First immortal game that's going well for me, would like some advice

Brickbuster27

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Recently, I have been playing BNW a lot, and I feel that I've been getting better. However, too many games have gotten away from me lately, and I'm still a relative newcomer to the immortal difficulty. I hope that some more experienced members of the community and critique any mistakes that I make and that less experienced players can take what I did right (and got lucky with) and apply it to their own games. Plus, I find it interesting to read about other peoples' games, and I hope that you find enjoyment in learning about mine.

This game is on a huge map, continents plus, 12 civs, domination victory only, no barbarians. I like to call this game type "Game of Thrones" style, because "you win or you die. There is no middle ground".

I started out with Rome, since I have found that what I call "empire-building" civilizations are better suited to domination victory than pure warmongering civilizations such as Assyria or Mongolia. Plus, I really want to name a conquered city "Victus Est" The continent that I started on has a large bay in the center, and I was placed on plains and grassland, alongside a river with gold, spices, and best of all, a forested hill with deer (the importance of this tile cannot be overstated, lots of food and production allowed me to grow easily and build Stonehenge).

Brazil started out 13 tiles to the south, with a dense jungle between us. They posed the most immediate threat, as they had nowhere to expand except towards me. Carthage started about 20 tiles to the northeast, but the threat they pose is insignificant due to the fact that they have been on the losing side of a war with the Celts for half the game (It's too bad that you can't burn capitals, I would enjoy razing Carthago to the ground and salting the ground it stood upon for historical enjoyment).

All of that aside, my spawn has been very fortunate. My build order for Rome was
Monument>Scout>Scout>?granary?>?library?>Stonehenge

My social policies are
Tradition Opener>Liberty Opener>Republic>Settler>Finish Liberty

Now, I'm sure that many of you are having a meltdown over the building of Stonehenge, and the pursuit of religion in a domination only victory in general. Indeed, I normally would not waste my time with such things, but I found an early ruins with enough faith to give me a pantheon, and I used Stonehenge plus the liberty finisher to quickly found and enhance a religion.

Pantheon: Fertility Rites (10% population growth)
Founder: Tithe(1 gold per four followers, I'm going for domination so the sin of profiteering off of religion doesn't seem that big of a deal in comparison)
Follower: Religious Community (1% production increase per follower, one of the better ones because hammers = victory)
Follower: Cathedrals (Eh, pretty bad but all of the good ones were taken by this point)
Enhancer: Religious Texts (25% increase in spread rate, 50% with printing press, more followers = more money to fund world domination. It'd be a good idea to listen to your local conspiracy theorist for once)

My first militaristic step in this game was to cripple Brazil. They had already expanded once to this horrible spot (city was on a flat jungle completely encased by jungle hills with NO resources nearby, worst city location I have ever seen. ever. Of all time), and they sent a settler/warrior duo to expand further to the north, at this nice spot on the edge of the jungle with gems and gold nearby. My own settler was on the way down, but he wasn't going to make it there in time. To avoid a siege, which would have been difficult because I had no ballistae at the time, my military forces resorted to "aggressive diplomacy" and came out of the negotiations with only slight scratches and a free worker. I quickly made peace with Brazil, built walls at Antium and Rome to intimidate the Carthaginian army that was trying to get in to position to attack me (they actually went south to attack Brazil instead when they saw that they could never take Rome with their pathetic army, and went to get slaughtered in the jungle by Brazil instead). To further hurt Brazil and knock them out of the game, I conquered their horrible little town in the aftermath of the pathetic assault by Carthage, which cost me half of my army but secured both my power and my southern flank. They offered to give me their new city, Salvador on the western coast, in exchange for peace. I gladly accepted the treaty as my army did not have the strength to take Rio.

Currently, I am in a war with both Carthage and Attila (how fitting that Rome's two greatest historical enemies should team up to fight her once again in a video game), who are annihilating the Celts (poor Celts, they almost defeated Carthage, but then they remembered that their Civilization is underpowered and proceeded to lose their own capital instead). At 75 AD, my tech is on par with the rest of the world, which is a first for me on the difficulty level. However, the land army of Attila poses a grave threat to me, and while I am on my way to conquer the weak Carthaginians I know that the Scourge of Rome is just around the corner.

Now that you have suffered through my wall of text, here are some pictures to visually explain this game a little better, with my insightful commentary provided.

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The glorious Roman Empire, 75 Anno Domini.

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The remnants of Brazil, a once ambitious civilization reduced to a city-state (and soon-to-be Roman province) for no reason other than that they had the audacity to spawn in my vicinity.

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The war in the north. The Celts had almost defeated Carthage until the Huns pulled a Theon Greyjoy and captured the Edinburgh while their army was fighting those Phoenician milk drinkers. But the north remembers.

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Why hello there Dido. That's a lovely city you have there, it'd be a shame if something were to happen to it.


Thanks for reading! If you have any comments/questions, please reply. I would love to listen to your ideas on how to make the rest of the world submit to my iron will.
 
I wouldn't have gone after Brazil, certainly wouldn't have taken Salvatore. You'll need to plant cities in an eastward direction to get a forward base to continue the conquering, and that extra city will slow down your teching and divert happy and military resources toward someone who could have been your trade partner all game. He is the only other player close enough to get a capital to capital trade route.
 
I wouldn't have gone after Brazil, certainly wouldn't have taken Salvatore. You'll need to plant cities in an eastward direction to get a forward base to continue the conquering, and that extra city will slow down your teching and divert happy and military resources toward someone who could have been your trade partner all game. He is the only other player close enough to get a capital to capital trade route.

There would have been a war between us either way, he was far too close to me and he was about to expand in a very lucrative spot. I decided that it was better to fight him on my terms rather than wait until he had an army sitting right outside of Rome. As for taking Salvador...perhaps it wasn't the best idea, but the positioning of the city was decent and it has the potential to become a decent port, and that put an end to his northward expansion. As it is, he is far too weak to fight me and he is a trading partner at the moment, which is helping my economy.
 
Instead of going after that 2 pop city, any chance you can pluck the half dead Carthage from the Celts?

Make good friends with the Celts and then go fight Attila
 
A few comments;

You seem to be ready to step up to Immortal by your comments.

Your making a few mistakes that are hold overs from lower difficulty.
The first and biggest is to settle hills. Your start is crappy enough as it is with all the plains tiles, do not make it worse by settling on one of them. Antium should be on the copper.

If you are going to forward settle on the AI, do not muck around, do it aggressively. Cumae should be on the hill by the lake next to the ivory. I mean your playing a war game, get in their face and war. You settle a linker city right on the gold you settled Cumae for in the first place. Do not hesitate to settle on luxuries.

Don't waste your time on religion on Immortal unless you play a religious civ. You can do it, but not reliably enough to be a sound strategy.

Your bpt is really low. Not sure what tech path you are following. The AI tech advantage on Immortal is pretty high, most folks head up to education before going down to machinery for domination. BNW pretty much killed early domination. If you are going to run up the military tech path, you need a lot of careful planning around tech stealing and you need to get Autocracy as fast as possible. You can steal your way to parity in the modern era with Autocracy.

Lastly, Salvador is trash. It sucks now, it will suck in 200 turns. If you want a port city then Rio will do better
 
Cant say a lot about city locations cause I play with icons -) But true, usually cities on copper, gold or silver are very good for war.

First, why u opened tradition? You wanted to build HG? I know it is popular but still dont understand why. May be at start it doesnt slow liberty, but then it does.

I want to say about religion - you selected beliefs for tall civ, but you are going to conquer? You have nearly no smiles and no culture from religion. This is strange.

Why r u building National Epic? You really need it?
 
39 science at turn 118 is very low.
i would have ignored brazil for the time being, even the capital is worth taking only for the luxes.
they did not really have room to expand and would have been a worthwhile trading partner, sending caravans. Cumae might get them pissed, but it should be possible to get them friendly nontheless.

an early conquest pisses all the AIs off, resulting in no DoFs and RAs for the whole game more often than not, and all that for a city without any luxes and production, not worth it really.

your army looks a bit small to join the brawl, 3 ballistas and a rider won't cut it.
 
Your bpt like others have said is pretty low, I also think you should have chosen happiness tenets instead of what I consider tall tenets
 
Immortal? IMMORTAL? Pardon for the rough reply but you should be on PRINCE, maybe even lower. You're extraordinarily lucky you even SURVIVED this long.

First of all, your bpt is WAY too low. This is because you followed the completely wrong tech path. On immortal, general research order is luxury techs -> writing for libraries, basically +50% science ->philosophy for NC -> education (about turn 110) -> scientific theory (about turn 165-195) -> plastics for labs (about t210-230).

You're trudging slowly through the military techs, won't help short-term OR long term. At t60 you need 4 c-bows to take most cities; by now you need x-bows. 3 ballistae and 1 horsemen are going to be crushed by AI's unit spam. Both c-bows and x-bows are a must for defense AND offense, so you won't waste beakers even if you don't want to war. BPT by now should be 80-100.

The only reason you came so far is since all other warmongers are on the other side of the continent trying to kill each other, and Brazil is peaceful. Pretty soon they're gonna come for you, and your precious 4-unit military will do NOTHING against the deluge of medieval units they're getting soon. Provided you survive that, some AI on the other continent is gonna tech to an SV while you're in industrial. IMO this game is unsalvageable; you're already too far behind. Load the t0 save and try again.

This is immortal, where you CANNOT sandbox all you want, and beakers are worth their weight in gold. I don't think you're ready for it yet, since you haven't grasped those concepts.
 
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