Global warming threatens to dry up Ganges

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Backreferences - taillesskangaru wrote in this thread "The greatest effect of global warming (I think) is the melting of glaciers which is the source of fresh water for most of the people around the world. Already places like Bolivia are losing glaciers fast and is facing a disaster. Glaciers in Tibet feeds the Huang He, Chang Jiang, Indus, Ganges, Mekong etc and if they're gone that means water for half the world's population are gone as well. Combined that with messed up weather pattern and you got a disaster of biblical proportions."

VARANASI, India -- With her eyes closed, Ramedi cupped the murky water of the Ganges River in her hands, lifted them toward the sun, and prayed for her husband, her 15 grandchildren, and her bad hip. She, like India's other 800 million Hindus, has absolute faith that the river she calls Ganga Ma can heal.

Around Ramedi, who like some Indians has only one name, people converged on the riverbank in the early morning, before the day's heat set in.

Women floated necklaces of marigolds on a boat of leaves, a dozen skinny boys soaped their hair as they bathed in their underwear, and a somber group of men carried a body to the banks of the river, a common ritual before the dead are cremated on wooden funeral pyres. To be cremated beside the Ganges, most here believe, brings salvation from the cycle of rebirth.

"Ganga Ma is everything to Hindus. It's our chance to attain nirvana," Ramedi said, emerging from the river, her peach-colored sari dripping along the shoreline.

But the prayer rituals carried out on the water's edge may not last forever -- or even another generation, according to scientists and meteorologists. The Himalayan source of Hinduism's holiest river, they say, is drying up.

In this 3,000-year-old city known as the Jerusalem of India for its intense religious devotion, climate change could throw into turmoil something many devout Hindus never thought possible: their most intimate religious traditions.

The Gangotri glacier, which provides up to 70 percent of the water of the Ganges during the dry summer months, is shrinking at a rate of 40 yards a year, nearly twice as fast as two decades ago, scientists say.

"This may be the first place on earth where global warming could hurt our very religion. We are becoming an endangered species of Hindus," said Veer Bhadra Mishra, an engineer and director of the Varanasi-based Sankat Mochan Foundation, an organization that advocates for the preservation of the Ganges.

Environmental groups such as Mishra's have long focused on the pollution of the Ganges. More than 100 cities and countless villages are situated along the 1,568-mile river, which stretches from the foothills of the Himalayas to the Bay of Bengal, and few of them have sewage treatment plants.

But recent reports by scientists say the Ganges is under an even greater threat from global warming.

According to a UN climate report, the Himalayan glaciers that are the sources of the Ganges could disappear by 2030 as temperatures rise.

The shrinking glaciers also threaten Asia's supply of fresh water. The World Wildlife Fund in March listed the Ganges among the world's 10 most endangered rivers. In India, the river provides water for drinking and farming for more than 500 million people.

The immediate effect of glacier recession is a short-lived surplus of water. But eventually the supply runs out, and specialists predict that the Ganges will eventually become a seasonal river, largely dependent on monsoon rains.

"There has never been a greater threat for the Ganges," said Mahesh Mehta, an environmental lawyer who has been filing lawsuits against corporations dumping toxins in the Ganges. He is now redirecting his energies toward the melting glaciers.

"If humans don't change their interference, our very religion, our livelihoods are under threat."

Mehta and other environmentalists want to see the Indian government enforce strict reductions of greenhouse gas emissions, the primary cause of climate change.

But during this month's Group of Eight conference of the major industrialized nations, both India and China, eager to protect their market growth, joined the United States in refusing to support mandatory limits on greenhouse gas emissions.

President Bush has instead pushed a plan for nonbinding goals to reduce emissions.

Source: http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2007/06/24/global_warming_threatens_to_dry_up_ganges/
Aftenposten (norwegian newspaper) print edition ran the story as well.

This looks like it could get very, very nasty.
 
I don't even have to read the OP :lol:

Here's another article I thought I'd post but now that this thread is up I'll post it here instead. It's about melting glaciers in Bolivia. Have a read:

http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/10/1974604.htm?section=world

Crisis looms for Bolivia as glaciers melt
By Mark Corcoran for Foreign Correspondent

Posted Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:22pm AEST
Updated Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:37pm AEST

Slideshow: Photo 1 of 3

A ski hut on a barren mountain in Bolivia. (ABC)

Video: The vanishing glaciers of Bolivia (Foreign Correspondent) The glaciers in the Andes mountains of Bolivia provide about half the drinking water for two million people down the mountain. But the glaciers are now melting at an unprecedented rate and will be completely gone within 20 years.

The mountain's traditional guardians, the Aymara Indians, say that to ascend this 6,000-metre peak without absolution is to incur the wrath of the gods.

"They're not angry with us, they're telling us something," an Aymara priest says as he gives a blessing to local people.

"We have to live with nature in a balanced way - if we don't pollute more, and if we don't industrialise, if we learn not to pollute we'll be able to live a bit longer."

On the arid western side of the Andes mountain range, snow and ice mean water, and water is life. Now this icy realm is melting before their very eyes.

The Aymara call this place Chacaltaya, meaning "cold road". In modern times Bolivians proudly boasted that this glacier - at nearly 5,500 metres - was the world's highest ski run. But no longer: these days it looks more like a resort on the moon.

Glaciologist Edson Ramirez says the sad sliver of ice that remains will probably be completely gone within two years.

"The ice used to go right down to the road - at the bottom," he said.

Dr Ramirez says people stopped skiing there around 1998. Now should be the peak skiing season, yet there are only rocks.

Bolivia is losing more than its only ski field. Small, high-altitude "tropical glaciers" act as water reservoirs for millions of people who live in arid regions of the Andes. Dr Ramirez says most of the other glaciers in the region are also melting fast.

"I think that around 80 per cent of the glaciers on the Cordillera Real because Chacaltaya is representative of these kind of glaciers," he said.


15 years of research

Dr Ramirez and a team of French scientists have been documenting Chacaltaya's decline for 15 years. At first their observations were treated with scepticism. Now, their glacier has become a cause celebre of the international global warming debate.

"We can observe this kind of melt since the 80s - the dramatic melt of this kind of glacier, the small glaciers," he said.

In 1998 when this ski lift finally shut down, Chacaltaya was still 15 metres thick and losing one metre a year. That rate has since accelerated dramatically.

Dr Ramirez says Chacaltaya is now only three or four metres thick. The ice would be 18,000 years old, but he expects all the glaciers around La Paz will be gone in 20 years' time.

For two million people living under the mountains in the cities of La Paz and El Alto, that means losing up to 60 per cent of their water, which comes from glaciers. It is a huge dilemma for the entire Andes region, potentially effecting tens of millions of people.

"It's a critical problem - it's the same problem for Peru, Ecuador and Colombia - all the Andes," Dr Ramirez said.

In downtown La Paz there is no sense of a looming crisis. Nor is there any evidence of water restrictions. With five governments in just five years, crisis management is the norm - dealing with today's problems, without worrying about next year.

But a few people do worry. High above the city Dr Ramirez studies satellite imagery, plotting the glaciers' decline and the looming water crisis.

He says demand for water is likely to exceed supply in 2009.


Global carbon emissions

Andes glaciers have all been in slow decline since a mini-ice age here about 300 years ago, but the meltdown is has accelerated relatively recently. Dr Ramirez says man-made carbon emissions are a factor in the melting of the glaciers.

"What we haven't been able to do so far is measure the proportion of human contribution to global warming. But we do know the effects of human activities accelerate or have the role of a catalyst in this cycle."

He says the glaciers have been hit hardest by an unprecedented number of El Nino events - complex weather cycles triggered by warming and cooling of water at opposite ends of the Pacific Ocean.

"The hot air that's in Australia moves towards the Peruvian Pacific coast," he said.

"The effect means that for the Andean Mountains, especially in Bolivia, there's low cloud, and consequently low rainfall and high radiation and so the glacier as we see here loses its capacity to reflect radiation."

Low rainfall means less snow, and it is snow which both replenishes the glacier and protects the ice from the harsh sun at such high altitude.

Without the glaciers, scientists worry that the Andes highlands will have to depend on just 400mm of rain each year. Then there is the problem of electricity. Sitting atop the spine of the Andes, a hydro-electric dam generates 80 per cent of La Paz's power. It relies mainly on glacier run-off to drive the turbines. No water means no electricity.

Government climate change planner Javier Gonzales says Bolivia - the poorest country in South America - cannot afford to build massive rain catchment dams.

"The system of water provision for El Alto might collapse in the next two or three years," he said.

Building dams in this earthquake-prone zone would be too complex and expensive, and it is also not economically viable to pump water up from Bolivia's distant Amazon basin, which receives a massive five metres of rain annually.

Mr Gonzales says it is unfair that Bolivia will pay such a heavy price for a problem created by the industrialised world.

"The national greenhouse gas emissions is about 0.03 per cent of global emissions, but we have to bear the consequences of global warming," he said.

"I'm very pessimistic of the situation at the international level. We know very well the solution comes through the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. But not every country is committed to do this.

"The problem is being produced by industrial nations - and we are facing the problems, we are facing the consequences."


Impact on the poor

La Paz's twin city is El Alto, a vast slum area that is home to more than a million people, mostly indigenous. As changing weather patterns cause crops to fail on the Andes high plain, they have been drawn to the city in search of work. The population is set to double in the next decade.

Local woman Berna Cabrera says water - or the lack of it - has always been an issue here.

"There's no water, there's nowhere to get it from. They bring it from the Chocaya river and that water is dirty and they bring it here to sell in the community where they live," she said.

A single mother, Ms Cabrera works as a nanny down in La Paz to support three generations of her family. She considers herself fortunate in having a job. Still, family discussion often centres on where they will get that basic necessity needed to sustain life.

"We use it in cups because at times we don't cook because we don't have any water," she said.

"When it rains for us it's pure happiness because the water falls down from the gutters. We receive the containers, we put it into our wash tubs and with that water the children wash and we eat."

Like most Bolivians, Ms Cabrera has never expected much help from the Government. At a typical community meeting, people are worried that there is just one tap for 200 people and their livestock.

Water is already expensive, and with the glaciers melting, local people are acutely aware that the price will rise even further. Some fear water will soon cost more than soft drink.

For the first time in Bolivia's history an Aymara Indian, Evo Morales, holds the office of president - yet Ms Cabrera doubts that even he can help them.

"No government has ever been concerned about us, to tell you the truth, no one has ever worried about water and nobody has ever come to ask about our problems with water," she said.

For the people of El Alto, global warming is more than an abstract political debate.

World leaders can argue about the cause and establish a complex system of carbon emissions trading, but Bolivians face the very real risk of becoming casualties of climate change.
 
If their religious things get dried up or cease to exist then their go obviously doesn't exist.
 
I'm not an expert on Indian water systems, but isn't another major problem the fact that they're consuming their aquifers faster than they're being refilled?

I don't know how their watertable looks, though. There might be less water arriving, or the water might be seeping deeper into the ground.
 
DISCLAIMER: To prevent any further confusion, global warming is a sub-phenomenon of climate change. I have used the word climate change in this thread, so PLEASE do not thread jack it... you know who you are.

OT: The drying up of the Ganges would have to be one of the single most disastrous ecological calamities that could effect human-kind.
 
Not to be callous but wouldn't a disaster in the woefully over populated arae be a good thing in the grand plan of things. Sure lots of people will die but it will only balance it self out to what is avalible.


And the Ganges is most polluted river in the world. I've seen and smelt it in person and its sickening.
 
Not really, because dying populations export their problems onto the people who they partially blame: even if their blame doesn't make any sense. I don't want more global conflict/terror over something like this. Especially because it's preventable.

The world isn't really overpopulated, it's just being used stupidly.
 
And the Ganges is most polluted river in the world. I've seen and smelt it in person and its sickening.
That's what I mean. It drying up should have no effect whatsoever because people shouldn't be drinking, entering or not even using that filthy water for any purpose ... should ...
 
DISCLAIMER: To prevent any further confusion, global warming is a sub-phenomenon of climate change. I have used the word climate change in this thread, so PLEASE do not thread jack it... you know who you are.

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OT: The drying up of the Ganges would have to be one of the single most disastrous ecological calamities that could effect human-kind.

If it happens, could be worse than the drying of the Aral Sea. The situation has been reversed in part of the sea.
 
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If it happens, could be worse than the drying of the Aral Sea. The situation has been reversed in part of the sea.

Well for one, the aral sea doesn't feed as many people and it isn't caused by global warming. Although the aral sea, the amu and syr darya are all they have over there in central asia.
 
Have you considered the agricultural implications of it drying up?
Do you think the agricultural result of using water that is thàt polluted is really healthy ?
And isn't India increasing it's greenhouse gas outputs by more than 5 % per year and hasn't China overtaken the US in terms of emissions ? They're no longer in their right to blame us.
Some population control might help.
It helped Europe during overpopulated periods in the medieval era en early industrial era, some new diseases arrived and the continent flourished again a few decades later.
 
That's what I mean. It drying up should have no effect whatsoever because people shouldn't be drinking, entering or not even using that filthy water for any purpose ... should ...
Yeah those Indians should just stop drinking water!
 
I think that emissions should be categorised as a function of biomass under jurisdiction.

hasn't China overtaken the US in terms of emissions ? They're no longer in their right to blame us.
I wouldn't go that far. The current issue is entirely due to the Western World (mainly USA). If China is emitting, that's going to be contributing to the later problem, not the current one. It takes time for the CO2 buildup effects to be felt.
 
Not to be callous but wouldn't a disaster in the woefully over populated arae be a good thing in the grand plan of things. Sure lots of people will die but it will only balance it self out to what is avalible.
While the cynical side of me is agreeing with this, I have to note that it's a probably fallacy for a few reasons (e.g. overpopulation is defined by availability of resources), and it has the nasty consequence that if the Earth suddenly become poisonous/infertile/lost its atmosphere/[insert radioactive monkey here], overpopulation would be anything over zero humans.

Not really, because dying populations export their problems onto the people who they partially blame: even if their blame doesn't make any sense. I don't want more global conflict/terror over something like this. Especially because it's preventable.
Seconded; let's not forget that with the population density in India, assuming that the article's "the river provides water for drinking and farming for more than 500 million people" claim is correct, then the dying population would easily become a spawning ground for diseases and plagues on an enormous scale. Especially since this is the sort of catastrophe that most affects the same group most likely to be living in unsanitary conditions to begin with.
 
So the Ganges is drying up.. ok.

Now what? Should we stop carbon emissions now because this'll accomplish.. what again? If we can believe what's already been proved by the UN; even if carbon emissions were cut, the river would still probably dry up anyway. I just don't see if how 'reducing those global gases' would prevent the significant drying up of a river if it's so close to occurring already (20 years)

That Boston Globe article makes it seem that once the regional water runs out, there'll be no more water to rely upon asides from seasonal rain water. Water can come from alternative sources, ya know. (desalination?) India's a rich country; I'm sure it'll find a way.
 
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