First National Bank of Fanatika - DISCUSSIONS ONLY

[trader/warrior]

i have now become the item keeper so ill decide how much it will cost for a shop to get a item in his shop, when i have done that i think the prices will become right.
oh, and wats wrong with my prices?should it be more expensive?i tried to do them so that everybody could afford a slightly better than a normal horse.

 

[BCLG100]

SAaM where are my items i have PMd them to strider they are in my thread and it is not up there also i should have the marketplace and bank by today

 

[disorganizer]

SaaM:
anther slight change: exchange low-government and non-government in you paylist. the census and the other offices are in fact government positions. the non-government positions should have +1 and the low-government +2. also we may need to distinguish between the department head and its deputies/helpers, as the head normally has much more to do (maintain the thread).

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

dis-
blame strider 4 that typo.
ps- im abolishing pension. every1 just starts out w/ 100 gold
bcgl- ask strider

 

[BCLG100]

ok and me i should ask strider as well seriousley though you need to get some help on this as most posts so far start out with SAaM you need to get and assitant i believe curu is doing it so maybe tell him what you want done i will also help as much as possible

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Bank COS:
1: All bank rules are official and binding. These effect the entire DemoGame II RPG. These rules are to be writen one of two ways:
By the Bank Head or
By a passing of 2/3 of the senate.
2: The bank does engage in giving loans. All loans are based on 5% interest.
All loans must be approved by Bank Head
3: All busineses must report sales to the Bank. This applies to both large department stores and personal businesses.
4: All businesses must be registered. This will give them their permit. Any business found operating with out a permit will be closed down.
5: Business owners, after paying any expenses, recieve all money earned. This money must be shown in their records to be considered vaild.
6: At the end of turn chats, bank accounts will be updated. This means all sales DURING the turn chat will be placed in the next turn chats account.
7: Multiple businesses, at this time, (they will eventually be allowed) are not allowed. Businesses working together are allowed, unless a trust is formed.
BUSINESS INVESTIGATIONS:
A BI is similar to a PI. Same standards apply, however the BI is money related. Any company found to be operating a monopoly (ie- Microsoft). If the defendant is found guilty, their business will be taken from them and they will face a penalty of half the gold earned.

 

[BCLG100]

in addition to rule number four to register you have to PM me strider civanator and SAaM though im not sure about stuck might be too much extra work for him so best just leave stuck when getting registered first pm me strider or civanator and we will see if the buisiness is good eough to go in the RPG

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

i need an asistant 4 doin stuff w/ rule 4.
curu is 4 loans and does part of the update.
pm if interested

 

[Shaitan]

A couple questions/comments:

5% interest over what period?

There's no need for official businesses to report earnings. They don't actually have a need for profit and don't need to keep track of anything. They are NPC's.

Why a restriction against multiple businesses? It seems arbitrarily restrictive.

A monopoly clause isn't necessary. Every business that doesn't have a competitor is a monopoly. This clause would shut down virtually every private business.

@BCLG100 - Keep it simple. Have a single registration point. PMing 4 different people isn't going to work.

 

[Civanator]

how about PMing one of us, and then in the first post say at the bottom who gave the green light for the business?

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Originally posted by Shaitan
A couple questions/comments:

5% interest over what period?

There's no need for official businesses to report earnings. They don't actually have a need for profit and don't need to keep track of anything. They are NPC's.

Why a restriction against multiple businesses? It seems arbitrarily restrictive.

A monopoly clause isn't necessary. Every business that doesn't have a competitor is a monopoly. This clause would shut down virtually every private business.

im talking monopolies that charge whatever theyd like because theyre the only one.

5% over the while it takes to repay it.

and the multi was to bulk it up. its gone now

 

[Shaitan]

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac


im talking monopolies that charge whatever theyd like because theyre the only one.

5% over the while it takes to repay it.

and the multi was to bulk it up. its gone now

Let people charge what they want. People will buy it or not. If it's ridiculous pricing they won't buy it, somebody will start selling it for less or it'll go into one of the official department store lists so people can get it at a reasonable price.

So there will be a total of 5% interest over the course of the loan no matter how long it takes to repay it? That would be okay for short term loans with a specific payment schedule and no early payment possible. The payback time would also need to be the same for all loans.

 

[Almightyjosh]

Originally posted by Shaitan

There's no need for official businesses to report earnings. They don't actually have a need for profit and don't need to keep track of anything. They are NPC's.

Why a restriction against multiple businesses? It seems arbitrarily restrictive.

A monopoly clause isn't necessary. Every business that doesn't have a competitor is a monopoly. This clause would shut down virtually every private business.

In responce to these three points...

First, buisnesses MUST keep track of profits, as the profits belong to the person running the store. ie, if I make a profit in my bodyguarding or useful items buisnesses, then I can keep that gold and spend it on something else. The RPG is not as simple as 'money goes out from bank' at the turn chat and 'money goes back to bank' when people buy a 'bank owned' stores. In fact, there is much more TRADING of money and goods between people than with the bank.

Secondly, I completely agree, people should be able to own multiple buisnesses. It is wrong to prohibit this. All it would do is force people to run everything under one name
eg: AJ's Bodyguard/Usefull Items/Party Hire/Travel Store.

Lastly, I think this is very valid. In fact, I think monopolies are BETTER. People who have a good idea should be the ones who get to reap a profit. How is it fair if I start up a herbs buisnees and undercut Civinator just because I can. It may be capitalism, but it's not fun. Anti-monopoly law would be folly.

 

[Shaitan]

Originally posted by Almightyjosh
First, buisnesses MUST keep track of profits, as the profits belong to the person running the store. ie, if I make a profit in my bodyguarding or useful items buisnesses, then I can keep that gold and spend it on something else. The RPG is not as simple as 'money goes out from bank' at the turn chat and 'money goes back to bank' when people buy a 'bank owned' stores. In fact, there is much more TRADING of money and goods between people than with the bank.

Yes, private businesses absolutely must keep track. I meant that the official shops (department stores? I'm still not clear what they're being called) that are run by the RPG managers don't need to keep track of anything. Only the players need to do this. It's wasted effort for an NPC outfit to keep track of such things.

 

[Almightyjosh]

Am I to believe then, that EA does not get the profits from his grocery store because it is an 'official' shop?? That doesn't seem fair!! (I just picked EA as an example, would this would be the case for all of us if it is for him.)
Why do we NEED official stores? They are EXACTLY the same as private stores, exept the people who go to the effort of running them don't get the profit!! What is achieved by official stores? Why not have all buisness as private and tax? (that is if the bank needs money at all!!)

 

[BCLG100]

because at the moment that is how the game is working

 

[Civanator]

well now we can get all the necessary needs at all the private businesses, and others.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Executive Descision regarding proffits:
All things purchased must be recorded.
All sales must be recorded.
When final profit is determined, that must be reported in a new thread designed for businesses (tba)
A portion of this profit (either 5 per 10 or 6 per 10, to be voted on) will be kept by business owners. The rest goes to theFRA

 

[VHS]

THE FNS IS DUE TO OPEN TUEDAY SEPTEMBER 3RD 2002. IF YOU WISH TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FNS DROP ME A PM. YOU WILL BE RECEIVING A LIST ON MONDAY ON WHAT WILL BE NEEDED. IT IS NOT DIFFICULT.

 

[BCLG100]

you realise that was alll in capitals and this is not an advertising thread dont you have you posted this in the volunteer thread?