French - Where have I done wrong (with saved game)

noontide

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I'm at King's level, playing French. I have 6 cities, building a lot of culture building. But America is next to me and is in the process of eating up everybody else and is advanced in technology. He left his most populous city exposed, I massed the meager army I have around it, I can take it out with one strike, but I can't really declare war against him cause he's ally with everybody (btw, how's that possible???) and i just get killed by all the city states. I don't think biding my time is the answer cause it is rather agressive in waging wars. What could I have done differently and how to remedy the situation at this point?

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ask GW to declare war to other nation near his border because in this situation its hard and nearly imposible to ask other nation fight him, bribe him (GW), with city, gpt, lux, strategy item (but not gold) everything u can.

There are one weakness in AI and u can exploit the weakness if he declaring war with other AI, they send almost all of his troops out to attack the enemy, and they rarely rush unit production with gold if there are unwanted attack near their city, the only thing that they can do is send frontline back to defending the city, and it will take time. If u already make him agree declaring war with other AI, wait for 2-3 turn, then attack his empty spot, just say, if the enemy border are at far north, let your troops attacking south. It best to send scout to following where he put his troops and how his war going, so u can decide what is the weakest spot to attack.

But capturing 1-2 city not giving u an instant victory, its only giving u an pre-emptive advantage and an upper hand in opening battle, if u succeed defeating his army in your real battle againts him, dont stop in any cause, keep it until his vanish on map or until he agree to give bunch of his city, gpt and gold to u, u can take it, and sold it to other (his city). It will lead to border conflict that without your effort will wipe him on map and lead to another world war.

About the city states, attack them if only they near your border and can be a threat for your city, if not, dont brother them until you finish your biz with him.

Im not the best player on this forum im not even good comparing to many other, but i really hope u find my suggestion helpful for your situation, try it if u like, and share it. I hope other will contribute to help u out on your situation.

;)
 
ask GW to declare war to other nation near his border because in this situation its hard and nearly imposible to ask other nation fight him, bribe him (GW), with city, gpt, lux, strategy item (but not gold) everything u can.

There are one weakness in AI and u can exploit the weakness if he declaring war with other AI, they send almost all of his troops out to attack the enemy, and they rarely rush unit production with gold if there are unwanted attack near their city, the only thing that they can do is send frontline back to defending the city, and it will take time. If u already make him agree declaring war with other AI, wait for 2-3 turn, then attack his empty spot, just say, if the enemy border are at far north, let your troops attacking south. It best to send scout to following where he put his troops and how his war going, so u can decide what is the weakest spot to attack.

But capturing 1-2 city not giving u an instant victory, its only giving u an pre-emptive advantage and an upper hand in opening battle, if u succeed defeating his army in your real battle againts him, dont stop in any cause, keep it until his vanish on map or until he agree to give bunch of his city, gpt and gold to u, u can take it, and sold it to other (his city). It will lead to border conflict that without your effort will wipe him on map and lead to another world war.

About the city states, attack them if only they near your border and can be a threat for your city, if not, dont brother them until you finish your biz with him.

Im not the best player on this forum im not even good comparing to many other, but i really hope u find my suggestion helpful for your situation, try it if u like, and share it. I hope other will contribute to help u out on your situation.

;)

Thanks. that's really helpful. I'm also thinking, what have i done wrong? I mean, how did I end up in this situation at the first place? Do i not have enough cities?
 
Thanks. that's really helpful. I'm also thinking, what have i done wrong? I mean, how did I end up in this situation at the first place? Do i not have enough cities?

i do want to play your save game, but in this week or after im far away from my pc (home) and my civ 5 game (i cant play it in my notebook) so i haven't try your game yet i just try to figure out your condition by reading your post.

I think this time what u really need is not more city, but more unit to successful beating their wave, they will not come to u at once, but gradually, so effectively annihilating their unit before another reinforcement come to aid is very essential. It mean, keep your unit fight the enemy in affordable quantity or size, base on your technology comparing to AI, u must at least keep to fight them in position you are overwhelming them with number.

To create those condition, what u need most is money/gpt, not tools.

Just remember, keep selling their city. It make them imposible to retake it without declare war, and make u rich. In addition, u can provoke the buyer to declare war with your foe, if he being a public enemy, there are chance that he offering u a peace, while u leaving your war resulting lots benefit on your side and leaving mass destruction on his side. In this term, your 10 step ahead.
 
but it takes forever to build a unit, and wouldn't that slow down my building towards culture?
 
but it takes forever to build a unit, and wouldn't that slow down my building towards culture?

i know Noon, the city is not really producing the unit, it more like pregnant with unit :lol: , it take u 9 month to make the unit come out as a baby boy.

In civ 5 production more like investing the unit not producing the unit. This is why when we are at war we need a cash and carries strategy, buy unit from the city and carries it to frontline, we need money to create them not tools.

What i think is best is to purchase the unit, hence u still investing for economic or cultural building in your city production but at the same time your city still purchasing unit for you.
 
What i think is best is to purchase the unit, hence u still investing for economic or cultural building in your city production but at the same time your city still purchasing unit for you.

Then I have a follow up question. How do to get enough cash to both buy city state favor and units, except for spamming trading post?
 
There are several ways to get gold beyond Trading Posts, however I generally do put Trading Posts on most of my non-specialist tiles.

Firstly there are buildings - Market, Bank, Stock Exchange, Mint! I always make these priorities to build when available.

Use Specialists.

Get Gold & Silver Mines (see Mint).

Be Happy! It gets Golden Ages.

Raid Barbarian Camps (fighting a lot also generates GGs which can be used to trigger GAs).

Use Workboats to develop fish tiles.

Capture Cities.
 
yep capture city, then u know what to do after u capture it, garage sale time ;)

also selling luxury and resource for instant cash or gpt. Im not build every cultural building in my city, but for me, its a must to build ecomic building in every city even if the city are economically poor. Building like market, bank etc they got no maintence cost ( almost free, only it take to produce) and the most important thing they increase your capital gain per turn.
 
Seems you play like AI. Building many cities, dont specialize it. I prefer build 4 or 5 cities then build an powerful army to attack everyone. I dont build wonder, i will get it once ennemy capitals captured. Anyways AI have double population than me, double territories, is more advanced in science, but when we fight it always use old units and i kill it.
lets download and see this saved game with Persia as emperor :)
 

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