Mustakrakish
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Toronto and Carthage are my buddies.
Valletta: Allows the suzerain to consume faith to purchase urban centers and military buildings in your city. Reduces faith prices.
This is my favorite - I love founding a new city and immediately buying monument, granary, water mill with just faith.
It is one Eureka. If you keep Suzerain is at most what 5 over the course of an entire game? And the likelihood that its lands on a tech that you were get the Eureka for anyways? Pretty darn high. The only suzerain bonus weaker than 1 Eureka per era is Jerusalem. You will have better places to put your envoys.Hmmm... So far I think I'm the only person to have mentioned Kabul, which I think is kind of weird since 2x experience is quite good.
I don't think anyone mentioned Preslav; their bonus is +5 str for light and heavy cavalry on hills, but that seems rather specific, and probably not very great.
No mention of Lisbon either, though I think that has more to do with AI not taking the sea very seriously and sea barbs being rather rare.
I was somewhat expecting folks to mention Seoul or Vilnius. It's not as crazy as Civ5 Poland, but free random Eureka or Inspiration per era seems like a pretty nice deal.
Seoul or Vilnius only sound nice on paper, in practice they're really weak. Getting a free boost per era is for one quite hard to time since it requires you to be the suzerain the exact second you advance to the next era, so if there's competition over the city state (I.E: you and another civ keep trading suzerain status of it), then it literally only matters in those key moments. Being suzerain of the city state at any other point gives nothingI was somewhat expecting folks to mention Seoul or Vilnius. It's not as crazy as Civ5 Poland, but free random Eureka or Inspiration per era seems like a pretty nice deal.
3-4 turns of teching equals 20-27 turns of Geneva suzerain bonus. That's not nothing.More importantly though, getting a free eureka or inspiration really isn't very impressive. That's like what, 3-4 turns worth of science/culture on standard speed? That's basically nothing.
Difference is Geneva's 15% science increase is to the part of every tech which you have to actually research manually every time, whereas Seoul's is just the Eureka which you could be getting anyway. And also Geneva's is consistently good every single turn you have it whereas Seoul's is only useful for a split second where you just have to hope that no one else comes in and steals it just when you're about to hit the next era. That, combined with the randomness of what you actually get boosted makes it rather inconsistent. Though I don't think you should be comparing it directly to Geneva in the first place since there are even better city states out there you could be sending your envoys to over either of these3-4 turns of teching equals 20-27 turns of Geneva suzerain bonus. That's not nothing.
It's only good every single turn you are at peace. This would depend on your playstyle, but for me this pretty much means no Geneva bonus in the BC years. In the meantime Seoul could have earned me 4 random eurekas. Sure they are random, they might have been useful, or not. But from a quick glance at the tech tree I'd say in most eras 1/2 to 2/3 of the eurekas require me to do something I usually only do for the sake of the eureka, if I do it at all (not counting the techs whose eureka I usually have completed before entering the era). So most likely there will have been some benefit from the suzerain bonus. A lot of other city states would have been completely useless during this time.And also Geneva's is consistently good every single turn you have it
Industrial city state bonus seems to apply to industrial zones under construction but this does not seem to be true for other districts.
i.e. I start an industrial zone but have not completed it and instead start some other district. In the screen capture below I have +5 production towards buildings from an uncompleted industrial zone. I think this is form being suzerain of Brussels and Toronto and having papal primacy while Brussels is of my religion (1.5*2+2=5). meanwhile in the second screen capture the commercial hub does not get any cs bonus although I am suzerain of Zanzibar and it's of my religion.... and I have checked to see if it's just a tool tip error for industrial zone and it seems I do get the bonus.
I be interested to hear if anyone else can confirm this behavior.
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