Fantasy/Alternate history unit request: Roman Grenadier

both @ civscale next to each other
 
Wyrmshadow said:
Or how about this one from the Marine description?
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\I PMed Kinboat about; I'd like to see what props he can provide for such a unit (as I'm quite the admirer of his papaer doll figure) your model is quite good, but far too flashy for my taste; look sliek somthing out of the Napoleonic war, which wwhile others may like, is too obsolete for my likeing.

please dont be offended; your props are great, and I much appreciate the effort your going through to make my idea coem to like at your expense of time, and I thank you for it :) I woudl lik eto see what kinboat might design for such a project though (because, and its rather greedy fo me, in a perfect world, both units would be made at the same time, by different people, so that we coudl have both at about the same time ;))
 
I like the first two a lot! Not so keen on the third.

Is there any chance of having him wear high boots, rather than shoes and black shinpads? Probably doesn't make much difference at Civ-scale, though, to be honest.
 
crap/ looks liek I'll need to re-upload them; hand on, I'll do it right now
 
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heres the first one, my base conceot; very little armor (it isnt hugelly practicle to have wyrmshadows Roman knight running around, even if it may look spiffy) the helmet is a fancy one, but no real head crest, just a ridge to capture the flavor, and the greaves are mostlly ceremonial; I designed this guy based on Scottish High Lander, and Union A-C-W era officers, and greaves were a tradional badge of being an officer for Roman, and usually only the higher ups, and better paid men at arms in the middle ages coudl afford them; making them as a good a trational symbol of rank as any

that said, on the next one, I opend it up in paint, and ocverd up the buttons; I could ensiion these guys wearing a light/medium curiass (but not so heavy that it would make an impact on mobility)

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I chose the era spanning the American Civil war, and the British Zulu wars because revlovers were in use, and to see a unit like this fire a couple rounds, and then perhaps dash in with a sword chop would be awesome ;)
 
@Plotonious, I don't have any high boots so the shin guards were the best I could manage to illustrate anything.

I made those previews from the picture Plotonious drew, not really from Xen's description. Infact I lack the body model to do Xen's greatcoat idea. But I do have a boatload of other parts as I wrote above in the edited posts.

BTW, a cuirass could stop a musketball, but I doubt it would work against a Minie ball.
 
Wyrmshadow said:
Infact I lack the body model to do Xen's greatcoat idea. But I do have a boatload of other parts as I wrote above in the edited posts.
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:undecide: mabey if we ask Kiniboat nicelly, he'll whip somthing up for us

BTW, a cuirass could stop a musketball, but I doubt it would work against a Minie ball.
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personally, I see them being useful for fighting zulu spears, mounted swordsmen and light lancers, and other people wielding swords, and hand weapons; not necissarilly to be used as gun protection; but somthing to prepare for the events in which hand weapons are ones concern, and not guns
 
Kal-el said:
definitely just for show at that stage but so are the grieves. I would think it would probably be made out of cured leather, died and gilded, and only for officers.
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well, not really; body armour was a standard affair for cavalry men in the Franco-Prussian war (1870-1871) and that was around 6 years post American Civil war; body armour still had its place; it came back in limited numbers for specialty troops in WW1 even, and obviouslly has successors today; its just how major an application its warrented, which is based on how battlefeild tactics go; since the mainland european nations kept it, it slogical that if Rome were amoung them (lets say it has the territory it had during the reing of Romulus Augstulus, which dosent alter too much the territory fo the major european power, except austria dosent exist and hungary is confined to one sid eof the danube and what not) its logical to say that the Romans woulf find having it useful in contenental warfare, and, if they had territories in the new world, in Africa, or were playing the great game with Britian and Russia in central Asia, woudl find having it useful in those areas as well, where guns in enemy armies were often in the minorty
 
yeah, your probably right. though there was a long period where weapons technology outpaced armor tech to the point where it was obsolete. Part of that comes from the soldier as cannon fodder mentality that came with nationalism.
 
Xen wrote:
personally, I see them being useful for fighting zulu spears, mounted swordsmen and light lancers, and other people wielding swords, and hand weapons; not necissarilly to be used as gun protection; but somthing to prepare for the events in which hand weapons are ones concern, and not guns
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Xen, I hate to burst your bubble, but a steel Lorica would be of tremendous value in the Roman Napoleonic era. As the muskets of the era did not have the muzzle velocity to penetrate a Steel Lorica. So the troops would take proportionately lower casualties than their unarmored foes. And I do not see the Romans giving up on the Lorica till the Advent of rifled firearms, as THAT was when gunfire began to penetrate steel of the thickness of the Lorica.

One of the reasons the European armies went away from armor is it is cheaper to recruit peasants and drill them than to train a professional armored army, such as what I think the Romans would have raised. As they, till the funds ran out, relied on a professionally trained army. The Roman Napoleonic era army would be smaller than their enemies, but have a much greater leathiality and survivability than their foes.

So in summation ;) The steel Lorica in my opinion would HAVE been part of a professional Roman Napoleonic era army. :D


:nuke: Cheers Thorgrimm :nuke:
 
Thorgrimm said:
Xen wrote:


Xen, I hate to burst your bubble, but a steel Lorica would be of tremendous value in the Roman Napoleonic era.
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thats the thing my idea ISNT FROM THE NAPOLEONIC ERA!
:p

its from the time of the U.S civil war and the British Zulu wars.

if you want Napoleon (and it woudl indeed be amusing if he was a Roman general, wouldnt it ;)) talk to Plotonis, not me ;)
 
You're BOTH right but sofar no one else has stepped up to try this.

How about a Roman Dragoon? I just replaced a few things from my Polish Cav.
 
Xen said:
thats the thing my idea ISNT FROM THE NAPOLEONIC ERA!
:p

its from the time of the U.S civil war and the British Zulu wars.

if you want Napoleon (and it woudl indeed be amusing if he was a Roman general, wouldnt it ;)) talk to Plotonis, not me ;)
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Ah, but Xen the title of the thread is Roman GRENADIER, which makes 95% of most folks think of the Napoleonic era. you know Old Guard, Young Guard, Grenadiers a Pied, Chasseurs a Cheval ;). So maybe you should open a thread and request a middle industrial Roman infantry. :D



:nuke: Cheers Thorgrimm :nuke:
 
Im going to try and do your version now Xen. Officer or trooper?
 
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