be suffering "One More Year" Syndrome for Europa Universalis that rivals Civilization's infamous "One More Turn" Syndrome!

Pretty much, it's just my way of fulfilling a great wet dream to reform New Rome(plus, vanilla EU3 is bland as can be, so I figured I'd tinker with it). It will have the added bonus of increased challenge, as well.

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

Well, one of the other reasons I quit is that the game wouldn't let me play as the Japanese, only European factions, and I thought, "Oh great! ANOTHER Euro-centric, racist POS game.... If I wanted that, I'd just play Medieval Total War!" (Medieval Total War is alright, but IMO, it's basically the Medieval Conquest from Civ3 Conquests, but not near as much fun or options to play as... That, and when you win a CONQUEST victory in Medieval Total War as DENMARK, then there's not much point in continuing, since anything else would be anti-climactic )

I may have to get EU II out sometime (if I still have the CD)....

 

[MrPopov]

actually you can play as anyone you want. Even a 1 province African tribe for example.

If it is EU2 you were playing just right click a nation in the selection screen and a list of all nations in the game will be displayed and you can scroll to whichever you want.

 

[Tani Coyote]

MrPopov is correct, Hikaro! To better represent the what-if scenarios (at least in my opinion), Paradox made it possible to pick ANY country in EU2 and EU3, provided it existed at the time you try to choose it. To make matters best, when loading a save, you have the option to SWITCH countries, leaving room for interesting results...

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

Well, the point is moot, anyways.... Apparently the CD was among the many destroyed by the Rastafarian, I mean Royal Dutch Airlines when I was flying between Amsterdam and Bahrain....

Do you think that Game Stop, EB Games or *shudder* Wal-Mart might carry EU III?

 

[Tani Coyote]

Well, the point is moot, anyways.... Apparently the CD was among the many destroyed by the Rastafarian, I mean Royal Dutch Airlines when I was flying between Amsterdam and Bahrain....

Do you think that Game Stop, EB Games or *shudder* Wal-Mart might carry EU III?

Most certainly! But if you want to prevent the destruction of any CDs, I would buy it online. Go to Gamersgate and buy it from them. They have all Paradox Interactive games - stuff like EU - half-off at the moment. They carry all the expansions. And on top of all that, you can download the games as many times as you want after you buy them. It's also 30 dollars for the game and it's expansions, if I recall correctly... meaning you save more than if you PHYSICALLY bought the game and it's expansions.

 

[IronMan2055]

I think some sort of Papal control should also be needed to form Rome, as other wise whoever did control it would certainly discourage the move, seeing as it would provide a historical right to most of the rest of Europe and it would place Rome as THE defenders of Christianity.

I also am against the move in general because it would probably make things easier in the long run.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Excellent idea there, IronMan! I'll certainly add in the controller bit... if I can. Maybe I should also make it so you must be Emperor? (That way, there are not two emperors, as the Holy Roman Emperor would be a "Roman" Emperor themselves) Of course, an event will be added that makes it so that the Holy Roman Emperor gets a casus belli on Rome the INSTANT the Roman ruler should ever lose the title.

After all, there cannot be two or more Romes, only one. Therefore, I have to find some way to make it so that casus belli remain constant until one empire destroys the other.

I may choose not to become Rome at all(maybe choosing to wait until near the end of the game to do it, where it can't do much damage), but I should still try to perfect an event chain and create a mini-mod.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

No, i think becoming Rome is a worthy goal... and one most European leaders dreamed of. you should claim the title of Roman Emperor as soon as you can, to remain accurate flavor wise.

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

WTH is Gamer's Gate and how do I know that they can be trusted? I tend to shy away from online sources (unless it's the company website, in the case of games like Diablo II where I also lost one of the install CD's, but because I had the Key for Diablo II and the undamaged Lord of Destruction expansion CD, I was able to download Diablo II and Lord of Destruction off Blizzard's site)...

...Also, I still have my AoI story to finish, not to mention that I'm toying around with something I haven't seen tried here: I'm thinking about doing a "World Domination Tour" AAR for my Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties German Home City (Hamburg, with General Lennart Torstensson as my explorer). The way it will work is that I choose a map, with random allies and enemies, play that map (and record the game for writing up the report and getting screenshots later), then post that as a single chapter, including the outcome of whether I was able to successfully colonize/conquer the area or if the enemies were able to drive me out...

I'm thinking, since I already rolled France as an enemy twice in a row, to make France a permanent enemy (much like Prussia and France during the Napoleonic Wars or the Franco-Prussian War or....), and do battle with them all across the globe.

 

[IronMan2055]

After all, there cannot be two or more Romes, only one.

I guess you'll have to take Moscow too then.

Being HRE makes it more interesting game wise, but isn't something definitely needed in a historic sort of sense.

 

[Tani Coyote]

I guess you'll have to take Moscow too then.

Being HRE makes it more interesting game wise, but isn't something definitely needed in a historic sort of sense.

...I'm not afraid of trying a world conquest some time in the future of this game...

WTH is Gamer's Gate and how do I know that they can be trusted? I tend to shy away from online sources (unless it's the company website, in the case of games like Diablo II where I also lost one of the install CD's, but because I had the Key for Diablo II and the undamaged Lord of Destruction expansion CD, I was able to download Diablo II and Lord of Destruction off Blizzard's site)...

Before I begin, I must say, I like your new avatar!

GamersGate is a website - well-respected at that - that can be used to download videogames directly to your harddrive, bypassing both the retailers and the evil disc-going-missing problem. I understand if you're a bit suspicious, but I've done business with them numerous times, and they've been reviewed favorably by several sources if I can recall correctly... (They're even sponsored by Paradox Interactive, too, it seems)

...Also, I still have my AoI story to finish, not to mention that I'm toying around with something I haven't seen tried here: I'm thinking about doing a "World Domination Tour" AAR for my Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties German Home City (Hamburg, with General Lennart Torstensson as my explorer). The way it will work is that I choose a map, with random allies and enemies, play that map (and record the game for writing up the report and getting screenshots later), then post that as a single chapter, including the outcome of whether I was able to successfully colonize/conquer the area or if the enemies were able to drive me out...

Good point with the AoI story. The Boer Empire has to "liberate" the world, after all.

I'll look forward to any stories you do, especially when world domination is involved!

I'm thinking, since I already rolled France as an enemy twice in a row, to make France a permanent enemy (much like Prussia and France during the Napoleonic Wars or the Franco-Prussian War or....), and do battle with them all across the globe.

Sounds like a plan! Take it to the Frogs!

No, i think becoming Rome is a worthy goal... and one most European leaders dreamed of. you should claim the title of Roman Emperor as soon as you can, to remain accurate flavor wise.

So one vote for Rome, one against! We'll see how everything goes if I actually get there.

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

Before I begin, I must say, I like your new avatar!

Ah, but do you know what it translates as/the significance of it (even though I'm actually slowly learning it as a SECOND language)..

GamersGate is a website - well-respected at that - that can be used to download videogames directly to your harddrive, bypassing both the retailers and the evil disc-going-missing problem. I understand if you're a bit suspicious, but I've done business with them numerous times, and they've been reviewed favorably by several sources if I can recall correctly... (They're even sponsored by Paradox Interactive, too, it seems)

Hell, if the publisher's in on it, then it HAS to be legit... I'll see about getting the stuff later on... Too much stuff on the go right now....

I also vote for Rome, since, as I said, you're about halfway there already....

 

[Tani Coyote]

Ah, but do you know what it translates as/the significance of it (even though I'm actually slowly learning it as a SECOND language)..

It looks Germanic... I'll guess it's Dutch or Afrikaans? Afrikaans would make a ton of sense given the Boer story. People often pick their second language based on things they like in their life. For instance, anime fanatics usually take Japanese, while people who play a ton of Call of Duty seem to learn German...

Based on my knowledge of Latin/Romance tongues and English, I'm going to guess:

Mer - Water/Sea, since it looks like the Latin Mare/Spanish Mar, and French uses Mer as the world for sea as well... /nerd moment
Schwetze - I have no clue. Looks like Swiss to me, but that wouldn't make much sense....
Noch - Night? It looks like Latin Nocte/Spanish Noche/German Nacht.

Die - if I recall, that's a way of saying "the" in some Germanic tongues...
Mudderschprooch - ...Do I even want to guess? The name itself instills terror.

Hell, if the publisher's in on it, then it HAS to be legit... I'll see about getting the stuff later on... Too much stuff on the go right now....

I also vote for Rome, since, as I said, you're about halfway there already....

Well my family's done business with them several times and we haven't been ripped off... GamersGate is Swedish! How much harm could they cause?

2 votes for Rome, 1 against, alrighty then...

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

It looks Germanic... I'll guess it's Dutch or Afrikaans? Afrikaans would make a ton of sense given the Boer story. People often pick their second language based on things they like in their life. For instance, anime fanatics usually take Japanese, while people who play a ton of Call of Duty seem to learn German...

Based on my knowledge of Latin/Romance tongues and English, I'm going to guess:

Mer - Water/Sea, since it looks like the Latin Mare/Spanish Mar, and French uses Mer as the world for sea as well... /nerd moment
Schwetze - I have no clue. Looks like Swiss to me, but that wouldn't make much sense....
Noch - Night? It looks like Latin Nocte/Spanish Noche/German Nacht.

Die - if I recall, that's a way of saying "the" in some Germanic tongues...
Mudderschprooch - ...Do I even want to guess? The name itself instills terror.

It's Pennsylvania German, which I happen to be (my ancestors came over to PA from Switzerland sometime prior to 1750)...

What the sticker says is: "We still speak the Mother tounge"

Mer (Pdc) = Wir (De) = We (En)

Schwetze (Pdc) = Sprechen (De) = Speak (En)

Noch (Pdc) = Nach (de) = Still/Yet (En)

Die (Pdc) = Die (De) = The (en)

Muddersprooch (Pdc) = Muttersprache (de) = Mother Language/Mother Tounge (En)

 

[gangleri2001]

Here am I to provide you the translations into Catalan, the one true language of the crown. Here you got them:

Geography of the Crown
Corona de Aragón - Corona d'Aragó
Aragón - Aragó
Cataluña - Catalunya
Roselón - Rosselló
Valencia - València (Note the accent)
Baleares - Balears
Cerdeña - Sardenya
Sicilia - Sicília (Note the accent)

Other words (in relative order of appearance)
Los Reyes de la Tierra, el Mar y el Mundo = Els reis de la terra, el mar i el món
Enero - Gener
Febrero - Febrer
Marzo - Març
Abril - Abril
Mayo - Maig
Junio - Juny
Julio - Juliol
Agosto - Agost
Septiembre - Setembre
Octubre - Octubre
Noviembre - Novembre
Diciembre - Desembre
Año - Any
Rey - Rei
Reina - Reina
Día - Dia
Mes - Mes
El Mundo - El món
El Año XXXX - Any XXXX (Do NOT add the article before)
Capítulo - Capítol
La Isla de Cerdeña - L'illa de Sardenya
La Reconquista de Iberia - La Reconquesta d'Ibèria
North Africa - Àfrica del nord
La Primera Guerra Ibérica - La Primera Guerra Ibèrica (Note the accent)
The Great King of Granada and North Africa - El gran rei de Granada i Àfrica del nord
La Segunda Guerra Ibérica - La Segona Guerra Ibèrica
The Third Iberian War - La Tercera Guerra Ibèrica
The Fourth Iberian War - La Quarta Guerra Ibèrica
Ayudando los Eslavos - Tot ajudant els eslaus or A l'ajuda dels eslaus pick the one you like best
Los Años de Paz - Anys de pau
El Imperio Bizantino y el Gran Guerra del Este - L'imperi bizantí i la Gran Guerra de l'Est
Rey Ferran II - El rei Ferran II
Las Guerras Italianas - Les Guerres Italianes

Cultures and Countries
Castellano, castellanos - castellà, castellans
Catalán, catalanes - català, catalans
Basque, basques - basc, bascos
Andalusian, andalusians - andalús, andalusos
Portuguese, portugueses - portuguès, portuguesos
Portugal - Portugal
Navarre - Navarra
Inglaterra - Anglaterra
France - França
Crown of Aragon - Corona d'Aragó
Castille - Castella
España - Espanya

How to say dates in Catalan

El Año XXXX becomes Any XXXX (example: Any 1439)

Xth MONTH, YYYY becomes X de MES de YYYY (example: 1 de novembre de 1447)

If the month begins with a vowel (that's to say, Abril, Agost and Octubre) don't forget the apostrophe, so:

X d'MONTH de YYYY (Example: 17 d'agost de 1476)

Early MONTH/YEAR ---> A principis de MONTH/YEAR (example: A principis de març, A principis de 1448)

Mid M/Y ---> A mitjan M/Y (A mitjan novembre, A mitjan 1509)

Late M/Y ---> A finals de M/Y (A finals de febrer, A finals de 1516)

Don't forget the apostrophe when talking about Abril, Agost or Octubre:

A principis d'abril, A finals d'agost, A finals d'octubre.

And that's all. If you have any question, just ask me.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Here am I to provide you the translations into Catalan, the one true language of the crown. Here you got them:

Well, you certainly weren't kidding about coming here, now were you!

La Isla de Cerdeña - L'illa de Sardenya
La Reconquista de Iberia - La Reconquesta d'Ibèria
North Africa - Àfrica del nord
La Primera Guerra Ibérica - La Primera Guerra Ibèrica (Note the accent)
The Great King of Granada and North Africa - El gran rei de Granada i Àfrica del nord
La Segunda Guerra Ibérica - La Segona Guerra Ibèrica
The Third Iberian War - La Tercera Guerra Ibèrica
The Fourth Iberian War - La Quarta Guerra Ibèrica
Ayudando los Eslavos - Tot ajudant els eslaus or A l'ajuda dels eslaus pick the one you like best
Los Años de Paz - Anys de pau
El Imperio Bizantino y el Gran Guerra del Este - L'imperi bizantí i la Gran Guerra de l'Est
Rey Ferran II - El rei Ferran II
Las Guerras Italianas - Les Guerres Italianes

Hmm, you've put in so much effort here, that I feel I need to correct each chapter, or at the very least, put the title in Catalan as well as Castilian(with Catalan a font larger of course. ).

And that's all. If you have any question, just ask me.

Would you happen to know any good online dictionaries for Catalan to help me out? I usually go to Wordreference.com for single words I do not know, and knowing Castilian sentence structure, I'm able to put it together.

 

[IronMan2055]

...Or we could use English? ^_^u

 

[gangleri2001]

Would you happen to know any good online dictionaries for Catalan to help me out? I usually go to Wordreference.com for single words I do not know, and knowing Castilian sentence structure, I'm able to put it together.

Here you got one. The interface is pretty crappy, but it's a good dictionary:

http://www.ibiblio.org/dacco/dict/engcat/catSpeakers/full/main.htm

This is crappy, but it has Romanian too:

http://www.diccionaris.net/

Here you got a multilingual one, if you feel curious enough to compare Catalan with Spanish, German, French and English:

http://www.grec.cat/cgibin/mlt00.pgm

...Or we could use English? ^_^u

We're already using it.