GoobNES01: Fallout

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To RSA
From Spain
we notice that you have amassive series of projects, called "beneleauxstadt" and "eirstadt" and even a "Francostadt". We know stadt means city in german, butcould u possibly explain what these cities do? Do they house certain peoples of certain ethinicities? Do they target them in any way?
 
From Spain
To RSA

Here is Detailed information about them

in short they will house immigrants and refugees from the European and American Wars and Radiation, they can be seen as small enclaves or reservations (thoug they are not confined to them) of people of the same culture were they can preserve their traditons and learn the African traditions. they will become small paradises were people can forget the hell they left behind and start new, prospering lives.
 
OOC - Josef, YOU are killing off Europeans - Non-Christians ones that refuse to convert that is.
 
To Spain
From Australia

You're thinking of Nigeria.
 
1: No way.
2: Send as many as you'd like.
3: I'm removing my embassy from South Africa once you free my hostages.

And the CU actions taken against SAR was because of SAR's backstabbing us in the IC... we felt that even if it was true, we had put it past us and there was no reason for you to bring it up seeing as how we were supposedly cooperating and the CU had done nothing to harm SAR diplomatically. (The actions in the IC were taken later.)
Any action in the IC against SAR was taken later but would have happened anyway because of IC impartiality.

Fëanor said:
From RSA
To Argentina and SADETO
We hope that with Acquiring you don’t mean purchasing or accepting CU or by any third party delivered stolen South African technology, if you do so you will ruin any chance of a friendly relation with South Africa and we will not sell armaments of licenses to you and SADETO members
However if that is not the case the Republic of South Africa is willing to sell SADETO building licenses and/or equipment at sharp prices.



From RSA
To Nigeria
We laugh at your hypocrisy, attacking us on our apartheid policies while you yourself placed a death penalty on people for being white.
You accuse us for annexing several other nations did was to restore peace and order were there was anarchy.
You accuse us to oppress the Native Africans. The only ones that suffer are the ones that have been instigated to revolt by you, the population at large is well fed and employed and are experiencing steadily rising living standards, that will one day permit us to abolish Apartheid.
You cant say the same about your nation can you? Conquering Cameroon and spending you your Economy solely on military, keeping your people ignorant and poor.




From RSA
To CU
We are happy to see you are willing to reason, the RSA has suggests the following agreement in order to reinitiate relations, feel free to discuss and negotiate it, id like to hear your arguments if you deem some points unfair.

1. The CU Pays 20 economies to the RSA as damages (total income for 1 turn of the CU plus colonies)
----- the damages are for stealing, selling tech to third parties, lost sale profits to those third parties, lost profit due to further proliferation from those third parties, lost of technological advantage, costs of technological research, cost of technological research to reestablish dominance in those sectors.

2. IC (UN) inspection team goes to CU to investigate and confirm that designs are destroyed and no research or production based on them takes place, teams remains for 5 years.

3. CU embassy in monitored by RSA agents, to assure the embassy cannot be used for further Espionage or Terrorist actions against the RSA.
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Toteone said:
1: No way.
2: Send as many as you'd like.
3: I'm removing my embassy from South Africa once you free my hostages.

And the CU actions taken against SAR was because of SAR's backstabbing us in the IC... we felt that even if it was true, we had put it past us and there was no reason for you to bring it up seeing as how we were supposedly cooperating and the CU had done nothing to harm SAR diplomatically. (The actions in the IC were taken later.)
Any action in the IC against SAR was taken later but would have happened anyway because of IC impartiality.
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You seriously expect a nation of whom you tried to sell Nuclear weapons too will stay quiet? So soon after the World has been completely decimated by those same Nuclear weapons? The CU is mad, and utterly insane if it does in fact this so. Since you did not agree to the RSA's demands, I will make some on the behalf of my ally.

1) Handing over of documents/People who memorized said documents

2) Infromation regrading who you sold it to (Those who the CU sold it to must hand over documents and such like the CU)

3) IC (UN) inspection team goes to CU to investigate and confirm that designs are destroyed and no research or production based on them takes place, teams remains for 5 years.

4) 10 econ. reperations (For selling the techs and stealing them in the first place)
 
1) Documents yes, people no. We do not hand over our people because we love and care for them! That is the job of the Commonwealth government.

2) We didn't manage to sell it to anyone at all after you threatened war furor over someone else's tech while you're obviously ignoring more important things elsewhere in the world. You obviously have some kind of agenda against the CU, it's impossible that your actions are based solely on a pre-emptive strike for fear of losing your technologies. Who'd be interested? Irrigation project? Nuclear research project? SEATO has the SEAINT and who'd care for Irrigation...

3) Sure.

4) No. The CU gives away it's money to the ones it feel's like apologizing to, that would be China and maybe South Vietnam. Feel free to declare war because we're not paying retributions, but you are warned that the international community is watching your hypocrisy of grandour. The CU may not be perfect but we'd never stomp on a small democratic nation pending an obvious excuse to do so. And at that a pathetic excuse. Why don't you let the SAR take care of it's own business?

Are you going to declare war on Spain for threathening North America through Greenland? Are you going to declare war on South Africa for swallowing up nations and oppressing millions? What about the aggressors in North Vietnam who promised that some day they would unite their country? What about the Chinese colonization of Siberia?
What about it ambassador?
Only the CU is small enough to pick on, eh? Thought so. No amounts of lies could perverts the obvious truth that you have a certain stake in punishing the Commonwealth for another nation sake.
Preemptive attacks are all the fashion eh, US ambassador?

[Seriously this is worse then the US IRL attacking Iraq for attempting to aquire weapons of mass destruction. I don't mind being attacked but it's strange. Who ever heard of for example Germany going to war against France for spying on Italy who isn't Germany's ally at all (the US threatened war on SAR for their oppression by their own words) until after the case in question?]
 
Summary from proposed resolutions in the IC.
A rewording of Resolution 15:

Preemptive wars in order to discourage espionage will be deemed legal.

Resolution 16:

The nations of the world may legally go to war with a state that has commited an act of aggression against another state by allying with the offended state in question.

The Commonwealth Union votes AYE on both counts.
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The US has contacted the CU and said something about rogue nations. We're embarking on a path of partial isolationism from now on. But just to clarify a point:

1) The CU never had any nuclear ambitions.
2) The CU attempted nuclear proliferation. These attempts were halted IMMEDIATELY AFTER resolution 14 passed and the CU has called upon Goober Blix to take the nuclear devices into custody.
3) The CU has restored order in Gambia, Guinea-Bissau, Quatar and has willingly allowed several islands and archipelagos to join.
4) The CU has several times stated that elections will be held (in fact this turn) as to wheter the colonies want independance.
5) The CU has intervened in South Vietnam which was deemed legal by the IC. The CU took further action to ensure S. Vietnam's safety by attacking North Vietnam who had expressed a CONTINUED INTENT to 'REUNITE' Vietnam.
6) The CU stole military designs from South Africa.

In summary: We've stolen designs from South Africa and this is why the US is attacking.
I will not go to war, as long as you accept the terms we have offered.


[Diplo from the US to the CU made public by CU government officials]
1) Key Word is gave up Nuclear Ambiations, you only dropped them, because the RSA and I acted.
NOT TRUE. The CU gave up it's nuclear ambitions because of resolution 14. We did so long before the cowardly US threathened war.

2) Elections in colonies? Whop-o-dee-do. Two Words: Puppet Goverments.

NOT TRUE. If the colonies vote pro-independance as opposed to pro-Commonwealth they will be allowed six months to set up a government and a national guard before the CU troops leave permanently. These elections have in fact been reschedualed to these six months before the US threatened war.

3) Not only to prevent espinosge, to take care of Rouge nation, espically one who uses Colliations for its own gains.

The Coalition was used to ensure South Vietnam's continued safety. How many times must I state that North Vietnam made a public statement on future intent to reunite Vietnam after being pushed back to the original border?
The CU asks the US to define rogue nation.
 
[ooc] Goobs, I need to know wheter the colonies vote pro-independance or pro-commonwealth. If they vote pro-independance I'm taking their cash away for my emergency army and conscripting their national guard for their independance next turn. If they vote pro-commonwealth I promise to spend 9 eco. this turn as promised unless they agree to spend it on an army for self-defence of the colonies and I also conscript like crazy everywhere. I just need the election results stat because: [/ooc]

The Commonwealth Union declares war on the Republic of South Africa and it's secret ally the United States of America who is threatening war on the Commonwealth pending it's secret alliance with South Africa.

In summary: The CU declares war on SAR. The CU declares war on the US for allying a state that practices an oppression of slaves only second to that of the third Reich.

The CU is mobilizing immediately.

The CU withdraws for a second and final time from the world stage of international diplomacy.
 
Toteone said:
Summary from proposed resolutions in the IC.
A rewording of Resolution 15:

Preemptive wars in order to discourage espionage will be deemed legal.

Resolution 16:

The nations of the world may legally go to war with a state that has commited an act of aggression against another state by allying with the offended state in question.

The Commonwealth Union votes AYE on both counts.
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The US has contacted the CU and said something about rogue nations. We're embarking on a path of partial isolationism from now on. But just to clarify a point:

1) The CU never had any nuclear ambitions.
2) The CU attempted nuclear proliferation. These attempts were halted IMMEDIATELY AFTER resolution 14 passed and the CU has called upon Goober Blix to take the nuclear devices into custody.
3) The CU has restored order in Gambia, Guinea-Bissau, Quatar and has willingly allowed several islands and archipelagos to join.
4) The CU has several times stated that elections will be held (in fact this turn) as to wheter the colonies want independance.
5) The CU has intervened in South Vietnam which was deemed legal by the IC. The CU took further action to ensure S. Vietnam's safety by attacking North Vietnam who had expressed a CONTINUED INTENT to 'REUNITE' Vietnam.
6) The CU stole military designs from South Africa.

In summary: We've stolen designs from South Africa and this is why the US is attacking.
I will not go to war, as long as you accept the terms we have offered.


[Diplo from the US to the CU made public by CU government officials]
1) Key Word is gave up Nuclear Ambiations, you only dropped them, because the RSA and I acted.
NOT TRUE. The CU gave up it's nuclear ambitions because of resolution 14. We did so long before the cowardly US threathened war.

2) Elections in colonies? Whop-o-dee-do. Two Words: Puppet Goverments.

NOT TRUE. If the colonies vote pro-independance as opposed to pro-Commonwealth they will be allowed six months to set up a government and a national guard before the CU troops leave permanently. These elections have in fact been reschedualed to these six months before the US threatened war.

3) Not only to prevent espinosge, to take care of Rouge nation, espically one who uses Colliations for its own gains.

The Coalition was used to ensure South Vietnam's continued safety. How many times must I state that North Vietnam made a public statement on future intent to reunite Vietnam after being pushed back to the original border?
The CU asks the US to define rogue nation.
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1) Who proposed resolution #14? Me. Why do you think I did it, so that we could all get together and have a picnic?

2) I'll believe it when I see it.

3) NV said it, so what? You could have easily just parked the collialition forces on the borders, instead of invading, yet you didn't did you? You invaded.
 
1) And the CU promptly gave up everything nuclear after resolution 14 passed thus obeying international law.

3) We invaded to deal with a publically announced future threat by the NV communists, and the designs weren't really destroyed so there... come get some. [ooc] shuts himself up to write interesting orders ;) :D[/ooc]

PS. The CU is not a threat to the US nor will it ever be. The US may believe it is 'removing a threat' to itself, but all it shall find itself in is a bloody war against what wants and should be a US ally.
The CU has made mistakes yes, but at the end of the day we have obeyed international law except the espionage against the SAR. The US can't make a secret alliance and then say it's declaring war on the CU that knew good and well that it was attacking an American ally now can she? The CU has made mistakes, but at the end of the day she has restored order in three colonies and is holding elections this very turn (actually ordered at the brink of the last six month but with CU beurocracy it was too late to actually hold them) and saved democracy in South Vietnam and attacked North Vietnam after a declaration of intent for further 'reunification'.

In summary: The CU may not be perfect but we wanted to improve the world and become rich at the same time. The US is simply out with an excuse to destroy our volountary Commonwealth.

The US can make a secret alliance with the SAR but it is not a legal action to suddenly declare a secret alliance war furor on the CU for espionage against this secret ally. Any such action would be an illegal war deemed solely on a favour towards the secret ally in question, the SAR.

Our soldiers will die, our economies will languish and all countries in question will fall in the favour of the international community. But the Commonwealth Union does not fear for this war. We may lose but we will fight you everwhere from the sea to the hills of the NZ mountains and African jungles (if the colonies do not vote pro-independance). We will not surrender (oruse any nukes, they are being handed over to Goober Blix). Ever.

However the CU is willing to make an offer...

If the RSA is willing to give up it's Apartheid Policy, dismantle the Bantoustan labour camp and give the black's equal citizenship and the vote i.e make them the same as the white in South Africa then we will burn the designs we stole for real (and the international community wins the day).
No reperations will be necessary then because we haven't sold it to anyone at all yet. The CU calls upon the international community to put pressure upon the SAR and the USA to accept this offer.
 
Toteone said:
However the CU is willing to make an offer...

If the RSA is willing to give up it's Apartheid Policy, dismantle the Bantoustan labour camp and give the black's equal citizenship and the vote i.e make them the same as the white in South Africa then we will burn the designs we stole for real (and the international community wins the day).
No reperations will be necessary then because we haven't sold it to anyone at all yet. The CU calls upon the international community to put pressure upon the SAR and the USA to accept this offer.
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YOU get betray our soldiers and get them killed for your evil hidden agenda
YOU steal our technology and offer it to the whole world
YOU try to sell nuclear weapons and accuse us of betrayal when we spoil your litte mad plan
and you make demands from us? why should we pay ANYTHING for your evil deeds?
the Republic of South Africa had no intention to go to war with the CU, we offered you a deal and instead of negotiating you declare war on us, the International comunity has already condemmned you evil Espionage deeds so why should they support your Warmongering?

To CU african Colonies
Your warmongering thief of a ruler has declared war on us, you are withing balistic missile range and will be fired upon unless you become independent and kick CU forces out, we have no quarrel with you, only with your warmongering thief of a ruler.

OOC: i asker to dismantle the the Bantustan labour camp a while ago thoug some miscomunication with goobert disrupted that, that project was ment as a collective farm in the first place.
 
I cannot reply on behalf of the CU colonies, since they technically ain't NPC nations, but, generally, they have been well-treated by the Cu, and are fairly satisfied with the Governments that the CU installed. Like most Africans, they detest South Africa with a passion, and feel that South Africa has been enslaving the Black People.
 
Why can't you respond for the Colonies when you could respond for the Papuan tribes? Think of it in the same way, he's talking to local tribes and that.
 
Well, it was the mother nation talking to the colonies, that is different from a foriegn nation talking to colonies.
 
Good point. Can't you just respond anyway? Be a nice moderator?
 
(collective farm?)

All right. You didn't blink, I did. The CU will pay SAR 10 eco. in compensation in order to avoid war and the technologies will be burnt and you'll promise not to attack me. Happy?
And just for the record I still believe the US is warmongering illegally and the RSA is an oppressive state that backstabbed the CU after the CU gave up it's nuclear ambitions (right after resolution 14). Now if you had backstabbed me while I was still thinking about it then it would have been another case. But that's just how I feel and it's irrelevant.

Will you accept my peace offer?
And it would be great if you could make some liberal equality reforms.
 
USSR Orders
*declare war on China
*keep troops in vietnam there, and send them to help with war against China.
*send 20,000 troops and 100 tanks from the USSR into China.
*spend one economy on industry, one on education, and one on expanding my tank battalions.
 
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