[GS] Gathering Storm Unique Infrastructure Elimination Thread

[Weraptor]

2. Arabia - Madrasa [0] (3-3) ELIMINATED - Ultimately not as impactful as some of the rest of these can be under right circumstances.
3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [17]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [35]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [28]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [27]
24. Korea - Seowon [22]
25. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [4]
26. Mali - Suguba [27]
27. Maori - Marae [28]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [26] (25+1) Harbors are pretty great from now on, and this one gives extra production towards boats and settlers among other things.
38. Russia - Lavra [30]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]

 

[lotrmith]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [14] 17 - 3 This boils down to gold and housing, things I've never been in short supply of.
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [35]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [28]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [27]
24. Korea - Seowon [23] 22 + 1 Top three should be this, Lavra, and Acropolis.
25. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [4] I don't think many people doubt its strength, it's just a counterintuitive and cheesy way to play, kind of like Khmer. It simply feels wrong to convert production to science by building units and then deleting them. If this gave trained units the ability to harvest science with combat victories the way Gorgo harvests culture it would be admittedly less powerful but it would still feel better.
26. Mali - Suguba [27]
27. Maori - Marae [28] For below poster @Architect , this building basically reads "+1 faith and +1 culture per population in this city". It's kinda like having a slightly modified Pingala in every city.
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
38. Russia - Lavra [30]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [14]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [35]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [28]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [27]
24. Korea - Seowon [24] [23 -> 24] If a single unique can take an otherwise mediocre or bottom tier civ to a top 5 spot, it have to be a quite strong district.
25. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [4]
26. Mali - Suguba [24] [27 -> 24] A good district for a weak civ. Mail's -30% production modifier basically make this district is a must have instead of the purchase bonus being a civ bonus, basically it is hardly a choice and in the end this district is forced. If it was any other civ this one would rank alot higher but because of the unique situation Mali is in (and while arguments can be made that Mail's additional gold make it more useful) it is really only about getting rid of a penalty rather than adding a bonus unlike other uniques.
27. Maori - Marae [28]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [26]
38. Russia - Lavra [30]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]

 

[Architect]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [14]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [35]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [28]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28] (27 + 1) is the best UI now. You will almost never compete with the tiles its improves unlike all the remaining UI. Late game power and seasteads don't count.
24. Korea - Seowon [24]
25. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [4]
26. Mali - Suguba [24]
27. Maori - Marae [25] (28 - 3) I guess this is the best UB in the game somehow. Doesn't mean its better than what's left.
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [26]
38. Russia - Lavra [30]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]

 

[monstercat]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [14]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [35]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [28]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28]
24. Korea - Seowon [24]
25. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [4]
26. Mali - Suguba [21] (24 - 3) I agree with the above. This is only very good with Mali because of their Production penalty and vast hordes of gold. If you were to take this and put it with any other civ, it would be much weaker.
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [26]
38. Russia - Lavra [31] (30 + 1) Haven't upvoted this yet, but it is so easy for Russia to snatch Great WAMs with this district early.
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]

 

[KayAU]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [14]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [36] (35 + 1) I don't think I have upvoted this yet. The Acropolis is pretty great just for being a half price Theatre square, and even better for synergizing so well with Pericles. Top tier.
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [28]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28]
24. Korea - Seowon [24]
25. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [1] (4 - 3) I get that it is good if you create a swarm of units, but ultimately, even though that is probably a good strategy for Macedon, it is not something I really want to do, and I just like everything else on the list more at this point.
26. Mali - Suguba [21]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [26]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]

 

[Disgustipated]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [14]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [36]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [29] 28 + 1 Great boost to growth. I love big cities. What's not to like.
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28]
24. Korea - Seowon [24]
25. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [Eliminated] = 1 - 3 Too narrow a focus, and I simply don't like playing this way. It's a great boost in the early game, and deserves recognition as a great building, it's achieved a respectable rank. But I'm simply not going to continue building units for the hell of it.
26. Mali - Suguba [21]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [26]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]

 

[Loderingo]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [11] - 14-3 - I can see why this did so well last time BUT it has had a massive backdoor nerf through recent patches. When production and housing were really scarce this was top tier. Now that both are much easier to get, I would say it is only middling. Top 15 is fair but no higher
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [36]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [29]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28]
24. Korea - Seowon [24]
26. Mali - Suguba [21]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [26]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [19] 18+1 - Probably the best unique improvement now due to the early science boost

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Everything left is top of the line good. We're getting to the point for me where you could make a compelling argument to vote up ANY of these into the top 5, and strong arguments against any of them sound a little iffy. But since we have to . . .

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [11]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [36]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [29]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28]
24. Korea - Seowon [24]
26. Mali - Suguba [21]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [26+1=27] There are two unique harbors left and this one's better.
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [19-3=16] Now yeah I know, I get that the first rounds mean everything in building your game. But everything else equal I'd rather have something that scales through the game instead of being front-loaded. Yes, as I noted above, this is a weak argument.

 

[bengalryan9]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [12] (11+1) Gold and housing, two things I can pretty much always find a use for.
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [36]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [29]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28]
24. Korea - Seowon [24]
26. Mali - Suguba [21] I don't know, I think the 20% discount on purchases would be pretty useful no matter what civ I was playing. Couple that with the fact it's incredibly easy to get a +5 adjacency using holy sites and it being half price and I'm not sure that this should be going out just yet.
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [27]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [13] (16-3) It's a great boost early but it doesn't really scale through the rest of the game that well. You'll be sacrificing production to work these tiles, so how much does that science and culture really count for when it's holding up construction of your campuses and theater squares?

 

[The Highwayman]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [12]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [37] [36+1] Easily top 3. Helps win the game...and faster. No what ifs.
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [26] [29-3] Solid early on, but you only need so much food to get to pop 10 and harvesting often helps get there quickly. Mines and districts often take over these spots. You only need so much food and I sometimes struggle to keep cities from going over pop 10 as it is. Worthy of top ten as it helps jump start the game, but I don't think top 5.
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28]
24. Korea - Seowon [24]
26. Mali - Suguba [21]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [27]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [13]

 

[Krajzen]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [12]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [19-3=16]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [37]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [26]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28]
24. Korea - Seowon [24]
26. Mali - Suguba [21]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [27]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [13+1=14]

Royal Navy - yeah I know it is half cost district (so automatically quite good) but it should go out at this point. Unlike Cothon its other bonuses aren't that magnificent, and it is not a district you build in all cities (even on water maps).

Ziggurat - yes it scales badly into late game. But what does matter (Eternal problem of 4X game) is the early game and the earlier you snowball the better. And goddamn if you cannot snowball with +2 science per non-hill tile (plus 1 culture near river) available since turn 0.

 

[Ziad]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [9] (12 - 3) Well as amusing as the discussion about this unique has been, and as much as I enjoy it, I do think it's one of the weaker ones left on this list.
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [16]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [37]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [27] (26 + 1) While the yields aren't necessarily much better than the Mekewap if at all, the terrace farm is more satisfying. If you engineer the map, quite hilariously so.
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28]
24. Korea - Seowon [24]
26. Mali - Suguba [21]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [27]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [14]

 

[Troy Bruckner]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [9]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [16]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [37]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [27]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [28]
24. Korea - Seowon 21 [24-3]culture blows research out of the water early on. Korea is very overrated.
26. Mali - Suguba 22 [21+1] If you think Mali is weak then you are playing it wrong.
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [27]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [13]

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Already edited for the Ziggurat's score

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [9]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [16]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [37]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [27]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [29]=28+1 Probably still my favorite improvement, even better now that coastal cities are greatly improved
24. Korea - Seowon [21]
26. Mali - Suguba [22]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [27]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [11]=14-3 The problem is not that it doesnt scale into late game, it is that even when this improvement is in its prime (ancient & classical), its not that great either. You theoretically can put this in every non-Hill tiles, but do you want to sacrifice food, production and housing for that? Where can you find your citizens to work all of those non-Hill tiles after expending tons of builders' charges for that? What is the point of an improvement that is weak in low number but backfires horribly in great number?

 

[Datgingah]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [9]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [16]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [37]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [27]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [29]
24. Korea - Seowon [21]
26. Mali - Suguba [23] (22+1) If you think a half price commercial hub isn't amazing, and adding discounts isn't even more amazing then I don't even know how you play the midgame. The addition of holy site major adjacency helps a lot.
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [24] (27-3) Bonus healing to naval units is nice, and so is the production to them, but naval often just feels somewhat less important in games. And the settler bonus comes too late to be as great as once hoped.
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [11]

 

[aguliondew]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [10] 9+1 Its better than the Outback station which is why I am surprise that people are ranking it lower. You get more of everything plus gold and housing. This mean you do not have to build aqueduct, dams and neighborhood as often.
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [13] 16-3 Its the worst district left. It should be ranked lower.
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [37]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [27]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [29]
24. Korea - Seowon [21]
26. Mali - Suguba [23]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [24]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [11]

 

[Disgustipated]

]3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [10]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [13]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [37]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [28] 27 + 1 I'm still of the belief bigger is better. I know some of you stop at size 10. A size 10 city isn't very impressive. This can make your cities impressive. I would rather have a big, productive city over 2 with low production.
20. Indonesia - Kampung [29]
24. Korea - Seowon [21]
26. Mali - Suguba [23]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [24]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [8] 11 - 3 Great boost early, but wouldn't you rather have a campus instead? I would. It's hard enough getting a great scientist as is. Plus it impedes farming triangles and growing my cities big.

 

[Leucarum]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [7] (10-3) I like this improvement but I don't think it should go all the way to the top 5. I'm glad it stuck around, and the Cree are easily in my top 5 favourite civs to play. I'm downvoting as it's very dependant on resource distribution even though it can make mediocre tiles workable. I will only be downvoting once though.
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [13]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [37]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [28]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [29]
24. Korea - Seowon [21]
26. Mali - Suguba [23]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [24]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [9] (8+1) Extra of either science and culture early on is just gravy. Part of me even likes getting the culture more than the science...

 

[lotrmith]

3. Australia - Outback Station [21]
8. Cree - Mekewap [7]
11. England - Royal Navy Dockyard [13]
14. Germany - Hansa [26]
15. Greece - Acropolis [37]
18. Inca - Terrace Farm [28]
20. Indonesia - Kampung [29]
24. Korea - Seowon [22] 21 + 22 You can't culture your way out of a Hwacha beatdown.
26. Mali - Suguba [23]
27. Maori - Marae [25]
34. Persia - Pairidaeza [24] 27 - 3 This sleeper has lasted longer at this high position than it ever should have. The best thing about it is the Appeal which isn't useful, at all, until you're pushing the finish line.
35. Phoenicia - Cothon [24]
38. Russia - Lavra [31]
42. Sumeria - Ziggurat [9]