G-Minor 187

[shulec]

[img=right]http://www.civfanatics.net/methos/hof/staff/gauntlet.gif[/img]While the general Hall of Fame is an ongoing competition, we like to run time-definite competitions between updates that we call Gauntlets. Standard Hall of Fame rules (*) still apply, but any games meeting the settings will be counted towards the Gauntlet.

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Settings:

• Victory Condition: Domination (though all victory conditions must be enabled)
• Difficulty: Prince
• Starting Era: Ancient
• Map Size: Small
• Speed: Normal
• Map Type: Great Plains
• Required: No Tribal Villages
• Must Not Be Checked: No Barbarians
• Civ: Native America
• Opponents: Any
• Version: 3.19.003
• Date: 10th May to 10th June 2014

Must not play as Inca.
The earliest finish date wins, with score as a tiebreaker.

 

[TheSunIsDark]

Maybe Oracling Feudalism with AIs that don't spend time on wonders? Or would a Dog Soldier/HA/chariot rush be quicker?

 

[lymond]

On this map, at this level, HAs are the way to go for fast domination. Possibly rushing some chariots out first. The toughest thing to manage is economy.

 

[TalladegaKnight]

I like the historicity of this one. Native Americans on the Great Plains. I'll include all the American leaders and scalp 'em.

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[Htadus]

I thought this was always war based on what the HOF site say. Is it or not?

 

[TalladegaKnight]

I thought this was always war based on what the HOF site say. Is it or not?

Ahhh. I was having a good run too. Oh well have to fire up the map finder again.

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[TheSunIsDark]

Is it AW or not? In the thread it doesn't say that, on the site it does. I'll have to skip it if it's Always War (or I could choose terrible AIs)

 

[shulec]

My mistake. NOT always war! Will be corrected soon.

 

[TheSunIsDark]

I like the historicity of this one. Native Americans on the Great Plains. I'll include all the American leaders and scalp 'em.

I think pacifistic leaders would be best as AIs, crammed to maximum. Maybe No City Razing, Permanent Alliances in case it gets that far, and Lincoln, Washington, Roosevelt, Elizabeth, Gandhi and Ramesses as AIs.

 

[TalladegaKnight]

I actually think I did not include any American leaders, maybe Roosevelt. I agree pacifist leaders packed to the max. The game should not get to PA's though. Just kill kill kill and move on. Leave the last ai alive and settler fill the remaining land. So far I was able to remove one ai with dog soldiers. The rest with HA's. I am hoping to not need to tech any further. We'll see how it goes.

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[TheSunIsDark]

So, I had an awesome start, but Lincoln had an even better one and the RNG screwed me up. Didn't realise Washington's archer would have 78.3% odds to take my city defended by a whipped warrior but then had good odds to take his city with my dog soldier, with a warrior as backup, but the archer was barely scratched.

 

[TalladegaKnight]

So, I had an awesome start, but Lincoln had an even better one and the RNG screwed me up. Didn't realise Washington's archer would have 78.3% odds to take my city defended by a whipped warrior but then had good odds to take his city with my dog soldier, with a warrior as backup, but the archer was barely scratched.

Dog soldiers are not very good against archers. They make good defenders though.

My first attempt failed. You definitely need some economy tech. No currency to build wealth and no COL to produce merchants drained me dry fast. You need low 20's number of cities. I did a practice game and got both COL and Currency. Seemed a bit overkill. Maybe just need COL. That makes the best use of the PHI trait. Again Protective is a bit of a liability. Imperialistic would be nice here.

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[Sun Tzu Wu]

Remember the classic way to domination victory is first cripple or eliminate (excluding eliminating all = conquest) all opponents, and before that happens start spamming settlers and plant them all at one time for the win, possibly waiting for Stonehenge, artists or other culture to expand borders enough for land domination. This mainly avoids the need for a strong economy and usually wins domination well before other strategies can.

Sun Tzu Wu

 

[TalladegaKnight]

Remember the classic way to domination victory is first cripple or eliminate (excluding eliminating all = conquest), and before that happens start spamming settlers and plant them all at one time for the win, possibly waiting for Stonehenge, artists to expand borders enough for land domination. This mainly avoids the need for a strong economy and usually wins domination well before other strategies can.

Sun Tzu Wu

How do you pay for 20 cities for the 10 turns while waiting for borders to pop?

Edit: without Currency or COL?

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[Sun Tzu Wu]

How do you pay for 20 cities for the 10 turns while waiting for borders to pop?

Edit: without Currency or COL?

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The short answer is "Do not pay and let your units go on strike".

For BtS, you can ignore unit strikes due to not having enough wealth to pay for them, after your opponents are so badly beaten/exhausted they can not attack, much less form viable stacks. For BtS, settlers and the last MP unit in each city are immune from disbanding due to a non-payable deficit. Note that workers and all other military units will be disbanded, but you don't need them any more to win. Note that for Vanilla and Warlords, more unit types are disbanded in strikes than in BtS (for example, I believe that settlers were disbanded as well as workers and military units in those two non-BtS releases).

Sun Tzu Wu

 

[TalladegaKnight]

The short answer is "Do not pay and let your units go on strike".

For BtS, you can ignore unit strikes due to not having enough wealth to pay for them, after your opponents are so badly beaten/exhausted they can not attack, much less form viable stacks. For BtS, settlers and the last MP unit in each city are immune from disbanding due to a non-payable deficit. Note that workers and all other military units will be disbanded, but you don't need them any more to win. Note that for Vanilla and Warlords, more unit types are disbanded in strikes than in BtS (for example, I believe that settlers were disbanded as well as workers and military units in those two non-BtS releases).

Sun Tzu Wu

Good to know. Pre 1 AD should be possible. Current HOF date is 600 AD. That's easily beatable. Even oracling Currency, teching COL, and bungling one war, I was able to get 400 AD.

Thanks Wu

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[mattie_p]

Well, I just submitted my first attempt at this, achieved domination at exactly 800AD, on turn 150.

I built no wonders, although I conquered all 4 built by the end of the game (Oracle, Stonehenge (my first target), Great Wall and Pyramids), and wiped 4 civs in the process.

Not a bad attempt, if I do say so myself, but having done it now I think I can do better. We'll see if I can find the time to try again.

 

[WastinTime]

and wiped 4 civs in the process.

I suggest going with max opponents. that's more free cities and more cities close to your capital. IIRC, on Prince, the AI will leave the capital empty briefly, and Sitting Bull starts with a warrior, so you should be able to start the game with 2 capitals! unless normal speed is just too fast. I don't have a lot of experience on Prince/normal, so I'm not sure.

The current Deity record is 50 AD and that was done with max opponents where each AI starts with 2 cities.

I would just research Bronze and let the Dog's out. Let the AI hook up metals.

 

[TheSunIsDark]

I suggest going with max opponents. that's more free cities and more cities close to your capital. IIRC, on Prince, the AI will leave the capital empty briefly, and Sitting Bull starts with a warrior, so you should be able to start the game with 2 capitals! unless normal speed is just too fast. I don't have a lot of experience on Prince/normal, so I'm not sure.

The current Deity record is 50 AD and that was done with max opponents where each AI starts with 2 cities.

I would just research Bronze and let the Dog's out. Let the AI hook up metals.

Probably too fast to walk your starting warrior into their capitals. Five turns with a 3-hammer start, eight with a 2-hammer start. Although, as it's the HOF, might have to risk it.

 

[TalladegaKnight]

Probably too fast to walk your starting warrior into their capitals. Five turns with a 3-hammer start, eight with a 2-hammer start. Although, as it's the HOF, might have to risk it.

Yep. That's what testing revealed for me too. Best bet so far is research BW 1st. Whip 2 dogs out and you can get 2 AI caps if close. I think 4 opponents is better than 7 from my test play throughs.

I was mistaken earlier, the current HOF date is 300 BC. He oracled COL, wiped out 3 civs and settled a bunch of cities. Did not see what he used to conquer the ai's with. 1st ai was with his initial warrior. He did it with an imperialistic leader on a Pangaea map.

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