Exploration

[MOTH]

"Where to settle" should be a different thread.

This particulair food-low start requires a good location for a 2nd city. That is best done by land. So I opt warrior - curragh - curragh - warrior (MP)

This is not a low food start. Its a medium food start. Even so, as Sea Faring it would be best if we can get a good coastal location for city #2. I think getting curragh-warrior-curragh would be best to scout additional coastal locations as soon as soon as possible.

 

[donsig]

How fast will we have another settler? If it's not going to be very soon then why build a warrior first to scout the land?

What's a curragh?

 

[MOTH]

I will be providing deeper analysis this afternoon, but here is some rough ideas on when we grow in population assuming that we irrigate both Wines and do not have a Granary. The number in parentheses after the turn is the turn if we settle in place with only one bonus food (wine).

Turn 8(7): Size 2
Turn 14(14): Size 3
Turn 19(21): Size 4
Turn 24(28): Size 5
Turn 29(35): Size 6
Turn 34(42): Full food bin.

The earliest I would consider building a settler would be on turn 20(22). By this point we can be size 4 reduced to size 2 with settler. I'm not sure how the shields work out to this point.

A curragh is a small rowed boat. Animal skin over a wooden frame. They were introduced in C3C. They have 2 movement, but our sea-faring trait gives them +1 for 3 moves total. I don't know the cost as I don't own C3C, but I would expect it is 20 shields.

 

[TimBentley]

A curragh costs 15 shields. I'm uncertain whether curragh-warrior-curragh or warrior-curragh-curragh would be better.

 

[DaveShack]

I thought this was a thread about exploraation but it's turned into a discussion of what to build.

Warrior (explore) / Curragh / Warrior (explore->escort->explore) / Settler / Curragh / Warrior (MP)

We won't need MP until size 4, but do need to be defended in case an AI warrior shows up.

On the original topic of this thread, given this start position we should aim for 2 warriors and 2 curraghs for exploration. Go both ways around the coast with boats, and explore by land NW and NE (after an initial move straight north). Making as many contacts as far apart as possible is critical, to give us leverage in trading techs. A first warrior move of straight north should also reveal the most likely 2nd city location.

 

[Silver_mist]

would building a curragh not give us a quicker idea of the map were on and hence overall long term plans? so buidling curraghs makes more sense intially

 

[DaveShack]

Since curraghs have a movement advantage, building a warrior first gives us a 5 turn or so head start on exploring the interior, which will take longer anyway. Also we can directly use the land a warrior discovers by moving N, while the curragh will need to go several turns before having a chance to find another civ, which is its primary purpose.

 

[MOTH]

Curragh first will allow us to quickly scout for good coastal locations for our next cities. We will have a warrior out to scout well before the settler is ready.

 

[Ginger_Ale]

Please make these comments in the build queues thread...

 

[Provolution]

I second DS here, we need to move Northwards first with a warrior, and back up that initial probe with circling the coastal tiles for maximal usage of our scouts.

 

[MOTH]

Discussion seems to be 2 to 1 in favor of warrior first. I will argue no more. If anyone else feels strongly about curragh or warrior first then they should speak up fast.

 

[Provolution]

I would go for warrior, warrior, curraugh and settler, since we only need to sail one side until we know we are on an island or a continent of sorts. We need to run the warrior through the center, and leave coastal zones to the curraugh to catch up. After the first settler, we can decide on a new curraugh or a new warrior as the first settler should be defended by the second warrior.

 

[GoodGame]

I favor mixed exploration, alternating warriors with curraughs untill we see an opposing unit or something. I'd cap the number of curraughs at three (2 would probably be plenty for a couple 100 years).

 

[Provolution]

Since we are in the Southwest end, we need to explore EAST. so warrior should go to the mountain and NE, and the Curraugh should go SE and E.

 

[Ginger_Ale]

Myself, the governor, has decided on warrior -> curragh -> warrior. I hope this is ok for everyone, it seems to be the majority. I will *NOT* poll it unless there is an overwhelming desire to, as it seems most people want a warrior followed by a curragh. Please post in the governor's thread if you have any special things to say, or you want my response quicker (these threads have TONS of overlap with each other).

 

[Provolution]

I agree with your choice Governor Ginger Ale.

 

[GenMarshall]

The Commander also agrees with the governor's queues .

 

[CoolioVonHoolio]

warrior, curragh, warrior sounds good.... i think the curragh should go east, and one warrior north and the other one n/e