Fox06 - Waiting For Swords

[Ozbenno]

Never Vic is OCC queen ... but then I never liked fin trait. Bismarck has always been my leader of choice for OCC.

Are you trying to say Bismark is a OCC queen?

 

[FeedBack]

Hey, Mr. Fox! I'm glad to be in!

It'll be an honor to play a game with you, sir, and Imhotep. Good to play again with shyuhe, since the trash game. And a good opportunity to play with the Portuguese guy, r_rolo1, aside of MLG2, of course. Oh! As we are committed to tell a bad joke, I hope you don't mind me telling some Portuguese ones. Do you?

Well, first things first: since I got my new sword, I haven't started a single time the Warlords expansion. Which version are we using for this? 2.08?

You guys are talking about Monarch AW, Emperor... Well, I still have to win my first Monarch victory yet... But with so experienced players I should be easily backed up.

Enough praising... Time to change my signature.

 

[r_rolo1]

@FeedBack

No problem about the jokes. I also know some really good about Brazilian

About level: Never played in Emperor, but I'm pretty confident that with the team we have here we'll be fine ( BTW , FeedBack, if you play so well as you did in MLG 2, you'll be in Emperor in no time )

 

[GreyFox]

Feedback: it's actually Fox07 ... (Fox06 is Need For Speed) ... whatever ... my mistake actually ... but the forums doesn't allow you to change the title ... or if it does, I don't know how.

Emperor vs Monarch: if we can beat the AI to the first few wonders (particular importance is Pyramids and TGLibrary), we should be okay. If not, it would be difficult. Shyuhe and Imhotep, let me know your difficulty comfort level.

No problem with Portuguese and Brazilian jokes ... just translate them to Englis

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[FeedBack]

Feedback: it's actually Fox07 ... (Fox06 is Need For Speed) ... whatever ... my mistake actually ... but the forums doesn't allow you to change the title ... or if it does, I don't know how.

Signature changed. Now I wanna see who'll be the first to flame me for exchanging the numbers.

The only way I know is PMing a mod. But I don't know their availability... Methos is always around, but he isn't a mod in this forum..

So, what difference makes one more drop in an ocean? (actually, this sentence in Portuguese is way dirtier, but I don't know how to translate it into English... ) My vote goes for Emperor. If we fail we should have an excuse!

 

[GreyFox]

At the danger of being accused of not waiting for Imhotep or Shyuhe to chip in, I rolled a start ... a pretty good one at that (which made me stick to the first roll ... I was prepared to roll at least 5 different starts to choose the best ... OCCC without the ability to build colony require a lucky roll for starting position).

plan as follows:

Research: Argiculture > Bronze Working > Masonry > Animal Husbandry or Iron Working depending on copper -- either case, we need iron working sooner rather than later to mine the gems.

Builds: Worker > Barracks > Warrior

This is OCC, so we are expected to micromanage the city to optimize research and hammers in sync with growth and builds.

Barbs is ON (but not raging) so warrior is pretty important early on. Probably warrior > warrior then starts on Pyramids.

Let the comments roll in.

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[·Imhotep·]

Well, the difficulty I'm at ease with is actually Prince . I don't know why but always when I try Monarch I get my a$$ spanked big time (just see my sig). But I'm not afraid of Emperor OCC because we have a quite skilled team I guess.

As for your plan: It sounds like a very well laid one. Considering we have 1 plains hill + 2 grassland hills in the BFC we should chop only those (and maybe the grassland forest next to the Settler) and save those forests for lumbermills. We need that production if we ever want to launch !

Imhotep

 

[FeedBack]

Remember I never played an OCC game, so take anything I write here with a mountain of salt.

I know Pyramids are huge, but if we're going to chop it, couldn't we focus on a Maths beeline? Say, Agri -> AH -> Writing -> Maths? I know BW, IW, Masonry and maybe The Wheel and Archery are needed and should be into that list. I just don't know when.

The worker will be due in 15 turns. He has, at least, these things on his to-do list:

• Farm the Wheat [5 turns]
• Farm the Rice [5 turns]
• Pasturize the Cows [4 turns]
• Mine the plains hill [4 turns]
• Farm the Bananas (optional) [5 turns]
• Pre-mine the hills [6 turns each]

I won't take into account the exact amount of turns for worker movement, so the actual numbers will be greater.
Let's say, until turn 30 the worker will be busy, no matter what, doing the first 3 improvements. That can be extended until turn 40 if needed by farming the Bananas. By then, Bronze Working has to be done in order to pre-mine the hills.
Another thing to notice is a dead-lock. We need IW to work the gems, but we need the gems to speed up IW.

Well, so much for my spare time at work. You can use this random thoughts or throw it all away. I don't care too much!

 

[r_rolo1]

I'm not sure about going to IW after BW.... Having cooper or not, my first think would be Agriculture > BW > Masonry > AH >Iron Working . Chariots are decent antibarb units and the gems will only be of full use after MC (and, of course, we have plains cows in the BFC )

 

[KMadCandy]

fb dropped me a note telling me about his new SG. naturally i was filled with horror at the thought of y'all being a bad influence on him extremely interested in how things will turn out.

Warlords? What the hell is Warlords?

Surprised to see no love for the queen of OCC, Victoria (fin/exp).

warlords is that expansion where they made victoria forget how to be expansive, and learn how to be imperialistic instead, taking away that crown. clearly this traumatized you so much you wiped all trace of it from your memory! are you sure you can load the save? *giggle*

my vote, since i hate jungle, is that the very first thing your worker ever does should be to farm the wheat, before he even thinks about doing anything else. that's weird, i thought wheat was never on grass, always on plains? i thought i'd already lost my mind, but i guess i still am

 

[Ozbenno]

warlords is that expansion where they made victoria forget how to be expansive, and learn how to be imperialistic instead, taking away that crown. clearly this traumatized you so much you wiped all trace of it from your memory! are you sure you can load the save? *giggle*

Really

:consults manual

Hmmm, I paid a lot of attention to that expansion then.

Nice start BTW.

 

[sooooo]

lurker's comment: That's a nice start - 4 health resources in the BFC! Normally in OCC I don't chop any of my BFC forests, usually they are more useful for the health benefit.

 

[sooooo]

that's weird, i thought wheat was never on grass, always on plains? i thought i'd already lost my mind, but i guess i still am

True, and that's not the only strange thing here: Normally on pangaea a capital does not have any jungle in the BFC if the settler is immediately settled, and also there is a river that is not sourced at a hill.

 

[FeedBack]

that's weird, i thought wheat was never on grass, always on plains? i thought i'd already lost my mind, but i guess i still am

True, and that's not the only strange thing here: Normally on pangaea a capital does not have any jungle in the BFC if the settler is immediately settled, and also there is a river that is not sourced at a hill.

Are you guys insinuating that Mr. Fox worldbuildered this start???

 

[GreyFox]

I wouldn't have been so stupid as to WB in a wheat on grass ..... Well you guys can think whatever you what ... my experience with OCC is a lot of weird things happened with the map (presumably to compensate for OCC) ... The only thing I did which can be akin to worldbuilding is select all non-industrial opponents. That I confess.

@Feedback:

No worry, IIRC, 2.08, 2.13 and 2.00 saves are all compatible. So use whatever version you want.

I never had the intention to chop the pyramids, we are industrial. BW is to reveal copper, to make the decision to go AH first or to go IW first. Barbs will appear as early as 2800~3000BC on emperor. We would never build the pyramids in time if we beeline for Maths.

Alternative is to forgo early BW and IW and go for early archery (we have Hunting already, so this is also viable). We don't really need to whip early as in non-OCC games. Thus research will be: Agriculture > Archery > Masonry > AH > BW > IW. However, the appearance of gems made me choose the BW/IW route.

A third alternative is to go wheel and AH early (before BW) and with luck, get horses nearby. Then we can have charriots as main barb buster (and not worry abt barb axes). Thus research will be: Agriculture > AH > Masonry > Wheel > BW > IW. It has the advantage of giving the worker something to do other than farming the rice/wheat and mining the plains hill.

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[KMadCandy]

Are you guys insinuating that Mr. Fox worldbuildered this start???

honestly i was not! i love to read GreyFox's writings, and didn't mean to insinuate anything other than that i was apparently had a teensy bit of mind left to lose! i had thought i'd lost it all already, see? i also thought it was odd that you got jungle instead of forest on the gems in the BFC. my guess was the RNG screwing you over, robbing you of a plains and a forest you ought to have, not GF messing with WB. sorry for any misunderstanding, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers or fur, oopsies.

i do hope you have fun and ps i am not a guy silly *giggle*

 

[shyuhe]

wow, the posts have been flying around. Emperor is fine for difficulty, although I don't think I've ever done OCC on emperor. It's a little strange that the gems are under a jungle - I thought jungles get converted to forests in the original BFC...

The build order of woker, barracks, warrior-> pyramids sounds good. Pyramids are very helpful on OCC (I've been tinkering with the gauntlet a bit). I would irrigate the rice, mine the hill, farm the wheat, cows, bananas. Or something like that order. We'll be short on hammers if we just do all farming initially, although it doesn't make a difference so long as the mines are ready for the pyramids.

My suggested tech order is agriculture, animal husbandry, BW, masonry. Or will the capitol run out of builds if we do that order?

 

[FeedBack]

I wouldn't have been so stupid as to WB in a wheat on grass ..... Well you guys can think whatever you what ... my experience with OCC is a lot of weird things happened with the map (presumably to compensate for OCC) ... The only thing I did which can be akin to worldbuilding is select all non-industrial opponents. That I confess.

What da? I was just joking, Mr. Fox! Haven't you said we need bad jokes before turnsets? I started to tell mine! Easy, easy... I'm friendly... Friendly

I never had the intention to chop the pyramids, we are industrial. BW is to reveal copper, to make the decision to go AH first or to go IW first. Barbs will appear as early as 2800~3000BC on emperor. We would never build the pyramids in time if we beeline for Maths.

Well, it was just a silly stupid Noble idea. As soooo pointed out (and I forgot to quote), the forests seem to be more useful not chopped. That's what you get for bringing a OCC virgin into the game.

Alternative is to forgo early BW and IW and go for early archery (we have Hunting already, so this is also viable). We don't really need to whip early as in non-OCC games. Thus research will be: Agriculture > Archery > Masonry > AH > BW > IW. However, the appearance of gems made me choose the BW/IW route.

If we're not chopping nor slaving, I think the importance of BW shrunk a lot now. The only thing we need from it is the ability to research IW. Don't get me wrong, we need copper and iron for later, but I think researching archery and building one or two extra 25 hammers archers will do the job early on... We're going to space, so a few archers (longbows, riflemen) to defend in our hills later won't be wasted.

A third alternative is to go wheel and AH early (before BW) and with luck, get horses nearby. Then we can have charriots as main barb buster (and not worry abt barb axes). Thus research will be: Agriculture > AH > Masonry > Wheel > BW > IW. It has the advantage of giving the worker something to do other than farming the rice/wheat and mining the plains hill.

[scrolls to see the start again]
Well, in the first ring we have a plains (adjacent to the cows) and a grassland on the second ring (adjacent to the rice) that may have resources. But I do think it's easier to have metals than horses.

The build order of woker, barracks, warrior-> pyramids sounds good. Pyramids are very helpful on OCC (I've been tinkering with the gauntlet a bit). I would irrigate the rice, mine the hill, farm the wheat, cows, bananas. Or something like that order. We'll be short on hammers if we just do all farming initially, although it doesn't make a difference so long as the mines are ready for the pyramids.

My suggested tech order is agriculture, animal husbandry, BW, masonry. Or will the capitol run out of builds if we do that order?

Based on my writings above, may I suggest this:

Agriculture -> Animal Husbandry -> [if no horses] Archery [end if], Masonry

It's slightly faster this way. Also, the build order could be:

Worker -> Barracks -> Chariot or Archer -> Archer or Chariot -> Pyramids

Ok, I'm now talking too much. May Mr. Fox play ahead!

and ps i am not a guy silly *giggle*

D'oh! You got away for so long that I forgot how to write when you're around!

 

[GreyFox]

Bad Joke at the beginning of next post.

We settled on site, of course, despite the strange sightings of grassland wheat and jungle in BFC. In fact, I think we have 2 jungles in BFC.

Next turn, our scout saved us the trouble ...

Unfortunately, no copper anywhere in sight.

Next is a series of meeting the Emperors ...

Brennus:

Hatty, who claimed the gods are smiling at us ...

... but not for meeting her; instead it's for beating her to the hut!



Asoka ...

... who later goes on and founded Buddhism (quite fittingly).

Hannibal, Washy and Wang:

Last of my turn, we fend off some wolves and learnt animal husbandry ... horsey is so near yet so far:

I stopped here, tentatively clicked archery since no way we can expand to horses before barbs appear. I am farming the wheat first (gives 1 more food than rice, IIRC). Next player should probably head for rice then cows followed by mining the hills while researching archery and masonry, hopefully once masonry is done, the mine and pasture will be ready to add hammer for pyramids.

I probably smoked into building barracks first (why did I do that? ) ... suggest just switch to archer once archery is done, then switch to pyramids once masonry is in.

 

[GreyFox]

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