Generals from the Napoleonic Wars

[Steph]

Subscribed! I may need the info for my Napoleonic wars scenario as well.

The little trick is as it starts in 1815, I need general who were alive at this period. Here is my current list.

France
Napoleon
Berthier
Masséna
Augereau
Brune
Soult
Grouchy
Ney
Davout
Bessières
Kellermann
Lefebvre
Marmont
Suchet
Gouvion Saint-Cyr

Great Britain
Wellington
Craufurd
Graham
Uxbridge
Hill
Beresford
Picton
Brock
Cotton
Moore
Pakenham

Russia
Kutuzov
Bagration
Barclay de Tolly
Miloradovich
Platov
Wintzingerode
Wittgenstein
von Bennigsen
Dokhturov

Prussia
von Blücher
von Gneisenau
von Bülow
Kleist von Nollendorf
Hohenlohe-Ingelfingen
von Lützow
von Clausewitz

Austria
Mack von Leiberich
Johann von Österreich
Karl von Österreich-Teschen
Schwarzenberg
Mercy d'Argenteau
Württemberg

Ottoman
Orhan
Yusuf Pasha
Ahmet Pasha

Spain
Castaños
Palafox
Blake y Joyes
Ballesteros
Zayas y Chacón

Portugal
Andrade

Italy
No one . Italy is there for balance, it groups Piémont, Papal states, and other minor states in Northern Italy (I didn't want to make them individually).

Naples
Murat

Sweden
Karl Johan
von Stedingk

Denmark
Hauck
Steffens

Netherlands
van Bylandt
van Saksen-Weimar
baron Chassé
van Zoudtlandt

Bavaria (also includes Wurtemberg and Baden)
von Forbach
von Hertling
von Thalfingen

Saxony
Frederick Augustus

Poland
Kniaziewicz
Dabrowski
Chlopicki

Feel free to comment, correct or complete. The civs in red are particularily poor, and I'd like suggestions for them.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Bagration was mortally wounded at Borodino in 1812.
Bernadotte (not listed) was French Marshal until 1811 when he became King of Sweden.

 

[Steph]

Bagration was mortally wounded at Borodino in 1812.
Bernadotte (not listed) was French Marshal until 1811 when he became King of Sweden.

Bernadotte is listed as Karl Johan for Sweden.

Pyotr Bagration died at Borodino... But his brother Roman died in 1834

 

[nokmirt]

Subscribed! I may need the info for my Napoleonic wars scenario as well.

The little trick is as it starts in 1815, I need general who were alive at this period. Here is my current list.

France
Napoleon
Berthier
Masséna
Augereau
Brune
Soult
Grouchy
Ney
Davout
Bessières
Kellermann
Lefebvre
Marmont
Suchet
Gouvion Saint-Cyr

Great Britain
Wellington
Craufurd
Graham
Uxbridge
Hill
Beresford
Picton
Brock
Cotton
Moore
Pakenham

Russia
Kutuzov
Bagration
Barclay de Tolly
Miloradovich
Platov
Wintzingerode
Wittgenstein
von Bennigsen
Dokhturov

Prussia
von Blücher
von Gneisenau
von Bülow
Kleist von Nollendorf
Hohenlohe-Ingelfingen
von Lützow
von Clausewitz

Austria
Mack von Leiberich
Johann von Österreich
Karl von Österreich-Teschen
Schwarzenberg
Mercy d'Argenteau
Württemberg

Ottoman
Orhan
Yusuf Pasha
Ahmet Pasha

Spain
Castaños
Palafox
Blake y Joyes
Ballesteros
Zayas y Chacón

Portugal
Andrade

Italy
No one . Italy is there for balance, it groups Piémont, Papal states, and other minor states in Northern Italy (I didn't want to make them individually).

Naples
Murat

Sweden
Karl Johan
von Stedingk

Denmark
Hauck
Steffens

Netherlands
van Bylandt
van Saksen-Weimar
baron Chassé
van Zoudtlandt

Bavaria (also includes Wurtemberg and Baden)
von Forbach
von Hertling
von Thalfingen

Saxony
Frederick Augustus

Poland
Kniaziewicz
Dabrowski
Chlopicki

Feel free to comment, correct or complete. The civs in red are particularily poor, and I'd like suggestions for them.

Is your scenario dealing with the Hundred Days Steph? With my mod I think I am going to deal with the First Coalition and work my way up. Although, I was also thinking of a shorter scenario to go with it about the Siege of Toulon. Thanks for the list it will definitely come in handy.

 

[Steph]

Not exactly. Sandris made 1812+ units, so I wanted a late war scenario.

However, starting in 1812 was IMO too unbalanced. So the settings of the scenario is a return of Napoleon in 1815, but with no alliance at start : any country can ally with anyone. The map is roughly the map of the congress of Vienna, with a few changes:
- Northen Italy and Piemont are grouped as an "Italian" civ.
- Bavaria includes Baden / Wurtemberg.
- Ottomans controls Northern Africa (I could have made independant Morroco or Algeria, but they would be too weak).

 

[nokmirt]

Not exactly. Sandris made 1812+ units, so I wanted a late war scenario.

However, starting in 1812 was IMO too unbalanced. So the settings of the scenario is a return of Napoleon in 1815, but with no alliance at start : any country can ally with anyone. The map is roughly the map of the congress of Vienna, with a few changes:
- Northen Italy and Piemont are grouped as an "Italian" civ.
- Bavaria includes Baden / Wurtemberg.
- Ottomans controls Northern Africa (I could have made independant Morroco or Algeria, but they would be too weak).

Sounds interesting, what I did was add Morocco, and the Barbary Coast(Tripoli, which is a regency of the Ottoman Empire, but basically they governed themselves in day to day affairs.) What happens is both of these civs become vassals of the Ottoman Empire, and are under its protection. In civ 3 the turks controlling North Africa sounds about right. I do not have Bavaria in this mod, because the map is a bit smaller, in the new mod with a much larger map, I will remedy that. I also am going to give France a lancer unit. The other question was Poland, I am not sure what to do about Poland, it is part of the Russian Empire. Just one of the issues I have been brainstorming on.

 

[Agent327]

Britain

Berkeley
Calder, Sir Robert
Cockburn, Sir George
Cochrane, Thomas
Cornwallis, William
Hood, Samuel
Hotham
Malcolm

France

de Bougainville
Brueys
Bruix
Ganteaume
Magon
Missiessy
Touche-Tréville, Louis de la
Truguet
Villeneuve


Colonels (France, except: )

Bingham (Britain)

Davidov (Russia)

Colonna-Cesari
Maillard
Montfort
Planat
Sebastiani


Majors

Delessart (France)
Jackson (Britain)

 

[Steph]

Sounds interesting, what I did was add Morocco, and the Barbary Coast(Tripoli, which is a regency of the Ottoman Empire, but basically they governed themselves in day to day affairs.) What happens is both of these civs become vassals of the Ottoman Empire, and are under its protection. In civ 3 the turks controlling North Africa sounds about right.

Well, you can either have as separate countries the empire of Morroco and Fes, the Regency (Beylik) of Al Djazaïr, the regency (Beylik) of Tunis, the Pachalik of Western Tripolitania, etc. Or just have one big Ottoman. I didn't want to have all of them independant.

The other question was Poland, I am not sure what to do about Poland, it is part of the Russian Empire. Just one of the issues I have been brainstorming on.

It depends of the date. At sometime it's independant, at some it is not.

 

[nokmirt]

Ok, today I am going to work on my map for my Napoleon map for BTS, as well as add a tech or two to my tech tree. What I would like to know, since I am placing cities on th British Isles, Ireland, and Gibraltar, what resources would have been present in those areas? I would like to realisticially place resources by what the areas contained in real life. Thanks for any help, I will be looking for info as well, but it helps when somebody finds info that you don't.

I was thinking of changing the tech tree, but I am going to keep the original for now to get the base mod up and running on BTS.

Also if anyone can find a decent map of the Britain, Ireland, even Gibraltar anywhere from say 1793-1800 or in that range somewhere, would be a big help. By the end of the day Britain will start looking like Britain. Then we can move on too France.

My plan is to add cities and civs as I go along, as well as flags. I will lay roads, mines, and pastures, resources. Placement of cities in the right place is key. After the map and civs are up, hopefully the techs and buildings and unit xmls should be finished. If not I will finish them at that point. Then we can talk about armies and placement of troops and ships. Unlike the old mod, mine will have generals, commanders were a special all important part of how the Napoleonic wars turned out. They have to be in the forefront, it was a giant contest between commanders of armies. I would compare it to two gentlemen playing chess over a real life chess board. That's why at Waterloo, when asked if he would like to shoot Napoleon while displaying himself on his white horse to rally his troops before the battle. Wellington replied, "Commanders have something better to do than fire at each other." Thank you

 

[AmazonQueen]

Louis Lazare Hoche - French, soldier, general and briefly War Minister.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/lists_napoleons_marshals.html has a list of the 26 Marshal's Napoleon appointed

 

[nokmirt]

Louis Lazare Hoche - French, soldier, general and briefly War Minister.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/lists_napoleons_marshals.html has a list of the 26 Marshal's Napoleon appointed

Yes indeed, very helpful, Marshall Ney could have, should have escaped. The King's government had given him and severals others a way out, to be able to escape into exile. Secretly, France did not want her heroes executed, how could murdering distinguished men help strengthen the state.

In any case the émigrés- and the extreme right-wing "ultra-royalists" - demanded retribution against Ney (and other high-profile officers and politicians of the First Empire). Also included would be the hateful, Marie-Therese-Charlotte de Bourbon, duchesse d'Angouleme had great reason to hate members of France's post-Revolutionary regimes. She was the only surviving child of King Louis XVI's family; her father had been guillotined on 21.01.1793, her mother - Queen Marie-Antoinette - was guillotined on 16.10.1793, her 10-year-old brother, Louis-Charles (duc de Normandie, later "King Louis XVII") died in prison on 08.06.1795. What her brother went through is unforgivable, in this sense I don't blame her for vengeance. If this was not bad enough for Ney and others, the English also had their part to play, which was ultimately deplorable. The outrageousness of the whole thing was that Ney was judged by fellow marshalls of the First Empire.

Marshal Bon-Adrien Jeannot de Moncey, duc de Conigliano refused the king's request to oversee the trial, saying, putting his honor at stake was something he could not live with, and I agree(He was imprisoned for 90 days and lost his rank for eight years). The council that presided over Ney's trial were as follows, Marshall's Jourdan, Massena, Augereau, and Mortier. These men believed the chamber of peers would aquit him, not so, there are two many pre-revolution aristocracy members on board to have sympathy for Ney.

Fyffe explains. "Had the men who sat in judgment upon him been a body of Vendean peasants who had braved fire and sword for the Bourbon cause, the sentence of death might have been pronounced with pure, though stern lips: it remains a deep disgrace to France that among the peers who voted not only for Ney's condemnation but for his death, there were some who had themselves accepted office and pay from Napoleon during the Hundred Days." Excerpt from C.A. Fyffe's 1880 book, History of Modern Europe.

However, the fact is the political pressure from the ultra-royalists was too great for the king to grant any kind of clemency to Marshall Ney, and it has been a stain on the honor of France ever since.

 

[vogtmurr]

Marshal Bon-Adrien Jeannot de Moncey, duc de Conigliano refused the king's request to oversee the trial, saying, putting his honor at stake was something he could not live with, and I agree(He was imprisoned for 90 days and lost his rank for eight years). The council that presided over Ney's trial were as follows, Marshall's Jourdan, Massena, Augereau, and Mortier. These men believed the chamber of peers would aquit him, not so, there are two many pre-revolution aristocracy members on board to have sympathy for Ney.

According to what I read, Massena was disinclined to prove his royalist loyalties after the defeat of Napoleon. He was part of this appointed council that refused to try Marshal Michel Ney - but it went ahead anyway. As a small gesture from those who carried it out, Ney was allowed to dispense with the blindfold and issue the last order: "Soldiers, when I give the command to fire, fire straight at my heart. Wait for the order. It will be my last to you. I protest against my condemnation. I have fought a hundred battles for France, and not one against her ... Soldiers, Fire".

According to a fable still maintained to this day, Wellington (a fellow freemason), helped Ney escape by faking the execution, who turned up in the US as a teacher, dying in 1846.

 

[nokmirt]

According to what I read, Massena was disinclined to prove his royalist loyalties after the defeat of Napoleon. He was part of this appointed council that refused to try Marshal Michel Ney - but it went ahead anyway.

Yes, you are right, Massena did want to save him and it did go through due to political pressure.

 

[nokmirt]

Check this out

http://www.blackmerlodge.org/PETER%20STUART%20NEY.pdf

 

[vogtmurr]

Quite the story. His last words on his deathbed were supposedly "Bessières is dead; the Old Guard is dead; now, please, let me die".

 

[nokmirt]

Quite the story. His last words on his deathbed were supposedly "Bessières is dead; the Old Guard is dead; now, please, let me die".

Really I have to get a book on him, he's probably my favorite Marshall. He may have not been the best tactician, but he had a heart of iron. His men loved him. He was the bravest of the brave.

 

[Steph]

I like how Murat ordered the charge.

"Messieurs, en selle. Direction, mon cu!"

"Sirs, up the saddle. Toward : my ass!"

And then he charged in front of his unit.

Not the smartest thing to do, but it shows some balls

 

[privatehudson]

I've always found Thomas Graham quite an interesting if largely overlooked general. He actually sympathised with revolutionary France in its infancy but became vehemently anti-French after an incident in 1792. His wife had died in the south of France and he was trying to return her body in a coffin to Scotland. Near Tolouse French soldiers stopped him, opened the coffin and molested his wife's body. From that point onward he saw military service as a chance to avenge himself on France and raised a Regiment to fight in the wars. The highlight of his long career was Barossa where his forces attacked nearly twice their number of French troops and beat them soundly. He also served in Egypt, with Moore at Corruna and was second in command of the British forces in the Peninsula for a few years.

Sadly since he missed Waterloo and battles like Talavera he's not as well known to the public as Picton, Hill or Uxbridge.

 

[nokmirt]

I've always found Thomas Graham quite an interesting if largely overlooked general. He actually sympathised with revolutionary France in its infancy but became vehemently anti-French after an incident in 1792. His wife had died in the south of France and he was trying to return her body in a coffin to Scotland. Near Tolouse French soldiers stopped him, opened the coffin and molested his wife's body. From that point onward he saw military service as a chance to avenge himself on France and raised a Regiment to fight in the wars. The highlight of his long career was Barossa where his forces attacked nearly twice their number of French troops and beat them soundly. He also served in Egypt, with Moore at Corruna and was second in command of the British forces in the Peninsula for a few years.

Sadly since he missed Waterloo and battles like Talavera he's not as well known to the public as Picton, Hill or Uxbridge.

Sounds like an interesting person, I have not heard of him before. Let me do some reading up about him.

 

[nokmirt]

Would anyone know what musket the Swedish army would have been using around 1800?