Giant Death Robot in Civ !?

[tom2050]

I doubt such huge tanks were designed mainly for combat but to demoralize the opponent. Psychological warfare is a powerful weapon in itself. And a demoralized opponent is a halfway conquered one.

How would a tank hidden away and never seen demoralize an enemy and halfway win the war? It doesn't. The Maus was on the proving grounds when it was sabotaged by the Soviets. The superheavy tank designs were not practical for use; and history has proven they are still not, since none have been pursued.

I will believe what history has shown is the true case.

 

[Alki]

Future war is going to be more about survivability for the user than ever before especially for rich coutries like the US. More drones and fire and forget smart weapons. More remote smart weapons systems and robot sentries.

It'll be loads of Small Death Robots rather than one large death robot.

 

[cr0ws]

How would a tank hidden away and never seen demoralize an enemy and halfway win the war? It doesn't. The Maus was on the proving grounds when it was sabotaged by the Soviets. The superheavy tank designs were not practical for use; and history has proven they are still not, since none have been pursued.

I will believe what history has shown is the true case.

Whoosh! Point missed your head like an arrow.

To clearify, it's purpose of design was not mainly to pulverize enemy lines but to scare and demoralize the enemy. Consider this...you are in your puny little armored vehicle and you see a massive land-mobiled battleship with turrets the size of whale penises coming at your direction...first of it's kind, you've never seen such a thing. First thing comes across your mind is "Oh crap, my chances of survival are slim, I'm dead meat for sure, I better GTFO out of this thing and make on foot away from it's direction before it sees me." that's psychologically demoralizing your enemy.

It's why the pentagon sends in these MASSIVE unnecessarily OVERSIZED aircraft carriers into third world seas....you can tell some kind of "arrangements" are being made , it's there to intimidate and demoralize them. Just like the main purpose NATO and UN build "military bases" in foreign countries is not to protect them, it's to intimidate and demoralize them. get it?

 

[cr0ws]

Future war is going to be more about survivability for the user than ever before especially for rich coutries like the US. More drones and fire and forget smart weapons. More remote smart weapons systems and robot sentries.

It'll be loads of Small Death Robots rather than one large death robot.

USA is rich? lol! Then why do countries like Iran call the US dollar a "worthless piece of toilet paper". hmmmm?

 

[12agnar0k]

because thats what it looks like.

 

[Alki]

USA is rich? lol! Then why do countries like Iran call the US dollar a "worthless piece of toilet paper". hmmmm?

The US spend more than anyone else in the world on weaponolgy (hey I made up a new word!). That makes them rich when we're talking about spending money on bombs and keeping soldiers alive on the battlefield.

 

[tom2050]

Whoosh! Point missed your head like an arrow.

To clearify, it's purpose of design was not mainly to pulverize enemy lines but to scare and demoralize the enemy. Consider this...you are in your puny little armored vehicle and you see a massive land-mobiled battleship with turrets the size of whale penises coming at your direction...first of it's kind, you've never seen such a thing. First thing comes across your mind is "Oh crap, my chances of survival are slim, I'm dead meat for sure, I better GTFO out of this thing and make on foot away from it's direction before it sees me." that's psychologically demoralizing your enemy.

It's why the pentagon sends in these MASSIVE unnecessarily OVERSIZED aircraft carriers into third world seas....you can tell some kind of "arrangements" are being made , it's there to intimidate and demoralize them. Get it?

Is there a reason why aircraft carriers should be the size of a raft? Aircraft carriers are a completely different thing than tanks. They need to carry a fair number of aircraft, be able to manage and perform maintenance on them, give quarters to the large contingent of sailors aboard.

And oversized compared to what? WW2 sized carriers? Sounds like you have some kind of large chip on your shoulder.

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About the superheavy tanks, they were prone to getting stuck in the mud due to their weight, not traveling very fast at all due to the very high engine power needed to propel them, they had to be constantly refueled and had short range.

So if a tank crew did see one: it could not unrun them, and has a high chance of getting stuck in any type of soft ground (requiring a massive rescue effort). Sure, there is the 'wow' factor, but at such a huge size, you wouldn't have much of an issue with it 'catching you by surprise'.

I know what your point was, but you still seem to think that they are advantageous to create, whereas history has shown you are flat-out wrong.

You miss the more demoralizing point to the country that built it once the slow behemoth is quickly put out of business after the much greater financial and resource burden.

 

[cr0ws]

The US spend more than anyone else in the world on weaponolgy (hey I made up a new word!). That makes them rich when we're talking about spending money on bombs and keeping soldiers alive on the battlefield.

Exactly, and that's why american internal infrastructure is rotting and crumbling, america's slow conversion into a corporate-military-fascist state is leaching vital funds from social programs as schools, job creation, etc etc. What's happening to USA is what the USSR went through.

I get a laugh reading news at what's happening in USA politics, I think it's more corrupt than USSR was. A nation's wealth is not determined by the size of it's military industrial complex my friend. Such things can go bankrupt in a couple years. Then all you have is a bunch of unemployed military personel

 

[Alki]

The main reason that carriers are so large is that they need to carry a runway on the top. If The Navy leaves one of the coast of Somalia it sure is gonna look impressive but that is not the main reason it is so big.

 

[Alki]

I have friends from San Fran, granted left leaning liberal commie loveing pinkos like myself, who claim that US is a 3rd world country.

 

[tom2050]

Exactly, and that's why american internal infrastructure is rotting and crumbling, america's slow conversion into a corporate-military-fascist state is leaching vital funds from social programs as schools, job creation, etc etc. What's happening to USA is what the USSR went through.

I get a laugh reading news at what's happening in USA politics, I think it's more corrupted than USSR was. A nation's wealth is not determined by the size of it's military industrial complex my friend. Such things can go bankrupt in a couple years. Then all you have is a bunch of unemployed military personel

Just look at cr0ws avatar, it's pretty obvious that you hate the US. I suppose you have equal hatred or dislike to everything western? It's irresponsible government officials that spend out of control that are causing the US debt. They (some, not all) believe in Democratic Socialism (according to some of the current govt cabinet members, I didn't whisp that word up). Look at some of the European countries that are getting away from that type of similar system. It's because it doesn't do well economically.

I don't laugh at any plight of other nations and other people of any country. It shows the type of person you are, though... There is never a shortage of people to bash the US or Israel with misfounded information. Furthermore, your 1st sentence is completely wrong based on funds spent.

You didn't know why aircraft carriers were the size they are, so with that said, I wouldn't believe anything else you say either. Where-ever is the facepalm when you need one.

 

[aziantuntija]

However, if an exoskeleton is in mainstream service, then humanoid robots can't be far behind them, because they are essentially just an exoskeleton without a person taking up space inside it (which means more space for power cells, ammunition etc).

That 'extra' space that human takes inside that exoskeleton is called the "Space for Cheap and Superior Intelligent & Swift moving -component", aka human.

They could be piloted exactly like a human would pilot an exoskeleton, except with the "pilot" sitting inside a secure bunker thirty kilometers away from the battle, or even on the other side of the world (although you get latency issues when you're that far away).

Sounds like playing Crysis in real world! But unfortunately 30 km of distance for knowledge to travel so that the exoskeleton would perform even the smallest task does sound like a very woulnurable system! When that code is broke all hell breaks loose for "real world Crysis" -players! And all this risk just to protect the soldiers who are trained to dive on granade "for king and country" to save fellow soldiers? Doesnt too prudent to me..

 

[cr0ws]

Just look at cr0ws avatar, it's pretty obvious that you hate the US. I suppose you have equal hatred or dislike to everything western? It's irresponsible government officials that spend out of control that are causing the US debt. They (some, not all) believe in Democratic Socialism (according to some of the current govt cabinet members, I didn't whisp that word up). Look at some of the European countries that are getting away from that type of similar system. It's because it doesn't do well economically.

I don't laugh at any plight of other nations and other people of any country. It shows the type of person you are, though... There is never a shortage of people to bash the US or Israel with misfounded information. Furthermore, your 1st sentence is completely wrong based on funds spent.

You didn't know why aircraft carriers were the size they are, so with that said, I wouldn't believe anything else you say either. Where-ever is the facepalm when you need one.

My avatar shows no sign of hatred for the west, I've got family and relatives there so how could I hate "the west"?

 

[tom2050]

Right... what a laugh. Avatar where close to 3000 people died, with a punchline. Perhaps your happy where attacks like this kill masses of civilians worldwide? Everyone can see it for themselves. Regardless, from the happiness you display at certain countries problems, seems 9-11 (with the avatar you display) gives you a good laugh. Congratulations in getting a good laugh (or w/e it does for you) over people dying.

 

[cr0ws]

Right... what a laugh. Avatar where close to 3000 people died, with a punchline. Perhaps your happy where attacks like this kill masses of civilians worldwide? Everyone can see it for themselves. Regardless, from the happiness you display at certain countries problems, seems 9-11 (with the avatar you display) gives you a good laugh. Congratulations in getting a good laugh (or w/e it does for you) over people dying.

To be straight out honest with you, I could not care if all of new york was vaporized and disappeared from the face of the earth. All my closest family and relatives left that rat nest after the whole 9/11 thing.

 

[Psyringe]

This thread has devolved into a state where the assessment "it has outlived its usefulness" would be a euphemism of gargantuan proportions.

 

[tom2050]

To be straight out honest with you, I could not care if all of new york was vaporized and disappeared from the face of the earth. All my closest family and relatives left that rat nest after the whole 9/11 thing.

That's what I told you to begin with. If you could care less that 19 million people die, then I suppose the word 'hate' would be the obvious one I would pick.

 

[cr0ws]

That's what I told you to begin with. If you could care less that 19 million people die, then I suppose the word 'hate' would be the obvious one I would pick.

Oh com on now..lets get real...I didn't say I like all of the west...just some parts of it.

Oh and BTW...that aint hate..I'd see THIS as hate though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTmElGq2U-o
The part where he says "That ain't Falco!" really gets my blood boiling!

 

[adam_grif]

To clearify, it's purpose of design was not mainly to pulverize enemy lines but to scare and demoralize the enemy. Consider this...you are in your puny little armored vehicle and you see a massive land-mobiled battleship with turrets the size of whale penises coming at your direction...first of it's kind, you've never seen such a thing. First thing comes across your mind is "Oh crap, my chances of survival are slim, I'm dead meat for sure, I better GTFO out of this thing and make on foot away from it's direction before it sees me." that's psychologically demoralizing your enemy.

It's why the pentagon sends in these MASSIVE unnecessarily OVERSIZED aircraft carriers into third world seas....you can tell some kind of "arrangements" are being made , it's there to intimidate and demoralize them. Get it?

Giant tanks are scary until a cruise missile comes in and obliterates them.

You know what's scarier than that? A fighting vehicle that is actually effective.

You're also a fool if you think US carriers are oversized "to scare people". They're as big as they are because it allows them to carry MORE AIRCRAFT, such that a single US carrier fleet has a larger air-wing than most country's entire air force does.

The enemy combatants don't even see them, they get obliterated from dozens of kilometers away by the aircraft launched from it.

That 'extra' space that human takes inside that exoskeleton is called the "Space for Cheap and Superior Intelligent & Swift moving -component", aka human.

Yes, which is why you remotely pilot it, so you get that component while only taking up the tiny space necessary for a transmitter, which all modern vehicles already have.

Sounds like playing Crysis in real world! But unfortunately 30 km of distance for knowledge to travel so that the exoskeleton would perform even the smallest task does sound like a very woulnurable system!

Are you speaking English?

When that code is broke all hell breaks loose for "real world Crysis" -players! And all this risk just to protect the soldiers who are trained to dive on granade "for king and country" to save fellow soldiers? Doesnt too prudent to me..

I can't tell if you're concerned about latency or hacking. How is this any different than the massive UAV force that the US and competing military forces already deploy, and are deploying in increasing numbers?

Obviously remote piloting is very feasible, because we already do it, on a very large scale.

 

[12agnar0k]

Oh com on now..lets get real...I didn't say I like all of the west...just some parts of it.

Oh and BTW...that aint hate..I'd see THIS as hate though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTmElGq2U-o
The part where he says "That ain't Falco!" really gets my blood boiling!

Lol wtf, FALCO!!!!

Anyway, lets not let this thread digress into the humerous event of 11/9.

Back to the topic.

GDR's BABY! YEAH!

Is no one else really impressed with the video footage of the GDR, with its foot stomping and laser beam shooting and rocket launching catylclismic devestation.