Frida Kahlo as curveball leader for Mexico

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

You say that but historical animals as leaders would make for an incredible April's fool game mode. Laika, Bucephalus, St. Guinefort, Wojtek the bear, Balto, Hachiko

I nominate Punxsutawney Phil. A blizzard spawns every time you encounter shading on the map.

 

[Krikkit1]

I nominate Punxsutawney Phil. A blizzard spawns every time you encounter shading on the map.

And you auto reload your last turn when that blizzard takes more than 1 turn to go away.

 

[seasnake]

Nice to see this thread resuscitated, especially as the discussion over more curveball leaders resonates with the thread about Ada Lovelace today.

I think it's interesting that the majority of posts in this thread were hostile towards the idea of Frida Kahlo as a leader, some on the grounds that she wasn't important enough politically, but the majority in the forum seems to have rallied in approval of Ada Lovelace.

I wonder if this is a shift in opinion between November and now since we've had more leaders revealed, reflective of other dynamics (perhaps the Civ/gamer community is more favourably inclined towards and/or familiar with computer scientists than revolutionary artists?) or simply a difference in opinion on them as individual choices?

I think it's the opposite. It seems like very few want Ada Lovelace, and count me as one of them. Harriet Tubman, while not a per se leader, saved lives and had more guts than most will ever have. Ada Lovelace wrote about the potential of someone else's invention and wrote poetry. Frida painted herself 200 times (which is what they were having fun with in Coco, how everything and everyone in that show looks like her, and no one in the audience actually gets it).

 

[RedCourtJester]

Just to clarify, my issues with Frida is not about her being a woman or a curve ball, is that to foreign audiences she represents the "mexican artist" archetype, HOWEVER, it represents it due to pop culture overload and cartoonish simplification, (Che Guevara on T-shirts levels of overload) that have little in common with the real Frida. (I mean just look at Coco for a quick example)

If you had to add a mexican female artist, you've got Sor Juana Inez, Leonora Carrington, or Remedios Varos for example. I'll play devils advocate on my own point, but if Firaxis think that they can pull off an historical Frida, deeply in pain and miserable (but fashionable af), give it a go. If you are going to make her a bubbly missunderstood colorful artist please refrain.

Now if you want an exploration age feminist Icon that can represent multiple cultures, was a poet, writer, philospher, composer and had a fiery personality to boot...

*points furiosuly at Sor Juana Inez for leader*


man I think I'll keep this as signature hahaha

I also somewhat agree with this. While I am all for Firaxis getting the opportunity to correct misimpressions about historical figures, as a representation of the "idea of Mexico" Frida would be a huge tonal shift. But other than those reservations, I think she is a better choice than not.

Plus, I mean, if you can't show her with a xolo, are you even doing it right?