Forcing AI to Dow

[dwlenkne]

All,

Playing China, Small, Continents, Warlord (I'm a noob, but getting better), and I have a big problem. I'm trying to avoid the 'Warmonger' moniker, and using the The Heroic Chu-Ko-Nu Rush Strategy, I made Darius and then Alexander mad by insulting and demanding resources and cities, and they DoW on me. Followed by a two pronged rush of Chu-Ku-Nu that cleaned them both out in 20 turns or so...

Now, Washington, Catherine, and Hiawatha are falling all over themselves to be my friend, and I'm about double the points of the closest AI.

So how do I get them to DoW on me? They aren't allied with any CS's, I've denounced them, demands resources, etc, and nothing. Should I just live with the Warmonger title, and rush them all?

And yes, after this, I'm going to give Prince a try...

 

[illserveu]

I was friend with Washington, and sign a Defensive Pact, then bribe the one I want to go war with to DoW with Washington => I and him were at war, with the assist of Washington!

 

[Johan de Witt]

So how do I get them to DoW on me? They aren't allied with any CS's, I've denounced them, demands resources, etc, and nothing. Should I just live with the Warmonger title, and rush them all?

And yes, after this, I'm going to give Prince a try...

If you're moving on to Prince, why not try going with the warmonger title? If you want to survive on higher difficulties, you will have to be able to survive being ganged up on. If every enemy on Warlord declares war on you, try and defeat them all. If you succeed, you're ready for another difficulty level. If you fail, learn from what you did wrong and try again...

 

[fromar]

Titles and reputation don't matter much when you are talking out the barrel of a gun. If you intend to win domination, you are a warmonger and deserve the reputation.

You did well keeping three friends while killing two enemies. Sooner or later though, you will have to turn on your friends. Your reputation won't matter too much if you are in a shooting war with everyone left.

I think you should figure out if your "friends" are all friends with each other. If there's one AI out of the friend block, denounce then DOW on them. You may avoid a diplo hit for your remaining two friends. Once that war is complete, kill the other two.

 

[dwlenkne]

Well, I waded in with both feet, and DoW on both Hiawatha and Washington in the same turn. I tried to get Catherine to Dow on Washington, but no go. Catherine sat out the entire conflict.

Hiawatha was by far the toughest nut to crack, and he cost me some units until I got the AA bombed down. Washington was a pushover, and I just rolled on into Russia for the coup-de-grace. Catherine sat out the entire conflict, keeping the Research Agreements going with me, up to the turn I invaded.

Held off taking Moscow until all of the her other cities were puppets, nuked Moscow, and rolled in a Death Robot for the kill. And yes, Giant Death Robots are Cool!

Ended with a score of 5600 or so, which is good for me.

 

[fromar]

Ended with a score of 5600 or so, which is good for me.

That's a high score. Well done.

 

[PScirocco]

Something strange happened to me last game, I was playing the Turks on emperor continent. Everyone except the Arabs was on the same continent, and I had a corner start, so I expanded early into a choke point which was very close to Bismark, naturally he was pissed and DoW around 20 turns later, and somehow Elizabeth also got involved (I found out much later that she's on the other side of the continent with a line of CS between us). Whatever, maybe she was bribed into fighting me. I like defensive wars anyway to avoid the warmonger reputation and the English was way too far to do any damage.

Fast forward 200 turns, Germany was conquered, as was Rome, which was north of it. I had a force of 5 infantry and 3 artillery, and the rest of the world was barely getting riflemen into play. I moved up to the English border, and Liz suddenly DoW on me despite having a vastly inferior army, and by that I mean pikemen and maybe two musketeers.

Any theory on what caused her crazy DoW? I probably had 5 times the pointiest stick figure, a far larger and tech advanced empire, and the civs left were either friendly with me, or in the case of the Arab, it wasn't even discovered.

 

[lawofqr]

AI being terrible, as usual.

 

[mchl]

civ 5 doesn't put penalties on warmongering and attacking at random. Just attack. A lot of times if you get them down to one city, don't ask for everything they've got, and give them gold for a RA with you, and a free luxury or two that you've just conquered, then they'll be friendly a few turns later. I think its hilarious.

If you play like you're playing on the harder levels it'll never work, no defensive pacts, don't demand or try to get DOW or anything just attack.

 

[Morningcalm]

The stupidest thing is that you get no bonus points when going to war to save an AI. You still get called a WARMONGERING MENACE. Pft.