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Setting record straight on famous (mis)quotes
‘Book of Quotations’ takes humbug out of history's best lines
Updated: 10:30 a.m. CT Oct 26, 2006

LOS ANGELES - Showman P.T. Barnum never said “There’s a sucker born every minute” although he wished he had. And Civil War Admiral David Farragut probably never said “Damn the Torpedoes! Full Speed Ahead” — words that have inspired generations of fighting men.

To make things even more complicated, it is doubtful that Paul Revere warned that “The British are coming” when he would have at the time of the American Revolution thought himself British, although a revolting one. He probably would have said “The Redcoats are coming.”

A new, meticulously researched book of quotations attempts to set the record straight on those beloved phrases that have crept into everyday use as signs of wisdom and wit, including Sigmund Freud’s sage advice that “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.” (He didn’t quite say that, although his biographer thinks he would have approved of the idea.)

“The Yale Book of Quotations” has a simple thesis: famous quotes are often misquoted and misattributed. Sometimes they are never said at all but are, instead, little fictions that have forged their way into public consciousness.

Take, for example, “Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead,” a rallying cry supposedly uttered by Farragut during the American Civil War battle of Mobile Bay on Aug. 5, 1864.

According to Fred R. Shapiro, a Yale librarian and editor of “The Yale Book of Quotations,” it was a comment either never said or at least never heard on the day of battle. The first appearance of a partial version of the phrase came in a book published in 1878 but reports from the day of the battle never mention the phrase.

No cigar
It can get “curiouser and curiouser,” to quote something Lewis Carroll actually did write. Gen. William T. Sherman did not quite say “War is hell” but those were words uttered by Napoleon Bonaparte.

Sherman’s version was a wee bit longer: “There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but boys it is all hell.” Close, but no cigar, as Groucho Marx might have said on his quiz show when someone failed to guess the color of an orange correctly.

Showman Barnum admitted during his lifetime that he never said “There’s a sucker born every minute,” although he thought he may have said, “The people like to be humbugged,” a less than ringing phrase.

According to research by Shapiro, the “sucker” phrase was probably uttered by a notorious con man named “Paper Collar Joe” and attributed to Barnum by a rival showman, who wanted to make him look bad.

To find out who said what and when they did it, Shapiro spent six years poring over hundreds and hundreds of databases, using advanced Internet searches as well as using the more old-fashioned methods of going through microfilms, dusty bookshelves and reading the 1,000 or so other quotation books that are out there to find out the truth.

For example, he went through all of Mae West’s pre-1967 movies to find out when she delivered one of her great sexual double entendres — “Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me.” He said the line was not in any of her movies, including the one her fans swear it was in, “She Done Him Wrong.”

Instead, according to Shapiro, West used it to greet a policeman assigned to escort her. As she once said of herself, “I used to be Snow White, but I drifted.”

The result, after six years of research, is a 1,067-page quotations book with footnotes that are as fascinating to read as the quotes themselves.

Shapiro said he also had another goal: to represent popular culture in a quotations book, including advertising jingles and lines from popular songs and movies.

As a result, he is able to get in print a couple of famous quotes from Marion Barry, the former mayor of Washington D.C.: “outside of the killing (Washington, D.C.) has one of the lowest crime rates in the country” and “<expletive deleted> set me up,” a comment he made when police arrested him for smoking crack cocaine.

Not quite the lofty Shakespeare-style of previous quotations books. But the Bard is in the Yale book as well with 455 citations, the most of any author.

I can think of a couple more. Numerous people have been attributed to saying "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones", but some of them lived before glass houses/windows even existed. Star Trek's "Beam me up, Scotty" was never said (but there was a couple times where they said something close to it).

Feel free to post anymore that you know of.
 
Not once in any of Conan Doyle's books does Holmes say Elementary my dear Watson
 
I've always felt sorry for the poor, maligned King Cnut, who had himself carried to the shore to prove to his advisors that he couldn't stop the waves.
 
"Play it Again Sam". We get "Play it Sam", "Again, Sam" and any number of variations, but never "Play it Again Sam".
 
I'd never heard of the torpedoes quote or the one about the British, although to me, "the redcoats are coming" means something entirely different which I won't describe here.

The one that comes to my mind is the exchange between Napoleon and Laplace after Laplace gave Napoleon a set of his works. Napoleon asked what role God played in Laplace's system, and the scientist replied, "I have no need of that hypothesis." In fact this exchange never took place. What really happened is that Napoleon looked at the enormous pile of volumes and promised to read them all in the first spare minute he had. Then he asked Laplace if he wanted to come to dinner the next day, as he had nothing better to do!

There's also Haldane's famous saying that the one thing he could deduce about God from his studies of biology was that he has "an inordinate fondness for beetles". It's not certain if he ever really said this, and if he did, when and to whom.
 
privatehudson said:
Not once in any of Conan Doyle's books does Holmes say Elementary my dear Watson

Or "Quick Watson, the needle!"
 
Plotinus said:
I'd never heard of the torpedoes quote or the one about the British, although to me, "the redcoats are coming" means something entirely different

I know what you mean, Butlins!:p
 
You'll often see this quote attributed to Winston Churchill-

"I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using gases against uncivilised tribes."


Here's the full quote, which demostrates that he was referring to non-lethal use similar to modern riot control methods-


"I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected."
 
Voltaire never said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" that's actually a quote by Evelyn Beatrice Hall (writing as Stephen G. Tallentyre) in a book about Voltaire.

George Washington never said "So help me God" after taking the Oath of Office (the first account which states he did didn't appear until 1854).
 
GinandTonic said:
"Play it Again Sam". We get "Play it Sam", "Again, Sam" and any number of variations, but never "Play it Again Sam".
Thats the first that came to my mind too!

To add one of my own: Descartes never said "Cogito, ergo sum".
 
Finmaster said:
Thats the first that came to my mind too!

To add one of my own: Descartes never said "Cogito, ergo sum".

Having studied Descartes this surprises me.

It may go some way to explaining why I failed the exam though...
 
GinandTonic said:
Having studied Descartes this surprises me.

It may go some way to explaining why I failed the exam though...
Well, my source for this is my philosophy professor, so I don't know exactly how trustworthy source that is but I trust him as he seems like an intelligent man.

Anyway, it seems like the phrase was born as Descartes's followers wanted to shorten his point a little. Get a cool catchphrase you know. Of course the credit for this went to Renee himself, as it was his point that was being told with these words.
 
Actually, Cogito ergo sum appears in the Latin translation of Descartes' Discourse on method. The French original is of course Je pense, donc je suis. So I suppose that, technically speaking, he didn't say it - but on the other hand it's a direct translation of what he did say, and furthermore it's a translation that he authorised himself, so I'd say it would be pretty pedantic to argue that he didn't say it.
 
"The age chivalry is dead"(Chivalry is dead)

is really

"The age of chivalry is gone" - Edmund Burke (Chivalry is gone)
 
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