Fox-30: The Sly Fox

[Jabah]

T0 - 1730
Vassalize Sally,

During the following turns, give all our techs to Sally & GW.

Reorganise Mount City (GP farm) to max GPP for a new GP in 5t (to have a Golden Age with the GS, if we manage to avoid the 3% GS risks).

We are quite (more exactly very) unhealthy, so I reorganise cities for better production and no more growth. Also get the lazy workers to build a few workshop over some farm to increase production.

Change build orders at the border to Wall then Castle. Then decide to do it also in most cities as castles are giving EP, and even if it is not needed, it is in the spirit of the game (+ we are protective with stone, so we will have several huge overflows in big cities turning into gold for upgrades).

Regroup our troops to Athens (at the junction Shaka/Mehmet), Spiro (Shaka center) and New Orleans (Mehmet NE corner) in America for our troops that were deep inside Arabia.

T2 - 1734

Steal Physics from Mehmet (we have all his tech now, next will be constitution in a few turns).

T4 - 1738

The important line is: Shaka is free again... that is not a good idea for him.

Turn Leonidas, our spare GG into a speed 2 medic 3 maceman (in the Athens stack) as we are still (or again) without a serious healer..

T5 - 1740
GE born.
I Stop playing there

Plan should be quite simple now :
1. start a GA,
2. Declare on Shaka only and take the 15% land we need to win.

The only sligthly less optimal thing is that our biggest stack in New Orleans (with some still healing) will not see any action or need to cross Mehmet lands first (we have OB and lots of trade, so not a big deal)

Victory conditions,we are not that far now.

Power, Shaka is not even stronger than any of our vassals

Jabah

edit save not attached, I have upload error (with the attachment fonction) for either the zip or the save (will update when I find a solution)

 

[berserks01]

edit save not attached, I have upload error (with the attachment fonction) for either the zip or the save (will update when I find a solution)

Your account is probably full on CivFanatics, that's why you can't upload. Just delete some of the old uploads and you should be able to upload fine me thinks.

 

[r_rolo1]

Good to see that we don't need to war the Turk.... I hate to break such a nice store of techs

Jabah, if needed, use a external server for the save , like rapidshare

 

[Jabah]

I have 'only' 7Mo out of the 60 allowed, and some people seem to have the same problem with the SGOTM system today, so it is probably on the CFC server side.

I use rapidshare then

Save is here

 

[berserks01]

I've got it then. Tonite or tomorrow.

 

[mystyfly]

Nice to see we're on track. I say finish it berserkers.

We don't know how much land shaka has, right? Otherwise we easily know how much we get if we vassalized him instantly and know how far to take the war. I don't like waiting to pop borders

 

[berserks01]

Took a quick peek around our cities, looks okay for the most part. Only a few minor changes to work better tiles.

We have an GE and a GS at Mound city. Were there any indications on how to use them? I don't remember reading any, so I left them for the next player to use.

I had considered blowing the war-horn this turn, but I noticed this right outside Spiro

And the stack at Spiro has only 1 treb. I decided to hold off until I can get more trebs there.

After several turns in, a stack of healed unit pop up at the border or Mehmed that I hadn't noticed before. I sent it towards Nodwengu.

Stole Constitution from Mehmed

We got a good event that's bad for us

I picked the least beaker one.

Stole Replaceable Parts in anticipation of Rifles.

Stole Rifles

then declared on Shaka immediately after

Nodwengu is razed right after I declared.

During the IBT, Shaka sent his entire stack of trebs at our stack outside kwaDukuza as well as all his grens and curassiers. Our stack survived the attack with heavy casualties. Then Mehmed declared on us, now the fun begins

 

[berserks01]

Next turn, Sparta is ours

and kwaDukuza is also ours.

I also nabbed Economics from Mehmed and picked off a couple of Zulu and Ottoman stragglers invading our borders.

And we learned why Mehmed declared on us.

We got a good event, and I took the Military Advisory.

We got a GG at New York, he's still there waiting orders

Nongoma falls easily

uMgundgundlovu falls easily as well.

I stopped here. We have a stack outside Nombamba ready to take it next turn.

The stack in Nongoma can head up and take Ndondakusuka.

The stack in uMgundgundlovu can head towards either Ondini or Ulundi.

There's another stack outside Zongdulak

And a final stack outside Konya.

Don't worry about the defense at Mehmed's cities, they're mostly airships with 2/3 real defenders. I suggest giving Rifling to Washington and Saladin to help them out, they're aren't doing very well. Have fun.

 

[berserks01]

It seems I also have problems with Civfanatics upload. Here's the save on rapidshare.

Fox30_AD-1768.zip

 

[GreyFox]

Nice warring there. I am still wondering if AI take into account the DoW when accepting voluntary vassal ... seems pretty foolish of Mehmed to accaept if AI did.

Anyway, game is pretty much in the bag ... just need 10 more percent of land. Not that it matters, but we seems to be neglecting the draft ... keep Etruscan on the draft for a free rifleman, shall we? Also, we should probably steal Liberalism ... I bet someone already have communism which we want. When we do, start a golden age.

One way or another, let's finish the game.

Roster
-- GreyFox
-- MystyFly
-- Ruff_Hi
-- Jabah
-- berserks01
>> r_rolo1 == UP!

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[r_rolo1]

Why do I always get the mop up in the Fox games ( atleast it was like that in the last 3) ?

If you didn't noticed this is a got it

 

[mystyfly]

Nice turns berserkers , long since we stole that many techs in one set

The great ppl were for a GA I think.

We need to cut mehmed a bit so shaka breaks free (again) or we have to vassalize mehmed first (and then win the game) but we'd still be at war with shaka, gaining nothing but losing units (occasionally) so I say redirect some units to fight mehmed. If his power curve dropps, shaka should break free soonish and vassalize to us.

 

[Jabah]

Strange that Mehmet had accepted to vassalise Shaka while at war...

Maybe it was not clear enough (just a little line in my report)
The GPPs were for a Golden Age (they still can do it of course)
We had 3 stacks including 1 healing in New Orleans (all group set to healing since I didn't expect Mehmet to go to war that soon, and I didn't know that ALL would be waiting for the last very injured unit to heal before 'prompting' the player again).

 

[r_rolo1]

Well, I was preparing for a long and hard war.....

But it wasn't meant to be

First thing I did was to finish the job that Jabah had prepared:

Spoiler :

And was preparing to conquer some more cities.... both the turk and Shaka were unavaliable for talks.....

Until....

The Turk decided to launch a feeble attack with cuiraseers on Sal ( 3 + 1 ) and 3 of them passed by our territory, right in front of some drafted rifles After the inevitable, sudently mehemed ( but not Shaka ) was willing to talk peace:

Spoiler :

Obviously I accepted... but that was not enough to Dom:

Spoiler :

Not that important, it was just a matter of some extra border pops....

But suddently Shaka, now free, was also willing to talk:

Spoiler :

So it was not a surprise that...

Spoiler :

Save below is from after victory.

Kudos for all for a nicely played game. And hopefully mr Fox learnt something

 

[mystyfly]

Nice finish rolo

Wouldn't have thought Mehmed would surrender that quickly... Nice though.

It was a nice and interesting game, thanks Fox. Too bad you won't continue straight away

2 civs killed and 4 vassalized - definitely quite good

 

[GreyFox]

Of-course I learnt something. Thanks, guys! Fantastic game.

Even the last turnset, which promised to be an exciting war but turn out to be a complete walkover, I learnt something as well - I thought it should be a conquest victory when you vassalized the whole world.

Anyhow, the espionage game does seems a little overpowered if you nab the Great Wall, and especially if you are also allowed to research at the same time (using specialist, which unfortunately we couldn't and thus wasting our spiritual trait). We offset it somewhat by choosing a leader with relatively weak (in terms of synergizing with espionage) traits. I think financial+organized would make a great combination (as was pointed out earlier in this thread before the game was started).

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Now to the matter of the next Fox game ... Well, I am due to disappear for 3 weeks late August (exactly one month from now). I doubt an SG can complete in 4 weeks ... yes, even a Fox-SG .... so that's why it will be delayed til my life return to normal.

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[Jabah]

I think we must have won both a domination AND a conquest victory (you sure win a conquest when you vassalise everyone, I don't think the game force you to play until you have enough land/people for domination - that or it is called domination even if you don't have the required land/people).

Good game everyone.

Jabah

 

[mystyfly]

Even the last turnset, which promised to be an exciting war but turn out to be a complete walkover, I learnt something as well - I thought it should be a conquest victory when you vassalized the whole world.

The game checks if you won DOM before it checks CONQ. If you get enought land you win. In ICS02 we also vassalized everyone but we vassalized "too early", leaving us with not enought land so it was conquest.

Anyhow, the espionage game does seems a little overpowered if you nab the Great Wall, and especially if you are also allowed to research at the same time (using specialist, which unfortunately we couldn't and thus wasting our spiritual trait).

I guess you mean the "Philosophical" trait
I was glad we went with SB, he's one of the underdog leaders and no one likes him (probabely because he's so hard to rush) so it was a nice change.

 

[berserks01]

Yup. I'll just echo everyone in saying that it's a good game. Glad I was a part of it.

 

[mystyfly]

Now since Mr Fox will be away for some time I thought we could play another AW game anyway. Would anyone be interested in it?

We could call it FOX anyway, FOX-35 probabely, the next "real" fox game will be #40 anyway I think