Franco will move.

[Timsup2nothin]

I don't know what's more extreme than killing people, something they have been doing for decades prior to any calls for greater moderation.

I think what he means is that they are also targetting non-minorities, you know, white people.

Again, the issue is numbers. Yes, the extremists are out there advocating for killing people and getting some results. But the reality is that our resident apologists are correct, that will ALWAYS be happening. What isn't happening are general roundups and associated mass executions. That disappoints those extremists and they know that it isn't likely to change because they just don't have the numbers. Which is why I say I frankly do not care how upset it makes the existing extremists, they must be kept from recruiting.

 

[Patine]

Seriously, the old "if I don't allow you to scream 'FIRE' in a crowded theater next thing you know we're all burning to death in our homes wondering why no one woke us up" fallacy has gotten really tired. I'm somewhat disappointed that someone obviously capable of reading and using a keyboard and other such meager skills is still trotting it out.

Sounds like psychologically incoherent concerns initially rooted in a valid fear but turning you into a raving fearmonger who attached labels to people that are meant to denigrate and dismiss their agency and experiences. Your supposed concern over hostility is laughable as you criticize Clouds speech while defend against censorship, because you don't like the tone and tenor of his wording. And yes you are out of touch as you admit unable to keep up with the kids these days, especially choosing to use words only by your definition and ignoring what they have evolved into by all of society. Guess I should make sure to attach neo every time I say Nazi when talking about literal white Supremacists who organize and commit white Supremacists violence, because I'm misusing the word. My bad. Very telling that your advice to Cloud is to shut up and just be passive. Like the gays pushing their agenda just brought them more hostility right? They should have just waited until we granted them their humanity and not sabotage their cause by being so, in our faces about it. Those crazies. Patine, if you are going to diagnose others as having conditions, as you so readily love to do, honestly like I said go back and reread some of your postings, I don't want to be out of touch and pretend that you seem alright.

Alright, would either of please answer the question posed in my post, rather than going on about how "hypothetical" or "fearmongering" it is. Where does the wholesale censorship of ideologies end, by what line of sensible demarcation, what makes this line cessation of censorship work, and likely to happen, and who, that people can trust, is the steward of maintaining this demarcation, and stopping a tyranny where no one can speak freely or express their opinions at all? Please answer this question without such typical tactics as ridiculing the question, attacking my motives for the question, or attacking the need of the question to be asked. Basically, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

 

[Zardnaar]

I don't know what's more extreme than killing people, something they have been doing for decades prior to any calls for greater moderation.

I think what he means is that they are also targetting non-minorities, you know, white people.

No the article I posted in previous thread said the rhetoric is getting more extreme.

The shooter here didn't target white people he shot up a Mosque. He lived about 3 or 4 kms from my house.

Or local mosque was to small so he drove north.

No one saw it coming, he didn't interact with the local fascist just a lone wolf terrorist type.

Deplatforming might drive the casual Nazi types down but seems to be escalating the more serious types.

I would rather get insulted online than shot.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Again, the issue is numbers. Yes, the extremists are out there advocating for killing people and getting some results. But the reality is that our resident apologists are correct, that will ALWAYS be happening. What isn't happening are general roundups and associated mass executions. That disappoints those extremists and they know that it isn't likely to change because they just don't have the numbers. Which is why I say I frankly do not care how upset it makes the existing extremists, they must be kept from recruiting.

Ask these apologists what the end result of allowing extremists to recruit is, you will notice they will either deflect or ignore it.

There is no positives for society in allowing neo-nazis, racists, anti-semites, homophobes, transphobes etc to congregate and recruit and yet they will fight tooth and nail to allow and enable it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Alright, would either of please answer the question posed in my post, rather than going on about how "hypothetical" or "fearmongering" it is. Where does the wholesale censorship of ideologies end, by what line of sensible demarcation, what makes this line cessation of censorship work, and likely to happen, and who, that people can trust, is the steward of maintaining this demarcation, and stopping a tyranny where no one can speak freely or express their opinions at all? Please answer this question without such typical tactics as ridiculing the question, attacking my motives for the question, or attacking the need of the question to be asked. Basically, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

I refer you to the last loaded question spewing jerk that made such a demand.

When did you stop beating your wife? ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!

 

[Cloud_Strife]

No the article I posted in previous thread said the rhetoric is getting more extreme.

The shooter here didn't target white people he shot up a Mosque. He lived about 3 or 4 kms from my house.

Or local mosque was to small so he drove north.

No one saw it coming, he didn't interact with the local fascist just a lone wolf terrorist type.

You are wrong; the signs were there, online, but people have ignored them.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Ask these apologists what the end result of allowing extremists to recruit is, you will notice they will either deflect or ignore it.

There is no positives for society in allowing neo-nazis, racists, anti-semites, homophobes, transphobes etc to congregate and recruit and yet they will fight tooth and nail to allow and enable it.

I know. That would be why I fight tooth and nail to prevent their recruiting. I don't know that anything can be done about them congregating, but I do take some satisfaction in knowing that I make their places of congregation less comfortable, and thus less attractive to potential recruits, in any way I can.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Alright, would either of please answer the question posed in my post, rather than going on about how "hypothetical" or "fearmongering" it is. Where does the wholesale censorship of ideologies end, by what line of sensible demarcation, what makes this line cessation of censorship work, and likely to happen, and who, that people can trust, is the steward of maintaining this demarcation, and stopping a tyranny where no one can speak freely or express their opinions at all? Please answer this question without such typical tactics as ridiculing the question, attacking my motives for the question, or attacking the need of the question to be asked. Basically, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Genuine question, would you not prefer the censorship wholesale of Neo-Nazis and other demonstrably harmful groups, if so why the narrow exception? If not, what exactly do you think the result of allowing them to grow unchecked will be, for people such as myself or PoC?

 

[Zardnaar]

You are wrong; the signs were there, online, but people have ignored them.

They're still online Cloud they just find more extreme places to congregate.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I know. That would be why I fight tooth and nail to prevent their recruiting. I don't know that anything can be done about them congregating, but I do take some satisfaction in knowing that I make their places of congregation less comfortable, and thus less attractive to potential recruits, in any way I can.

I totally agree, hence why i am here.

 

[Dekker]

Hmmm I wonder why? Your censored world isn't happening, Stormfront wasn't shuttered, he was indoctrinated because people like you fight so hard against people who actively oppose and criticize Nazis, allowing their reach to, reach this guy. Way to go ACLU FBI monitoring and stopping.

 

[Patine]

I refer you to the last loaded question spewing jerk that made such a demand.

When did you stop beating your wife? ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!

You fail! You have no more validity. You are just a caustic trashheap who has a shifting, inconsistent point of view and prefers to ridicule other posters, laugh at their posts, and pretend to be self-pretense, while saying as little of your own as possible - because I believe you actually have very little to say.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

They're still online Cloud they just find more extreme places to congregate.

And your answer is to sit on your hands and stay stuhm because the idea of potentially censoring people makes you uncomfortable, yet you do not feel such dissonance even as people die from the results of said ideology.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

They're still online Cloud they just find more extreme places to congregate.

It isn't the places that are extreme. That's pretty basically the point.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

It isn't the places that are extreme. That's pretty basically the point.

It is the steady ramping up of content and posts that at first "joke" about removing certain minority groups wholesale from society that eventually mutate and transform into unironic calls for genocide, from there people act upon it.

Trying pointing this out, as i have in this very thread, and you will have people accuse you of not understanding "banter" or insisting it is merely a "joke" even as said community continues to attract more and more deranged individuals, who unfortunately are being prepped to attack others.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You fail! You have no more validity. You are just a caustic trashheap who has a shifting, inconsistent point of view and prefers to ridicule other posters, laugh at their posts, and pretend to be self-pretense, while saying as little of your own as possible - because I believe you actually have very little to say.

Look around man. I would say that there is no one here who is better known in terms of equating their consistently expressed on line opinions and their real life than I am. This wild shot is so obviously off the mark that I'm surprised you even tried it. Panicking?

 

[Patine]

Genuine question, would you not prefer the censorship wholesale of Neo-Nazis and other demonstrably harmful groups, if so why the narrow exception? If not, what exactly do you think the result of allowing them to grow unchecked will be, for people such as myself or PoC?

What happens when your "side" starts getting censored (using radical groups like Antifa and stuff as casus bellis), based on the same kinds of "socially disruptive and provocative to law and order and making threats of terrorist and violent activities" once the government is safely secure in it's power, right, and mandate to censor wholesale ideologies?

 

[Zardnaar]

Hmmm I wonder why? Your censored world isn't happening, Stormfront wasn't shuttered, he was indoctrinated because people like you fight so hard against people who actively oppose and criticize Nazis, allowing their reach to, reach this guy. Way to go ACLU FBI monitoring and stopping.

The Nazi are going to be there regardless

Let's say Obama revoked the free speech part of the Constitution. He passed some sort of anti hate legislation.

Trump still wins and has 2 years to do what he wants. Now imagine someone more competent than Trump.

This isn't a hypothetical either. Look at China or Poland.

Left it right the 1st thing authoritarian regimes do is limit free speech and or control the media.

 

[Dekker]

Alright, would either of please answer the question posed in my post, rather than going on about how "hypothetical" or "fearmongering" it is. Where does the wholesale censorship of ideologies end, by what line of sensible demarcation, what makes this line cessation of censorship work, and likely to happen, and who, that people can trust, is the steward of maintaining this demarcation, and stopping a tyranny where no one can speak freely or express their opinions at all? Please answer this question without such typical tactics as ridiculing the question, attacking my motives for the question, or attacking the need of the question to be asked. Basically, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Yes accuse me of deflection with this great deflection of your own.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What happens when your "side" starts getting censored (using radical groups like Antifa and stuff as casus bellis), based on the same kinds of "socially disruptive and provocative to law and order and making threats of terrorist and violent activities" once the government is safely secure in it's power, right, and mandate to censor wholesale ideologies?

The same tired loaded question...the premise of which has already been dispatched...find something new or...I dunno...move on?