GNBv3, PBEM 2

[Ioanes]

Men women and children of London wept as the last reserve marched out of London. Many parents of the well-to-do sent their children to the countryside away from the on coming six month occupation. Many old men die of humilation at their country bowing before the triple alliance, but many more said that allying with France was bound to bring the nation to its knees. But even they cry a tear.

London has been evacuated. how do you want to trade it? What time will you be online? I'm against you just marching in there, being as improvements will be destroyed, and I don't think you can bribe it.

In other news, per accord to the treaty with Russia, three ship of the lines suddenly bombard Istanbul, laying its defenses bare. Two ships were sunk, and per accord, they will be paid for by Russia. The third is heavily damaged, and should it survive, it will be handed over to the Russians for free. If sunk, it shall be paid for as per the treaty. (right?)

The 400 gold demand was unable to be met, and shall be paid when sufficient funds arrive.

Counsel John

 

[Darius]

He's baaaaack! [dance]

Phew, there's a lot to go over here.

First off, of course thank you Ioanes. You did well considering the odds against you, but I still am amazed that the channel navy was even encountered, let alone annihilated. Could either you or W.i.n.t.e.r possibly put up a screenshot or two just so I know what happened? Regardless of what kind of navies Prussia and Russia may have built, I just can't believe that they could have sunk my whole fleet unless of course it suicidally ventured into the confined Baltic.

And I'm really sorry Yop. I really feel responsible, although not "solely" responsible as Freidrich would like to think. I still never attacked Prussia in any way until my own troops were murdered. But I did overestimate Britain as you did, for even though it could match Prussia in potential, I had no consideration of how much goddam money the Trialliance would have. Geesh. But the UK did have some semblance of success. We cost Prussia a lot of their reward money which they cannot get back, our fleet slaughtered thousands of Russians near Turkey, and we brushed Spain aside like an eyelash. But they just had so much money...

So now, what will Britain do? It is sort of inconvenient to completely reverse conditions Ioanes has not only agreed to but also implemented, but I reject all treaties signed by Great Britain since the fall of Paris (burning in my fireplace as I speak). The only terms I will ever agree to is gold reparations to Prussia and restrictions on the movements of my troops. London will not be occupied, and my proud Mediterranean fleet will not be used for Turkish target practice. If you wish, propose a treaty of reparations, arms restrictions, and any other creative ideas you can think up, and I will sign it. Otherwise you will be forced to conquer all of the British Isles and half of Spain. This option is preferable to a second-rate, agrarian Britain with Huns opressing the population of our ancient capital.

Furthermore, since Britain moved last, I hope to redo that turn without the evacuation of London and disaster in Istanbul. Your response to my aforementioned demands will determine just what I will do in this turn.

 

[academia]

Ok Darius, i agree with your proposal to redo that turn. Mmm... maybe we should go back to the point where negotiations had started

Personally, my original conditions remains, ok?
I don´t know what Prussia will say about it...

Otherwise, we should go on with the war

 

[Darius]

Apparently W.i.n.t.e.r already said that he considers already agreed to terms permanent:

Prussia will not back down from any demands 'agreed' upon ! We consider King Darius as exiled for the time of his absence

So I don't know what he will do. Perhaps the barrels of British muskets and cannon will make him reconsider, perhaps not. Just rest assured that upon evaluation of my capabilities upon my return, I am confident of victory in the home islands, whether France makes a separate peace or not.

Anyhow, I agree to the Austrian terms. For that matter, if I agree to your terms but Prussia stonewalls and our war continues, will you continue war with Britain due to your alliance?

 

[Darius]

Ehrm, we might have a problem here. This is the order in the game:

French= Yop
Neutrals= AI
Prussians= W.I.N.T.E.R
British= Darius
Ottomans= AI
Russians= Sun Tzu
Austrians= Academia

However, from reading the thread it looks like right after I left (the Prussians had gone last) SunTzu played the Russian turn before Ioanes played the British one. If this is true, then an AI blunder could explain how my ships got vulnerable enough to be sunk.

Just read posts 206 to 213.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Hmmm, well in principle I have no objection to you redoing your turn, Darius... although then I would also like to redo mine (my fleet is out in the open and under these new conditions it would have moved differently. There has been no conflict over this turn in the north of Europe so I don't see so much problems with actually leaving things as they are... I am not sure, but I think your Ships around Istanbul were toast this round (this is the only reason why I think you might be agreed to redo your move- depends on Sun Tzu's ideas about this, really...)

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My intend in holding London is basically two-sided: I wanted the coffers and a "guarantee" that Britain would not backstab me and resume hostilities within these next few turns- If I cannot peacefully gain access to London I suggest the reparation payments are adjusted upwards
Prussia wants peace and I hope Britain will keep it - I understand that the occupation of London would seem harsh given the fact that I hadn't conquered it yet- the $ for reparations should therefore be corrected and increased to 950 payable to Prussia within the next 3 (in the event of British illiquidity; 4) turns. Be advised that if Britian does not co-operate I do have the capability and intend to strike at the British homeland and am prepared to take London (etc) by force.

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The British Fleet was not sunk, it was bought up by being too close to Hamburg (now Prussian) and Amsterdam (now Austrian) . Two frigates, one SoL and one Troop transport changed sides, then sunk the few reamaining British vessels.

 

[Darius]

950 would be acceptable, but I have no way of getting it. My revenue at 70% is a mere 32 per turn, and there is absolutely no way to raise it. If you want 28 turns of small installments, that's your choice.

Regardless, what of my last post? If indeed Russia accidentally played and Britain was taken by the AI, the only option would be to restart from that point.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Originally posted by Darius


Just read posts 206 to 213.

I didn't move in 206- Just go to post 198 where you posted your last moves before your hollidays

It is Prussia (197), followed by Britain (198), followed by Russia (in post 213)...

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Originally posted by Darius
950 would be acceptable, but I have no way of getting it. My revenue at 70% is a mere 32 per turn, and there is absolutely no way to raise it. If you want 28 turns of small installments, that's your choice.

Awwww, hmmm- gotta think of sth else then... hmmm, what can you offer ???

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

alternativly send one unit into London and retreat it immediatly (and seeing to it that least damage occurrs during this procedure- i.e. repeat until it works out) ??

 

[Darius]

The presence of any Prussian troops on British soil will continue to be unacceptable. Upon evaluation of my situation upon my return, I've been convinced that the home islands have something of a chance (of course I won't tell you just why), and I will therefore not accept any such demands. Even if you somehow succeed, it would be better to die than be reduced to a quaint, second rate agrarian republic. Besides, we'll always have Iberia to retreat to, and perhaps to counterattack from.

Unless you can think of anything other than reparations under 500 gold and limitations on my ships, I guess hostilities must continue.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

While I find the Iberian battle plan mentioned highly unrealistic, I am nonetheless prepared to lower my demands so as not to give you the notion that I want to knock Britian out of the race by making a field trip to see the Big Ben .

The ship movement limitation on war ships will remain, and a royalty of 600 Pounds in gold shall be issued to Prussia asap (you will have to sell some Spanish palaces). The benefit of peace and chance to rebuild should now greatly outweigh the odds of a continuation of the war).

 

[Darius]

I accept, but I stress that there is absolutely nothing to sell. I have already sold every expendable improvement (and even those not expendable) throughout my entire civ to fund my emisaire activities, and you still had more gold. There is nothing left but my revenue. No libraries, no universities, no city walls (except in London), and no coastal defenses. So 600 will take years no matter what I do, but if you're willing to accept that then I guess that's what I'll do. At least they will cripple my economy enough to keep you safe.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Well it will also give you time to build an army to defend the motherland from potential Prussian attacks should the $ not be payed - I do accept the new terms (my Foreign Minister Alexander von Humbolt is on his way to London to issue you with a copy of the document)

I suggest one initial "security payment" and 4 additional installments:
The first one is to be issued immediatly consisting of 200 Pounds;
the next four to be payed over the following 12 months in shape of 100 Pounds each. (You may also pay more if you can/want to get the burden off as soon as you wish)

 

[Darius]

I currently have 175, so the initial sum will be paid in July 1799.

 

[SunTzu]

My Peace conditions is that you use your ships near Istanbul and empty Istanbul for me to take, and then we will have Peace

 

[Darius]

If I were to deny this and have an inactive phony war with Russia, then would Prussia reject the treaty?

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Russia has been quite generous towards Britain, despite the fact that it has been deprived of a victory over the Turks. I don't see why Britain should refuse such a minor task, especially if no further demands have been made as on how and in what time the British are to carry out their attacks on Istanbul.

My suggestion is to employ further forces for this mission, to either assist the attack or to protect the ships that are going to be engaged in naval battles...

 

[Darius]

I am willing to sink the large Ottoman frigate fleet I saw of Izmir immediately and gladly, but as Ioane's attack has shown it would be suicidal to attack coastally defended Istanbul and I will not do it. Would sinking that fleet suffice?

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Sun Tzu ??