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wanted to start a thread about famous words from historic figures..

so hears number one:P

Emperor Constatine XI
"God forbid that i should live an emperor with out an empire! As my city falls, I will fall with it!" last words of the last eastern roman empire, before charging into the turks flooding the city gates.
 
The people think of wealth and power as the greatest fate,
But in this world a spell of health is the best state.
What men call sovereignty is a worldly strife and constant war;
Worship of God is the highest throne, the happiest of all estates

Suleiman the Magnificent
 
I'll rather betray the world then let the world betray me.

Cao Cao, Three Kingdoms Era warlord. :mwaha:
 
Never been able to establish if this is genuine or not, but its certainly well in character.

Message from Sir Arthur Wellesley, Earl of Wellington, to the British
Foreign Office in London, written in Spain, August 1812

Gentlemen,

Whilst marching from Portugal to a position, which commands the approach
to Madrid and the French forces, my officers have been diligently
complying with your requests, which have been sent by H.M. ship from
London to Lisbon and thence by dispatch to our headquarters.

We have enumerated our saddles, bridles, tents and tent poles, and all
manner of sundry items for which His Majesty's Government holds me
accountable. I have dispatched reports on the character, wit, and spleen
of every officer. Each item and every farthing has been accounted for,
with two regrettable exceptions for which I beg your indulgence.
Unfortunately the sum of one shilling and nine pence remains unaccounted
for in one infantry battalion's petty cash and there has been a hideous
confusion as the number of jars of raspberry jam issued to one cavalry
regiment during a sandstorm in western Spain. This reprehensible
carelessness may be related to the pressure of circumstance, since we are
war with France, a fact which may come as a bit of a surprise to you
gentlemen in Whitehall.

This brings me to my present purpose, which is to request elucidation of
my instructions from His Majesty's Government so that I may better
understand why I am dragging an army over these barren plains. I construe
that perforce it must be one of two alternative duties, as given below. I
shall pursue either one with the best of my ability, but I cannot do both:

1. To train an army of uniformed British clerks in Spain for the benefit
of the accountants and copy-boys in London or perchance.

2. To see to it that the forces of Napoleon are driven out of Spain.

Your most obedient servant,

Wellington

:D
 
Government employees have been complaining about targets and accountability imposed by Whitehall for a long time, although I have to say, on the basis of some of the language, I don't think that letter can be genuine. Snopes isn't sure.
 
"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old."

Sir Winston Churchill, my favourite historical person.

"Nun, Volk, steh auf und Sturm brich los!"

Joseph Goebbels, among the least favourite yet I was never able to forget that quote. Especially the thundering aplause that followed it, same goes for

"Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?"

by Hitler.

"Gnade der späten Geburt"

Helmut Kohl, indeed.
 
"We Mongols believe in one God, by Whom we live and Whom we die and toward Him we have an upright heart. Just as God gave different fingers to the hand so has He given different ways to men."

Mongke Khan, lecturing William of Rubruck on religious tolerance, c.1255.
 
Sir Winston Churchill, my favourite historical person.

Yes, the same Churchill who in 1955 (some years before anti-immigration and racist rhetoric became commonplace in mainstream British politics) wanted the Conservative party to campaign on the slogan "Keep Britain White". Not my favourite historical person.
 
you are right adler, of course. it's even from the same speech as the other quote, my bad.

plotinus; different times i guess (washington is idolized and his views on woman's suffrage and "racial differences" are probably not up to todays standards). i wouldn't subscribe to winston's every view, but he is certainly the one historical figure i would love to share a cigar and a bottle of whiskey with.
 
plotinus; different times i guess (washington is idolized and his views on woman's suffrage and "racial differences" are probably not up to todays standards). i wouldn't subscribe to winston's every view, but he is certainly the one historical figure i would love to share a cigar and a bottle of whiskey with.

It was different times, but in this case it's not an excuse, because Churchill was far more racist than was normal at the time. When he proposed that slogan he was outvoted because it was far too extreme for the tastes of most people in the Conservative party. It was not until the early 1960s that views such as this would move into mainstream British politics, as with the Commonwealth Immigrants Bill of 1961. Churchill was one of the figures who helped to bring racist rhetoric into the main stream, thereby pushing both the Conservative and Labour parties further to the right. So if racism was more acceptable in those "different times" of the past, Churchill was a part-cause of this fact rather than simply an excusable "man of the times", as we might excuse Washington, whose unacceptable (by today's standards) views were I think more mainstream for his day.
 
THis may open a completely different branch to this conversation, but I am quite curious (no set opinion on the matter here - on grounds that I do not know enough) as to how Churchill would be a (partial) cause rather than a symptom.

As I understand it, while Britain was much more tolerant historically towards non-whites in Britain itself, isn't there still some (a large) element of racism against people of Colour all over Europe? Concepts like the White Man's Burden comes to mind - and I'm quite sure many white Britons in that period didn't really trust the "cheeky darkies" or whatever people of other races were called.
Just curious, though.

And to keep the train on its rails,
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey"
- Brian Johnson, West Indies vs. England test match 1976.

"It's not true I had nothing on, I had the radio on"
- Marilyn Monroe
 
"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old."

Sir Winston Churchill, my favourite historical person.
And as the thunderous applause filled the House of Commons, Churchill turned to one of his aides, and added:

"We'll be fighting them with broken beer bottles, because that's all we bloody well have!"
:D
 
Here are three. The first quite famous, the other two only known to people who are familiar with the work of their writers. ;)

"Give me somewhere to stand, and i will move the world" Archimedes

"I had thought that i should be miserable, so as to not allow joy to distract me from my work. But, in reality, misery proved to be at least an equal distraction" Kafka

"The great poet writes what he feels.
The average poet writes what he thinks he is feeling.
The bad poet writes what he thinks he should be feeling" Pessoa
 
Union Major General John Sedgwick: "I'm ashamed of you, dodging that way. They couldn't hit an elephant..."
 
Will9 said:
Union Major General John Sedgwick: "I'm ashamed of you, dodging that way. They couldn't hit an elephant..."
"... at this distance." He was shot in the eye moments later.

"I don't care what you use or how you use it; just sink the Bismarck!"
- Sir Winston Churchill​

"There is no greater pleasure of mine than to defeat my enemy on the field of battle, loot his crops, ride his horse, burn his house, carry off his women, hear their lamentations, and leave no eye open to weep for the dead."
- Genghis Khan
It's in somebody's sig, too.​

And my all-time favourite:

"Prince! There will be many Princes, but only one Beethoven!"
- Ludwig van Beethoven​
More to come...
 
"Upon this, one has to remark that men ought either to be well treated or crushed, because they can avenge themselves of lighter injuries, of more serious ones they cannot; therefore the injury that is to be done to a man ought to be of such a kind that one does not stand in fear of revenge."

Machiavelli
 
Yes, the same Churchill who in 1955 (some years before anti-immigration and racist rhetoric became commonplace in mainstream British politics) wanted the Conservative party to campaign on the slogan "Keep Britain White". Not my favourite historical person.
And he wanted to gas the Kurds. Don't forget gassing the Kurds. That's important.

"You can't conquer an idea with an army." - Thomas Paine
"I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves." - Che Guevara
"It's better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!" - Emiliano Zapata
Propaganda-ish as they sound, they all express ideas that I agree with.
 
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