FA: Peace with Zulus

[Nobody]

Recently our armed forces were involved in a small spat with the zulu military. The whole affair was quite horriable, we lost a few troops, they lost a lot and we also captured one of their citys Tugela and its sorrounding Diamonds. So now its time to discuss bring a end to this untimely affair.

Heres the options-

1. Make peace now and return Tugela.
2. Make peace now keep Tugela plus 77gold, 14 gpt and there world map..
3. Take the cities of Mpondo and Isandhlwana and then make peace.
4. Fight on to Final victory.
5. Other (explain)
6. Abstain

The FAmily is in favor of option 2. Make the peace but we keep Tugela. And they pay us 77 gold plus 14 gpt and there world map as reperations.

This poll will be open for 48 hours.

 

[blackheart]

I want to cap Mpondo, sue for peace, then give back all captured cities.

 

[Ashburnham]

If there were a way to take the gold and map and also give back Tugela I would take it. As it is, I can't condone our troops fighting and dying honorably and get nothing from it.


But wait! There is a way. We can take option 2 now and preserve our honor. Then, we can give them Tugela back as a gift. This has the added benefit of improving relations with the Zulu by giving them a pretty major gift. Let's take the higher path! Preserve our military's honor, gain tribute for our treasury, and befriend the Zulu all in one fell swoop.

 

[Nobody]

befriend the Zulu all in one fell swoop

they will never become our freinds

 

[Ashburnham]

We don't know that, Nobody. Of course during a war they're not going to be very friendly, but we have no idea how they'll act once the war is over. Rome hates us because we took their land. the Iroqouis hate us because we took their land. How do you think the Zulu will feel if we keep Tugela? I say we take the gold they offer and give them Tugela back in a seperate deal. All parties get something they want, and all benefit.

 

[Chieftess]

We don't know that, Nobody. Of course during a war they're not going to be very friendly, but we have no idea how they'll act once the war is over. Rome hates us because we took their land. the Iroqouis hate us because we took their land. How do you think the Zulu will feel if we keep Tugela? I say we take the gold they offer and give them Tugela back in a seperate deal. All parties get something they want, and all benefit.

The AI doesn't care about cities... You can't trade things FOR a city. What are we going for? Diplo, or Histographic?

 

[Ashburnham]

I'm not saying we trade anying for Tugela. I'm saying we should gift it to them. Nobody says the Zulu will offer 77 gold, 14 gpt, and World Map for peace. I say we take that, thus ending the war. However, after accepting that peace, we give them Tugela back in a seperate deal. Thus, we get gold, the Zulu get their city back, and we can all be friends again.


And, Nobody, to use your words against you...

From what iv seen playing civ, once you take a enemy city there is almost no way to make it up. They will always be furious, and we can't deal with furious people who wont see reason. Rome only got on the list for trade embargoing us. I have no probems with china, some people do so i put them on the list to give them a chance to speak.

from Foreign Ministry: Rouge States

All the more reason to give the Zulu their city back.

 

[Sir Donald III]

And yet... We took Nihilion (formerly Eridu) from the Babylonians and 6 Workers, and all they got was Annoyed. We recently gave back their 6 Workers, and they became Polite.

While Tugela is contiguous and represented the ONLY threat to our Diamond Monopoly, I doubt that it would engender that much of a "slight".

 

[Nobody]

i think i should of left this to discussion longer. oh well its on a poll now. By the way if you vote other state what it is (like you guys have done so far ) if at the end lots say other but they mean option two with a return of the city. i will then make the peace for the gold then re poll if we should hand over the city.

 

[blackheart]

We don't know that, Nobody. Of course during a war they're not going to be very friendly, but we have no idea how they'll act once the war is over. Rome hates us because we took their land. the Iroqouis hate us because we took their land. How do you think the Zulu will feel if we keep Tugela? I say we take the gold they offer and give them Tugela back in a seperate deal. All parties get something they want, and all benefit.

Good idea, but I would rather we also take Mpondo and do the same thing before ending the war. I want to ensure that we get that iron for an iron city.

 

[Nobody]

don't we have lots of iron?

 

[Ashburnham]

Looks like the gold peace deal has gained the upper hand. Regardless, I plan to push for returning Tugela to the Zulu after this peace is signed. Returning the city will greatly improve our relations with the Zulu, without negatively affecting us in any way. It's win-win. It's also the honorable thing to do (man, has that phrase been used a lot recently).

 

[Nobody]

i might play a game, then take a city, and try to fix the relationship by giving it back, i dont think it will but if it worked with the babylon maybe it will. Oh well on with the poll

 

[Provolution]

don't we have lots of iron?

We sure got lotsa irony

 

[Provolution]

Nobody, it was worker repatriation, no city giving back.

 

[Nobody]

the poll is over, Now i will make the peace.

 

[Provolution]

Good Peace, per Doctrine.

 

[Nobody]

nooooo, im a tool of the doctrine