George Soros: the most evil human being since Adolf Stalin

[amadeus]

I don't see a problem here, since Soros is a major bank roller of left-leaning or left-wing organizations. Plus, you have to admit that he's a bit scummy when you think that he criticizes currency speculation, yet made some of his fortune from exactly that.

 

[Part_Time_Civer]

So Soros is evil because he funds left wing political organizations? It is legal in the US for political organizations to be funded by private individuals right? Or is it the ideas these organizations promote which make Soros evil?

 

[Murky]

I think a person's opinion of George Soros is directly related to where they're getting their information. If you're getting the information from right-wing sites and media then no doubt you'll develop an unfavorable view of him.

I didn't know much about him until I read the Wiki pages on him and some other related information. It seems to me the primary reason the right-wing hates him because he funded opposition to Bush's re-election bid in 2004. If not for that he would just be another rich guy who benefited from Bush's tax cuts and from free market capitalism. If he hadn't opposed Bush then he wouldn't even be a blip on their radar screens.

 

[Merkinball]

Soros has been a blip on the radar since he 1992.

 

[Phlegmak]

First of all, liberal and left-wing are thrown around so often that they are nigh meaningless. In my opinion, they really are meaningless, but a lot of people differ with that, so I said "nigh" meaningless.

He funds too many left wing radical groups to be either a good person or cool.

Does he fund Moveon.org and more than a few orgs left of that?

A simple yes or no will do.

That's not good enough. You're simply saying, "He's a librul! Gorsh, I hate dem libruls!"

In addition to moveon.org, Soros is the money behind air-america.

So what?

He's also a huge fanboy of Chomsky and anything remotely supporting communism.

Eh, I'm going to have to see some actual proof of that. I don't care about the Chomsky part, but rather I want proof of the Communism part. He's a vastly wealthy man, so I'm not seeing the Communist angle.

See how easy that is. When you're too stupid to have a point it's very easy to call someone a robot. See, even I can do it. Can you please post a link where someone from Fox compared Soros to Hitler or Stalin?

I love these new liberal kiddies. Disagree with them and you don't get a discussion you get name calling or a list of MoveOn talking points. Pretty similar to the lib candidates. You don't get solutions, but they're really good at pointing out problems.

Let me make things easy for you.
* I didn't say that Fox "News" robots called him Hitler or Stalin. I put that in my title to make fun of Fox "News" robots and everyone else in this thread who thinks he's evil by calling him a liberal, or left leaning. You'll notice he got called a Communist already in the thread.
* I'm not a liberal.
I hope that cleared up your clouded brain.

Well, the two are most certainly not mutually exclusive wouldnt you say?

Funding an organization that labels a general 'betray-us' simply because they dont like the news he is giving isnt what I call patriotic.

You, however, are free to draw your own conclusions.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out the problems in one's own nation. There is a LOT wrong with ignoring the problems in one's own nation.

It would have been better if moveon.org didn't call him betray us, but if he's just parroting Bush-administration talking points, then he deserves all the derision he can get.

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It seems to me the primary reason the right-wing hates him because he funded opposition to Bush's re-election bid in 2004. If not for that he would just be another rich guy who benefited from Bush's tax cuts and from free market capitalism. If he hadn't opposed Bush then he wouldn't even be a blip on their radar screens.

That's what I gathered as well. I had never heard of the guy until sometime in the last 2 or 3 years. But oh well, I haven't heard of a lot of people that Fox "News" robots want to demonize.

Soros has been a blip on the radar since he 1992.

What evil has he concocted since 1992?

So, all I have so far that he's done bad is currency speculation. I have no proof of that, so I'll just read about it later. If he actually has hurt economies, then ok, you got something there. As for the Communist angle, I don't see it. And for being a liberal, you're going to have to try much harder than that. A Bush-follower, Republican, conservative, or whatever you want to call yourself, calling another person a liberal is the intellectual equivalent of anybody calling someone else a Nazi. It's dumb and meaningless.

 

[Bill3000]

I hate these hackery threads.

 

[Murky]

"When I give food to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Dom Helder Camara

 

[MobBoss]

That's not good enough. You're simply saying, "He's a librul! Gorsh, I hate dem libruls!"

Nope...I am saying much more than that, but you dont want to hear it. I dont care that its not good enough for you. Its good enough for me.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out the problems in one's own nation. There is a LOT wrong with ignoring the problems in one's own nation.

Accusing the Commander in Iraq of betrayal because of his opinion of operations in Iraq isnt pointing out the problems in the nation. And if you think it is, then your opinion is so warped as to not be worthy of any attention anyway.

It would have been better if moveon.org didn't call him betray us, but if he's just parroting Bush-administration talking points, then he deserves all the derision he can get.

But he wasnt. And thats the point. The problem in this nation is entities that mislabel and misrepresent someone like Petraeus simply in order to score political points.....and those that fund them for their own political agendas.

That's what I gathered as well. I had never heard of the guy until sometime in the last 2 or 3 years. But oh well, I haven't heard of a lot of people that Fox "News" robots want to demonize.

Dude...you watch far more Foxnews that most of those people you label 'robots'.

 

[cubsfan6506]

He's also a huge fanboy of Chomsky and anything remotely supporting communism.

(t)he conventional view, shared by many on the left, is that socialism collapsed in eastern Europe because of its systemic weaknesses and the political elite's failure to build popular support.

That may be partly true, but Soros's role was crucial. From 1979, he distributed $3m a year to dissidents including Poland's Solidarity movement, Charter 77 in Czechoslovakia and Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union. In 1984, he founded his first Open Society Institute in Hungary and pumped millions of dollars into opposition movements and independent media

—Clark, Neil. Soros Profile. the New Statesman. Retrieved on 2007-06-06.

 

[Phlegmak]

Dude...you watch far more Foxnews that most of those people you label 'robots'.

I knew that was coming. The only reason you keep saying that is because I make threads you don't like. You're simply trying to create cognitive dissonance in me to get me to stop posting things you don't like. When you say stupid crap like the above, it's gratifying to know that I have bothered you. So thanks for the approval.

 

[illram]

I would not put the swift-boaters in the same camp as moveon.org. They were focused on an individual at a particular point in time. They were not general propoganda spreaders, nor were they slanderers (no suits against them).

In addition to moveon.org, Soros is the money behind air-america.

He's also a huge fanboy of Chomsky and anything remotely supporting communism.


I'll give him credit for one thing: He sees the "war on drugs" for the wasteful lie it is.

So many wrong things in this post, I don't know where to start:

First, if you don't think that swift boat was slandering, then you don't know what slander is. On a scale of bat-shiat crazy political groups SBVT is waaaaay higher up the ladder than Moveon. Moveon at least has some semblance of a legitimate political group. SBVT has zero, zilch.

Second, do you think Noam Chomsky is a communist? I'll give you a second chance there.

Third, "anything remotely supporting communism?" What is that? Like, government funded health care? The guy is a billionaire. You really think he would advocate a political system that wouldn't allow him to amass the current fortune he is sitting on?

Soros is a billionaire who happens to lean left with his money. How many countless billionaires are there who lean right? If you and others in this thread want to criticize the man for his politics you need to do better than this.

 

[illram]

But he wasnt. And thats the point. The problem in this nation is entities that mislabel and misrepresent someone like Petraeus simply in order to score political points.....and those that fund them for their own political agendas.

I'm assuming you are equally disdainful of wealthy republicans and their donations to republican political groups that "mislabel and misrepresent" people "in order to score political points?"

 

[MobBoss]

I knew that was coming. The only reason you keep saying that is because I make threads you don't like.

Not at all. My point is you make more threads about Foxnews than anyone else. Apparently you dont like me pointing that out. /oh well.

I also see that what you say here is not a denial that you watch a lot of Foxnews. Heh.

You're simply trying to create cognitive dissonance in me to get me to stop posting things you don't like.

I dont care what you post at all. In fact, I rather enjoy replying and countering most of the silly stuff you post to be honest.

When you say stupid crap like the above, it's gratifying to know that I have bothered you. So thanks for the approval.

Keep watching Foxnews! It helps their ratings!

 

[MobBoss]

I'm assuming you are equally disdainful of wealthy republicans and their donations to republican political groups that "mislabel and misrepresent" people "in order to score political points?"

Name some and I will tell you if I disdain them or not.

 

[Ecofarm]

Eh, I'm going to have to see some actual proof of that. I don't care about the Chomsky part, but rather I want proof of the Communism part. He's a vastly wealthy man, so I'm not seeing the Communist angle.

Ok

"The Capitalist Threat" by George Soros
Atlantic Monthly, Volume 279, No. 2, February 1997

What kind of society do we want? "Let the free market decide!" is the often-heard response. That response, a prominent capitalist argues,undermines the very values on which open and democratic societies depend.

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IN The Philosophy of History, Hegel discerned a disturbing historical pattern -- the crack and fall of civilizations owing to a morbid intensification of their own first principles. Although I have made a fortune in the financial markets, I now fear that the untrammeled intensification of laissez-faire capitalism and the spread of market values into all areas of life is endangering our open and democratic society. The main enemy of the open society, I believe, is no longer the communist but the capitalist threat.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/soros.htm


Then there are those who would qualify moveon.org as "pro-communist". I haven't read enough from moveon.org to decide on that myself.

Then there are those who point out his nefarious dealings with communists in South Africa and other places.

But to be fair, just read his words in the article above. To be completely fair, remember that Soros has opposed communism in the past and appears to favor a mixed economy. I'm not saying he is a card-carrying member (I wouldn't even call him a communist - he's a socialist), but the article is disconcerting. And he will support just about anything left wing. How far left? I suppose that's debatable.

 

[cubsfan6506]

He is simply replying that those to the right on the political spectrum are dangerous. Not because he is a communist. Because they are authoritorian.

 

[cubsfan6506]

He is simply replying that those to the right on the political spectrum are dangerous. Not because he is a communist. Because they are authoritorian.

 

[Merkinball]

What evil has he concocted since 1992?

So, all I have so far that he's done bad is currency speculation. I have no proof of that, so I'll just read about it later. If he actually has hurt economies, then ok, you got something there. As for the Communist angle, I don't see it. And for being a liberal, you're going to have to try much harder than that. A Bush-follower, Republican, conservative, or whatever you want to call yourself, calling another person a liberal is the intellectual equivalent of anybody calling someone else a Nazi. It's dumb and meaningless. - Phlegmak

What evil has he conconcted since 1992? He basically single handedly crashed the entire Malaysian economy and was responsible for the Asian Market crisis in 1997. Soros is notorious for going beyond currency speculation. It's currency manipulation, and he does it such aggressive manners that it has significant negative impact on others economies for his own personal financial gain. His money has been tied, but he's never been indicted on, money laundering to central American drug Lords.

There were threats that he was going to short sell billions of dollars in the 04 election to undermine the American economy to influence the election. Not to mention, that he spent over $25,000,000 against Bush. and it's not the direction it went, but the amount that was spent that is bothersome. Now, spending money like that is his own personal peragative and I don't inherently fault him for that. But when HIS OWN PEOPLE that he supports are putting various restrictions on campaign finance, and Soros goes and does this BS, it's scheisty at best.

I never said he was a communist, or a liberal, (but he's a socialist) he did a lot to destroy dictorial communism. I said he's anti-American. Maybe it was somewhat poor word choice, but he's basically trying to shape the world into his own mold, and he'll do anything, and spend anything in effort to do that. He has absolutely no regard for the carnage he leaves in the wake of people who dare to cross him. That's evil.

He's been indicted numerous times on multi-million dollar insider trading schemes. He was convicted in France. Even his philanthropic donations have been called into question.

Read up on his comments about anti-semitism in regards to Bush. His support of gun control. His money has gone to support convicted terrorists and suicide bombers. His money has been found "influencing" NASA and its global warming research. His money in OSI was used to legally fight cross checking air passengers names with terrorist watch lists. He's given cash to lawyers who fought a Texas law that was used to track known terrorists cell phone transmissions. He funds La Raza.

Tip of the iceberg?

It's amazing because liberals always complain about how awful big money and big business is in shaping policy and even culture. Personally, I don't morally agree with people with money using it to shape policy. I believe these people need to have integrity and not weild their power irresponsibly. These people should be disciplined. But constitutionally I don't want their free speech infringed upon. In the grand scheme of things though, I find it ridiculously hypocritical that people damn big business, CEO's, and PAC's, while they cheerlead George Soros who is the single largest contributor to US politics by a wide margin.

 

[Merkinball]

Soros is a billionaire who happens to lean left with his money. How many countless billionaires are there who lean right? - illram

And how many of them are out there spending money like Soros? How many of them are forming PAC's and 527's like Soros? How many of them have a history of currency manipulation to shape politics?

 

[Phlegmak]

Thanks, Merkinball. You've actually given me something to work with. I'll peruse it later.

Not at all. My point is you make more threads about Foxnews than anyone else. Apparently you dont like me pointing that out. /oh well.

I also see that what you say here is not a denial that you watch a lot of Foxnews. Heh.



I dont care what you post at all. In fact, I rather enjoy replying and countering most of the silly stuff you post to be honest.



Keep watching Foxnews! It helps their ratings!

That's exactly what I was talking about. It's the same stupidity when you say I am obsessed with Bill O'Reilly or Youtube. Neither have anything to do with any topic at hand, but you say it anyway. No, it's all cognitive dissonance you're trying to pull. And the fact that you responded to this thread, and the Bill O'Reilly thread, and the thread about Dick Cheney saying things 7 years ago that are the opposite of what he says now, means you do indeed care about what I post.

So thanks again.