Evidence of me cheating

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EyesOfNight

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Recently today The Shrew and Tact found files of me cheating. ALl this can be found on the other thread. I have evidence though that either the Shrew or Tact, or both of them, doctored the save to make it look like I cheated.

1. How it works

About 4 years ago, when there was only classic civ, a programmer identified the hex code that turned off the cheat flag (the Red message that says "CHEAT MODE"). By using this simple program you can remove the cheat flag thus you are able to cheat without evidence. However, this was designed for .sav files, not .net. To do it in civ MPGE first save a multiplayer game. The format is currently in .net. Next go on the main menu and load the game as a .sav file. Now you can enable the cheat mode. Do all the editing that you want, create units, change gold, change city size, what not. Next, use the program to remove the cheat flag. Whola! You have a doctored game without evidence. Now for the finishing touches. Load the game as a multiplayer file and change the production back to 2x2x, save the game again so it is now in .net. Now you understand how the files came to be that are against me.

2. In game cheating

One of the flaws in the logic of my accusers is that they say I did this IN GAME. That means all cheating went on in the game. Besides being blatantly obvious, which only a complete moron would do, units have appeared out of thin air, city sizes increased in 1 turn and production occured that should not. There is NO WAY to do this kind of cheating in game. You can't hex edit it because you are not changing values. That only works for changing gold or something with a specific value. The only way to do this is to enable the cheat mode. Now you might say I probably enabled the cheat mode in the game. HOwever, to do this I would have to located the hex value that turns it on and off. I am not sure this is even possible, I have never heard of it. A serious flaw in their logic born of ignorance.

3. Evidence of doctoring

No matter what you do, you're going to leave something behind. In this case alot was left behind. Load the files in question as .sav. The first thing you should notice is that it goes straight to the Germans, you don't get a chance to choose your civ. This is because the cheat mode had already once been enabled and when you save it again as .sav the computer automatically sets the civ you are as the default player. The next evidence is the fact that all the units are on the "go" command. THat means that the computer had a chance to move them and the AI took over. Next is the killer. When you start the game as .net (or a multiplayer game), when you first start it comes up saying "The germans of knowledge of warriorcode, horsebackriding, roads, etc." THAT NEVER HAPPENS IN AN MP GAME UNLESS IT'S BEEN TAMPERED WITH IN THIS FASHION!!! Try it yourself and run a few experiemtns and you will see. Next is the fact that they didn't change the movement and production back to 2x2x, instead it's still on 1x1x production!!! Exactly as I explained up there!!!

NOW WHICH ONE OF YOU DID IT? WAS IT BOTH OF YOU OR WAS IT JUST TACT OR WAS IT JUST YOU SHREW?
 
My findings are based on two autosav files I have...to be exact, they're called...Mo_auto.net, and mo_auto2.net, and the cheat mode toggle is an available option, whether you had cheated already or were going to is regardless, the toggle cheat option should not have been available
 
The Shrew 5/15/200 8:57 PM you got even more tarnished, and me and tact
paid for our crime..

EyesOfNigh 5/15/200 9:04 PM http://forums.civfanatics.com/Forum3/HTML/0002
1.html

EyesOfNigh 5/15/200 9:14 PM So which one of you was it?

The Shrew 5/15/200 9:15 PM figure it out by yourself. we have nothing to
do with you from this moment forward

EyesOfNigh 5/15/200 9:21 PM I TOLD YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHO YOU WERE DEALING
WITH!! YOU'RE A NOBODY!! YOU'RE NOTHING
COMPARED TO ME!!! HAHAHAHA!!! APOLYTON IS
GOING TO LOVE THIS!!!

The Shrew 5/15/200 9:22 PM
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enjoy your freedom while you can.. this
time im doing it proffessionally

EyesOfNigh 5/15/200 9:22 PM I'll always know.

The Shrew 5/15/200 9:23 PM not if your not informed. enjoy.

EyesOfNigh 5/15/200 9:23 PM You'll have to come back under another name.

The Shrew 5/15/200 9:23 PM nope. i plan on staying the same name.

EyesOfNigh 5/15/200 9:24 PM Well they're not going to believe anything from you again.

I look forward to it shrew. You'll never best me. I know more about this game than you could ever know. There is nothing you could ever do that would get past me.
 
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