European Middle Ages Mod Resurrection

Again, thank you for the city lists, I really appreciate the help. I've written up a list for all of the current in game wonders and their information, and I'm hoping we can fix the current system, as too many of the wonders are too cheap and have similar effects.

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Also, what new wonders should be included and what should their effects be? I already plan on adding in Zvarnots and Krak des Chivalarous (spelling?).
 
Oh I didn't know that. I guess it is on there then. Are you going to add the assassin strongholds in the Levant?
 
Which St. Peters are you talking about, becuase the one with the dome wasn't built until the Renaissance, the one in the middle ages was pretty ordinary.
 
ohcrapitsnico, I, along with the other modders who are helping, more or less "inherited" this mod from hr_oskar, and I don't quite understand everything that he included. I presume it is the middle ages Basillica because it is available to be built from the beginning of the game, but I could be wrong, as he had Magna Carta in the middle of the tech tree.
 
Several wonders I've mentioned before, and will bring them up again...

Doge's Palace in Venice
Althing (Magna Carta effect replacement?)
Royal Naval Yard (National Wonder giving exp to Naval units built in city)
The Cinque Ports (Naval wonder giving extra exp to naval units built in same continent, requires Dockyard)
Oracle - National wonder, requires Pagan religion. Effects? Represents many oracular sites of Paganism. National wonder to represent local nature of Pagan worship. Would not have same effect as the Civ IV vanilla game's wonder, of course.

I haven't time to go through the list of wonders, yet, but will within a day or so.
 
Hmm... If I think hard enough, I'll probably come up with a couple of new wonders. Zvartnots is going in right?
 
These lists are just a few of the changes I think would be benificial.

Wonders I plan on removing completely:
Leaning Tower
Venetian Arsenal (to be replaced with a similar building)
Magna Carta

Wonders that need new requirements or effects:
Dome of the Rock
Al-Aqsa Mosque

Wonders that need a name change:
White Tower
Church of the Holy Wisdom
 
The Welsh city list... forgive me any mistakes as I'm unfamiliar with the area. Current capital is Cardiff, but if anyone knows historical capital when it was united and free (around 1100, I believe) then let me know. Or even the capitals of the subkingdoms from an earlier fractured time...


Spoiler :


<Cities>
<City>Cardiff</City>
<City>Mynyw</City>
<City>Ceredigion</City>
<City>Llan Daff</City>
<City>Dinefwr</City>
<City>Lan Elwy</City>
<City>Aberffraw</City>
<City>Conwy</City>
<City>Aberconwy</City>
<City>Ty Mawr</City>
<City>Erddig</City>
<City>Chirk</City>
<City>Llywlyn</City>
<City>Plas yn Rhiw</City>
<City>Penrhyn</City>
<City>Bodnant</City>
<City>Llanerchaeron</City>
<City>Cilgerran</City>
<City>Colby</City>
<City>Rhossili</City>
<City>Aberdulais</City>
<City>Skenfrith</City>
<City>Caermarthen</City>
<City>Aberystwyth</City>
<City>Rhyl</City>
<City>Bangor</City>
<City>Llandudno</City>
<City>Caerleon</City>
<City>Llanddew</City>
<City>Brecon</City>
<City>Strata Florida</City>
<City>Llandew</City>
<City>Tynwyn</City>
<City>Caernarfon</City>
<City>Llanfair</City>
<City>Nefyn</City>
<City>Abergavenny</City>
</Cities>


 
Turks: No cities here, all they did was conquer from others anyway.;)


Dude, you used to be the most reasonable Armenian I knew, and quite knowledgeable. I understand your urge for Turk-bashing, but at least do it sensibly (i.e. with some research). Just as you would get annoyed when some uneducated Turkish nationalists claim Armenians never had independent kingdoms, your statement is annoyingly and blindly offensive.


From the top of my head, Urimchi (Urumqi), Kasghar, Yarkent, Beshbalik (Besbaliq), Semerkand, Kargalik, Tashkurgan, Tashkent, and possibly Buhara (Bukhara) and Merv (but these last two might count as Persian as well, Turks and Persians did not have a clear-cut cultural border on the central asia side) were some of the historical cities. If you need more, I advise you grab city names of today from Turkestan, as most of these were historical cities on the silk road. (Turkestan is the region including Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kirghizistan, Turkmenistan, and Sinkiang-Uigur province of China).

Of course from a different point of view, with your map and start date, you shouldn't even have Turks in the game (not simultaneously with Tatars at least). For more than half of your timeline, the only Turkic peoples in your map is Tatars, northeast corner of your map.
 
about wonders...

Aren't you going to have Temple of Artemis, The Mausoleum, Pyramids ? (i.e. those among the classical wonders that were still standing in your timeframe)

For the assassin stronghold, here are some suggestions:
1- You can view any foreign city (or limit to capitals for game balance)
2- A significant chance every turn to kill a great leader from a civ you have contact with
3- 1 unhappiness in all other cities (or just in capitals)
 
Wonders that need new requirements or effects:
Dome of the Rock
Al-Aqsa Mosque

Dome of the Rock is Mesjid-al-Aqsa (Firaxis mistakenly used its picture for Masjid al-Haram)


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Why do you have Umayyad Mosque instead of Masjid al-Haram as the Islamic holy wonder?
It is "the" Islamic holy place, it is the place from where Islam propagated, neither the Dome of Rock as Firaxis depicts, nor Umayyad Mosque as you suggest.
 
The House of Wisdom (Bayt-al Hikma) at Baghdad would be a much better wonder than Al Azhar University. For the time period you suggest, it was the largest collection of knowledge in the world, in terms of both books and scholars. From ninth to thirteenth centuries, scholars from Europe and Asia travelled to the House of Wisdom, which contained the translations of ancient Greek and Persian scripts. It was destroyed by Mongol invasion, when "Tigris ran black with ink of countless books thrown in".

Its effect would be related to research.

edit:
Or of course you can put The Great Library in Baghdad, and that would nicely stand for the House of Wisdom.
 
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