Folic Acid doubles cancer rate

[Kruelgor]

Do you have SOLID PROOF of this. You've not given one shred of evidence beyond an MSNBC link

Solid proof that carcinogens are intentionally placed into our food supply?

I guess I can provide you with the Google search since you're incapable

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=soda+pancreatic+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g2g-v8&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=sodium+nitrite+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=folic+acid+cancer+chile&aq=f&aqi=g-c3g1g-c6&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=food+coloring+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m2&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=preservatives+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g-c2&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

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[Joecoolyo]

Google searches are not peer reviewed.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Yes, I am capable, but why should I do the research for you?

 

[The_J]

Man, get at least some right science side, like this one.

Don't forget the contrary statements:

Increased folic acid intake appears to be a good idea in designing diets to prevent cancer of the colon and breast.

This paper studied the possible effect of folic acid in fortified Baladi bread on the prevention of colon cancer development in rats.

Folic acid-conjugated albumin nanospheres (FA-AN) have been developed to provide an actively targetable drug delivery system for improved drug targeting of cancer cells with reduced side effects.

At least there's no real consensus about what folic acid really does.
Nothing's sure here.

 

[emzie]

Man, get at least some right science side, like this one.

...

At least there's no real consensus about what folic acid really does.
Nothing's sure here.

There's a real lack of scientific understanding in the US. It's true here in Canada, and it's true in Europe, but it seems quite a bit worse there. The scientific method is held in a lot more contempt. The power of peer review, the power of large data sets, the power of falsifiability, it just sounds like mumbojumbo to a lot of Americans.

 

[Tacitusitis]

Solid proof that carcinogens are intentionally placed into our food supply?

I guess I can provide you with the Google search since you're incapable

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=soda+pancreatic+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g2g-v8&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=sodium+nitrite+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=folic+acid+cancer+chile&aq=f&aqi=g-c3g1g-c6&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=food+coloring+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m2&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=preservatives+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g-c2&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

He just linked us to a Google search and I nearly got an infraction for saying he was BSing us

 

[Dumanios]

Wait till he meets Aliothemage, then the humour can really begin...

 

[ori]

Man, get at least some right science side, like this one.

Don't forget the contrary statements:







At least there's no real consensus about what folic acid really does.
Nothing's sure here.

as I posted somewhere upthread the actual study on which the msnbc story is based is actually quite good - and certainly worth reading. Bottom line is: there is some evidence that folic acid helps cancer cells grow once the cancer is present and there is indication that this leads to higher growth rate. The study itself shows that in elderly patients folic acid did not help reduce mortality and seems to have increased the incidence of malignant tumors.

Solid proof that carcinogens are intentionally placed into our food supply?

I guess I can provide you with the Google search since you're incapable

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=soda+pancreatic+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g2g-v8&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

from the first link:

The problem might be the quantity of sugar in the drinks.

its based on some study from the university of minesota apparently but no indication where its published or even who the lead author was so its too complicated to find out what its actually based on, but apparently you want the FDA to ban sugar - which may even be a good idea but good luck getting that sold to the public.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=sodium+nitrite+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

sodium nitrite: actually prevents the growth of clostridium botulinium in canned meat and other meats sold in sealed containers - removing it entirely from such product would directly and quite efficiently kill people - hence why unlike your claims it is actually regulated - there are upper limits for it almost everywhere I am sure that that is the case in the US as well. You are correct though that it is a known carcinogen in conjunction with amines found in meat.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=folic+acid+cancer+chile&aq=f&aqi=g-c3g1g-c6&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

we already did the folic acid thing: there is some science that points to it not being solely beneficial - but there is good science also that hints at a benefit for some population - the chile thing is ridiculous: the main risk factor for colon cancer apart from genetics is obesity and I bet that in the decade looked at obesity rates in chile have increased a lot. The abstract for the chilean study does not note that they looked at that and its not freely available.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=food+coloring+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m2&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

from one of the first links:

But since these chemicals only cause cancer when injected, not ingested, the FDA keeps them legal.

fine as long as you don't use them as injected drugs there is no evidence of them being carcinogens.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=preservatives+cancer&aq=f&aqi=g-c2&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=

far too generic: yeah there are preservatives like nitrite that are carcinogens - but based on their benefit the risk needs to be evaluated.

Bottom line of all your links the only one holding up to some scrutiny is the folic acid one and even that is dubious: folic acid has proven benefits for some, but seems to not be terribly good for others. The main benefit known so far of fortification is reduced mortality and morbidity at birth: if that is a huge problem in a country it may outweigh any risks.