Markus5
Code Monkey
I vote no to deity. Sorry, but I can't continue to beat my head against the keyboard.
GOTM 10 final spoiler
- Thread starter ainwood
- Start date
Hi all,
This is the history of Dictator Qin Shi Huang and his conquest of the world.
The History of Qin Shi Huang
Leader of the Chinese Empire
Game of the Month 10 Immortal
I decided the following before starting the game: No founding of religion, no worker steal and no Oracle slingshot. Instead I planned to expand moderately, targeting 4 cities at 0 BC. I will start with Fishing, then Bronze Working. I plan to build one warrior and then two workboats. Oh, I almost forgot: I will aim for a Conquest Victory
First contact (4000 BC 355 BC)
Destruction of the Egyptian Empire (355 BC 635 AD)
Destruction of the Indian Empire (650 AD 1364 AD)
Destruction of the Incan Empire (1370 AD 1782 AD)
Destruction of the Russian Empire(1784 AD 1833 AD)
Destruction of the Persian Empire(1834 AD 1856 AD)
Destruction of the Mongolian Empire (1856 AD - 1859 AD)
Conclusions
I used the whip extensively the first five thousand years. I did not have many problems with either animals or barbarians. I did not manage to grow my cultural border as quick as I had wanted, not until I had Judaism as state religion. I missed a few wonders with just a few turns and Catherine beat me with a few turns on many techs. Spies are very useful, spreading a founded religion likewise, and most important: Nukes are wonderful. They helped me destroy the Mongolian civilization in four turns. Theyre such a blessing to mankind.
Comments
My impression with GOTM 10 is that the step up in difficulty compared to GOTM 9 was compensated with the many resources in the starting area. This game gave me an excellent opportunity to practice modern combat which was fun. I prefer future games to be less modified though, and perhaps the adventure bonus could be significantly higher instead (e.g. extra units at start). I also prefer smaller maps or faster game play. However, I am willing to play any type of game provided by the GOTM team (including deity). Thanks for the time and effort you spend to provide us with hours (days?) of entertainment.
This is the history of Dictator Qin Shi Huang and his conquest of the world.
The History of Qin Shi Huang
Leader of the Chinese Empire
Game of the Month 10 Immortal
I decided the following before starting the game: No founding of religion, no worker steal and no Oracle slingshot. Instead I planned to expand moderately, targeting 4 cities at 0 BC. I will start with Fishing, then Bronze Working. I plan to build one warrior and then two workboats. Oh, I almost forgot: I will aim for a Conquest Victory
First contact (4000 BC 355 BC)
Spoiler :
Destruction of the Egyptian Empire (355 BC 635 AD)
Spoiler :
Destruction of the Indian Empire (650 AD 1364 AD)
Spoiler :
Destruction of the Incan Empire (1370 AD 1782 AD)
Spoiler :
Destruction of the Russian Empire(1784 AD 1833 AD)
Spoiler :
Destruction of the Persian Empire(1834 AD 1856 AD)
Spoiler :
Destruction of the Mongolian Empire (1856 AD - 1859 AD)
Spoiler :
Conclusions
I used the whip extensively the first five thousand years. I did not have many problems with either animals or barbarians. I did not manage to grow my cultural border as quick as I had wanted, not until I had Judaism as state religion. I missed a few wonders with just a few turns and Catherine beat me with a few turns on many techs. Spies are very useful, spreading a founded religion likewise, and most important: Nukes are wonderful. They helped me destroy the Mongolian civilization in four turns. Theyre such a blessing to mankind.
Comments
My impression with GOTM 10 is that the step up in difficulty compared to GOTM 9 was compensated with the many resources in the starting area. This game gave me an excellent opportunity to practice modern combat which was fun. I prefer future games to be less modified though, and perhaps the adventure bonus could be significantly higher instead (e.g. extra units at start). I also prefer smaller maps or faster game play. However, I am willing to play any type of game provided by the GOTM team (including deity). Thanks for the time and effort you spend to provide us with hours (days?) of entertainment.
jesusin said:
Dang, that's a nice score Jesusin. I was feeling pretty good about my Dom victory:
Contender
1786 AD
Base score: 6539
Final score: 115193
How the heck did you manage to stay up on techs with REX on immortal? I only built a few cities early because was worried about maintenance costs (which were killer on practice games).
Ainwood - deity? - you going to need to be very generous in starting position. I've never played immortal until these practice games and most of them I got smoked. You made this starting position very easy and we were helped by having a weak neighbor in Hatty.
Ronald
Emperor
jesusin said:
Great game.
I thought it was almost impossible to win conquest on this immortal game, but you proved that it can be done!
I was trying for conquest early on, but had to settle for domination.
Russia was pullling ahead in my game, no way to beat her for me.
In the end I was happy with my domination victory in 1738 AD (about 91k score)
Well, thank you both, I don't know if it was so great a game, though.
I am not a warmonger, so I overvalued the difficulty of domination victory. I thought it would require settling most of the poles. I think I could have finished much sooner if I had aimed domination, building settlers and using my GreatArtists. Also I wish I had started the Egypt war sooner.
My GreatPeople went to waste because of my mistaken techbulbing spreadsheet (or my mistaken interpretation of it, still unsure).
As for the tech raze, I wasn't worried at all. My focus was on hammers, not on beakers. Please, @Doc TK, read my first spoiler. I deprioritized GreatScientist and the one I had I didn't use for an Academy. I never used bureaucracy either. Some details about "REX and keeping the pace":
4 cities in 1000BC
8 cities in 1AD
29turns to research Alphabet
After Alphabet, you trade and get a small tech lead.
Anyway, when you have soooo much food in the capital, you can whip settlers and workers without damaging your commerce.
Well, the real key to my strong economy was GreatLightHouse. When you have 3 trade routes per city, you can keep every city you take, even without Courthouse the city pays for itself. And then, the bigger you are, the better you research. The Colossus was just good enough.
As for points, I am not interested in score, but fast finishes. @DocTK, you had 50% more base score than me. Our finish dates were quite appart, though.
I am not a warmonger, so I overvalued the difficulty of domination victory. I thought it would require settling most of the poles. I think I could have finished much sooner if I had aimed domination, building settlers and using my GreatArtists. Also I wish I had started the Egypt war sooner.
My GreatPeople went to waste because of my mistaken techbulbing spreadsheet (or my mistaken interpretation of it, still unsure).
As for the tech raze, I wasn't worried at all. My focus was on hammers, not on beakers. Please, @Doc TK, read my first spoiler. I deprioritized GreatScientist and the one I had I didn't use for an Academy. I never used bureaucracy either. Some details about "REX and keeping the pace":
4 cities in 1000BC
8 cities in 1AD
29turns to research Alphabet
After Alphabet, you trade and get a small tech lead.
Anyway, when you have soooo much food in the capital, you can whip settlers and workers without damaging your commerce.
Well, the real key to my strong economy was GreatLightHouse. When you have 3 trade routes per city, you can keep every city you take, even without Courthouse the city pays for itself. And then, the bigger you are, the better you research. The Colossus was just good enough.
As for points, I am not interested in score, but fast finishes. @DocTK, you had 50% more base score than me. Our finish dates were quite appart, though.
A'AbarachAmadan
Deity
ainwood said:
Of course! I think with the right start and enough adventurer assistance anyone could give it a go. I'd make an exception for the next 25% who didn't think they could go a 'normal' game. However, this one wasn't as hard as the average random map at this level.
ngraner42
Ultrarunner
I hope we go one more cycle before Deity. I know several people who would like to jump into GOTM play next month, who need a drop down to Noble.
Ronald
Emperor
After Ghengis gone, it's time to rethink about strategy.
Cathy is a powerhouse. She's ahead in research and has lots of military, so I decided to change my goal from conquest to domination.
Who to take on next?
The logical candidate would be Asoka. He is on my continent and his military is mediocre at best.
On a second thought Huayna might be the right candidate. I will be first to infantry, so the fight would be in my favour. I f I leave him too long alone, I would face machine guns and infantry by the time I start invading him.
Thinking further if I leave Asoka too long alone, he will outreseach me and the war against him could become an uphill battle. So what to do?
Finally, I came to the conclusion I have to take on both at the same time.
The war will be longer, but it will hamper their research, so I should be able to fight mostly with superior units. Infantry against riflemen, that must do the trick.
I traded heavily with Cathy, had a defensive pact at one time, but she decided to go to war with Cyrus and the pact was cancelled automatically. I was afraid that Cathy would take out Cyrus and make domination more difficult for me, but it turned out that this was a phony war. She did not take one single city from Cyrus although she had the much superior units. Another example of the difference between humans and the AI.
After having researched assembly line, Cathy already switched to emancipation and my people were angry at me. She did not want to trade democracy, so I had to invest a few more turns to research it.
I should have researched communism as well to be able to switch to police state when war wariness kicks in, but I underestimated the war weariness when fighting against two opponents at the same time.
So I stopped research completly after democracy and made my final war preparations:
In 1565 AD I was out of anarchy after swicthing to emancipation. I should have also switched to Vassalage and Theocracy as well, but I did not. Something I learned for the next time.
I used my two saved GP and initiated my Golden Age.
In 1574 AD, I had upgraded my macemen to infantry (a infantry with city raider 3 is almost unstoppable) I declared war on Huayna and landed my invasion force next to Vilcabamba.
In 1586 AD I had also upgraded my troops on the northern front and declared war on Asoka:
Now it started to become really time consuming. I had two stacks in the north, taking on Asoka:
Two stacks for the main continent of Huayna:
One fleet for the main islands:
an a smaller fleet to take out two small islands, one in the north of Chengdu, the other southwest of Maryan
Turns at this stage took almost one hour, then went back to about 30 minutes.
The wars itself went OK, but war weariness became a real problem:
In 1625 I ran a slight GNP plus with 40% lux
In 1658 AD I had to run 100% and still could not keep my cities from starving. This war weariness is broken in Civ4 in my opinion.
Fortunately with Asoka being gone a few turns later, everything was under control.
The last fierce battle was the battle of Corihuayrachina where Huayna amassed his last reserves.
After that, it was a walk in the park to get some cities from Cyrus to achieve domination victory. The logistics, or better my bad ability to ship chain and handle this boring stuff, was the reason that it took me quite a while to finally get to domination in 1738.
A very enjoyable game, thanks Ainwood!
Some statistics:
During all these wars, I only lost 6 macemen and 16 infantry, but 71 catapults.
I killed among others: 21 archers, 34 longbowmen, 20 grenadiers, 121 riflemen, 10 cavalries, 38 catapults, 13 cannons and 4 machine guns.
Deity or not deity: I would either like a short deity game next month (small or even better tiny map), and a normal size map later on. Deity games take a long time to play and I'm afraid on a standard or larger map I won't find the necessary time
Cathy is a powerhouse. She's ahead in research and has lots of military, so I decided to change my goal from conquest to domination.
Who to take on next?
The logical candidate would be Asoka. He is on my continent and his military is mediocre at best.
On a second thought Huayna might be the right candidate. I will be first to infantry, so the fight would be in my favour. I f I leave him too long alone, I would face machine guns and infantry by the time I start invading him.
Thinking further if I leave Asoka too long alone, he will outreseach me and the war against him could become an uphill battle. So what to do?
Finally, I came to the conclusion I have to take on both at the same time.
The war will be longer, but it will hamper their research, so I should be able to fight mostly with superior units. Infantry against riflemen, that must do the trick.
I traded heavily with Cathy, had a defensive pact at one time, but she decided to go to war with Cyrus and the pact was cancelled automatically. I was afraid that Cathy would take out Cyrus and make domination more difficult for me, but it turned out that this was a phony war. She did not take one single city from Cyrus although she had the much superior units. Another example of the difference between humans and the AI.
After having researched assembly line, Cathy already switched to emancipation and my people were angry at me. She did not want to trade democracy, so I had to invest a few more turns to research it.
I should have researched communism as well to be able to switch to police state when war wariness kicks in, but I underestimated the war weariness when fighting against two opponents at the same time.
So I stopped research completly after democracy and made my final war preparations:
In 1565 AD I was out of anarchy after swicthing to emancipation. I should have also switched to Vassalage and Theocracy as well, but I did not. Something I learned for the next time.
I used my two saved GP and initiated my Golden Age.
In 1574 AD, I had upgraded my macemen to infantry (a infantry with city raider 3 is almost unstoppable) I declared war on Huayna and landed my invasion force next to Vilcabamba.
In 1586 AD I had also upgraded my troops on the northern front and declared war on Asoka:
Now it started to become really time consuming. I had two stacks in the north, taking on Asoka:
Two stacks for the main continent of Huayna:
One fleet for the main islands:
an a smaller fleet to take out two small islands, one in the north of Chengdu, the other southwest of Maryan
Turns at this stage took almost one hour, then went back to about 30 minutes.
The wars itself went OK, but war weariness became a real problem:
In 1625 I ran a slight GNP plus with 40% lux
In 1658 AD I had to run 100% and still could not keep my cities from starving. This war weariness is broken in Civ4 in my opinion.
Fortunately with Asoka being gone a few turns later, everything was under control.
The last fierce battle was the battle of Corihuayrachina where Huayna amassed his last reserves.
After that, it was a walk in the park to get some cities from Cyrus to achieve domination victory. The logistics, or better my bad ability to ship chain and handle this boring stuff, was the reason that it took me quite a while to finally get to domination in 1738.
A very enjoyable game, thanks Ainwood!
Some statistics:
During all these wars, I only lost 6 macemen and 16 infantry, but 71 catapults.
I killed among others: 21 archers, 34 longbowmen, 20 grenadiers, 121 riflemen, 10 cavalries, 38 catapults, 13 cannons and 4 machine guns.
Deity or not deity: I would either like a short deity game next month (small or even better tiny map), and a normal size map later on. Deity games take a long time to play and I'm afraid on a standard or larger map I won't find the necessary time
Adventurer Class HOF mod. This was the first time I have used the HOF mod.
Considering QSH's traits I thought I was going to be going for a Space Victory. Eventually, I decided I might be able to pull off a diplomatic quicker instead so went off to get the UN. Unfortunately I could not get enough Friendlies for the necessary votes.
In the meantime, 6 religions had been brought to my lands so I then had to choose if I was going to go back to space or head for cultural. I decided on cultural mostly because I'd never done it before.
Space loss to HC in 1908. My third city to reach Legendary was in 1912 (I played the few extra turns.) If I had won the score would have been about 14500 so nothing fabulous. Still would have been nice.
If I had decided to go for cultural before wasting time on the diplomatic option I probably would have won with many turns to spare.
I never had a war. Didnt even lose a unit to Barbs I dont think. Fog busted my end of the island very quicky. Built about 75% of all wonders, most of which in Capital - which got to about 90,000 culture without even trying. Last tech researched was Flight.
All in all, rather enjoyable. 20 hours - 17 sessions.
Next!
Considering QSH's traits I thought I was going to be going for a Space Victory. Eventually, I decided I might be able to pull off a diplomatic quicker instead so went off to get the UN. Unfortunately I could not get enough Friendlies for the necessary votes.
In the meantime, 6 religions had been brought to my lands so I then had to choose if I was going to go back to space or head for cultural. I decided on cultural mostly because I'd never done it before.
Space loss to HC in 1908. My third city to reach Legendary was in 1912 (I played the few extra turns.) If I had won the score would have been about 14500 so nothing fabulous. Still would have been nice.
If I had decided to go for cultural before wasting time on the diplomatic option I probably would have won with many turns to spare.
I never had a war. Didnt even lose a unit to Barbs I dont think. Fog busted my end of the island very quicky. Built about 75% of all wonders, most of which in Capital - which got to about 90,000 culture without even trying. Last tech researched was Flight.
All in all, rather enjoyable. 20 hours - 17 sessions.
Next!
Diplomatic victory in 1868, 47.797 points (contender)
Been moving house this month and didn't have time for a detailed writeup, unfortunately. Here's a high-level summary.
Opening
Founded 2SW, whipped a workboat and developed Beijing a bit, then founded Shanghai 3N. Met Hatchy and Ghengis. Unusual for me, I researched archery because I was running late to hook up the copper; this saved my neck when two archers made for Beijing and were stopped by all my warriors and a rushed archer. 3rd city was founded SE of Beijing in 835, on the river-tile adjacent to horses, rice and sugar.
The Egyptian War (520AD – 240BC)
Hatchy then took a barb city south of Beijing (near the gems), which led me to counterattack her wounded stack and (slightly prematurely from my pov) began the Egyptian War. Managed to knock out her only source of horses by taking Alexandria, deny her access to iron and advance on Memphis, on the southern isthmus. But then Ghengis declared on Hatchy as well and razed the city one turn ahead of the arrival of my stack. I turned south, took Thebes and made peace while Ghengis went on to raze another three egyptian cities. He finally took Heliopolis (dyes-city) and Hatchy was out.
Builder Mode
This left me the entire western third of of the continent to settle and pleased status with Ghengis so I spent the next 1000 years in builder mode. In one of my better moves, I founded Xian on the southern isthmus, which gave me a channel between the ocean and the inland lake. At the time, I thought I was doing really well, building the FP, GL (575), getting circumnavigation in 800 and setting up 11 cities in total. But Ghengis used this time to take five cities from India and amass a huge army.
The Mongol Wars (1208-1370, 1436-1538, 1580-1625)
When I finally got my nerve up to attack (bribing GK into war with Asoka first), the window for Chu-Ko-Nu’s was already beginning to close. I used them to take Heliopolis and secure the dies, then swept up three northern, formerly indian cities, including the jewish holy city complete with a shrine. The defense of my subcontinent was based squarely on longbows behind the walls of Xian, which held out well – but then Ghengis sent three galleons to attack thebes and I was barely able to beat him back and sue for peace.
Because he had so many units, it took two more wars (now with grenadiers and frigates) to take the southeastern half of the continent, even though I had a tech lead over Ghengis most of the time. It helped a lot to be able to sail on the lake, bombarding cities and ferrying in troops. In the end, I was running 60% culture against WW and fell six or seven techs behind Cathy though. Looking back, an earlier war with a bigger army of Chu-Ko’s would have sped up the conquest considerably and kept me in better shape tech-wise.
The Indian War (1679 – 1734)
After a short breather, I upgraded my catapults to cannons and marched straight north, taking Delhi and cutting the indian empire in two. Asoka was even in tech but had only few units which just sat around in his cities. War-weariness was the main problem in this campaign. However, when the smoke cleared, I was in posession of the entire starting continent save two cities, one founded by HC in the south after the egyptian war and one by Cathy in the far northeast (to claim the oil, as I later found out).
Buffing up and making friends
Five-hundred years of near constant warfare put me behind in tech, but ahead in production, food and soon gnp. For the next 100 years, the game was about growing my population, trading tech with Cyrus and upgrading the military. Staying a monarchy kept things quiet with Cathy and HC while I caught up. I built the Ironworks, Globe Theatre, Oxford,Westpoint and, in 1824, the UN. With 44% of the vote already mine, the plan was to grow that share to about 50% and switch to representation to get Cyrus’ support for a diplomatic victory. However, this meant dropping monarchy and the +4 with Cathy and HC, which were militarily stronger and locked in an alliance. I only dared do this when I had upgraded to infantry and destroyers. Cyrus then took longer than expected to warm to me, so I built up an invasion army, just in case. Just as I was moving my transports in for the attack, he finally made up his mind and supported my diplomatic victory in 1868.
Summary
I got really lucky in the Egyptian war, which was begun on a less than solid foundation but ended up a sweeping triumph thanks to Ghengis razing all of Hatchy’s cities for me. I then went on to squander this inheritance. The golden age of peace that was supposed to lay the foundation for a strong empire turned out to be a time-consuming trap: The delayed wars against Ghengis meant more Mongols, less leverage for Chu-Kos, longer wars, more culture expenses against WW and finally cost me the tech lead against Asoka, which in turn prolonged the Indian war. With more determination earlier on, I believe I could have taken over the continent in the 1600s and gone on to take either Cyrus or HC for backdoor domination, as jesusin and uberfish have demonstrated so admirably. As it stood, I was in for a pretty tedious endgame, where victory was never seriously at risk, but time just ran out.
It’s funny, but I seem to be learning the same lesson over and over. Whenever I move up a level, I drop some of my builder habits, take more risks … and yet here I am, on Immortal, still letting my builderish tendencies get the better of me … sigh.
Anyhow, thanks again to Ainwood for this great game, and to everyone taking the time to post writeups here.
Btw, how about an award for the best game-writeup?
Been moving house this month and didn't have time for a detailed writeup, unfortunately. Here's a high-level summary.
Opening
Founded 2SW, whipped a workboat and developed Beijing a bit, then founded Shanghai 3N. Met Hatchy and Ghengis. Unusual for me, I researched archery because I was running late to hook up the copper; this saved my neck when two archers made for Beijing and were stopped by all my warriors and a rushed archer. 3rd city was founded SE of Beijing in 835, on the river-tile adjacent to horses, rice and sugar.
The Egyptian War (520AD – 240BC)
Hatchy then took a barb city south of Beijing (near the gems), which led me to counterattack her wounded stack and (slightly prematurely from my pov) began the Egyptian War. Managed to knock out her only source of horses by taking Alexandria, deny her access to iron and advance on Memphis, on the southern isthmus. But then Ghengis declared on Hatchy as well and razed the city one turn ahead of the arrival of my stack. I turned south, took Thebes and made peace while Ghengis went on to raze another three egyptian cities. He finally took Heliopolis (dyes-city) and Hatchy was out.
Builder Mode
This left me the entire western third of of the continent to settle and pleased status with Ghengis so I spent the next 1000 years in builder mode. In one of my better moves, I founded Xian on the southern isthmus, which gave me a channel between the ocean and the inland lake. At the time, I thought I was doing really well, building the FP, GL (575), getting circumnavigation in 800 and setting up 11 cities in total. But Ghengis used this time to take five cities from India and amass a huge army.
The Mongol Wars (1208-1370, 1436-1538, 1580-1625)
When I finally got my nerve up to attack (bribing GK into war with Asoka first), the window for Chu-Ko-Nu’s was already beginning to close. I used them to take Heliopolis and secure the dies, then swept up three northern, formerly indian cities, including the jewish holy city complete with a shrine. The defense of my subcontinent was based squarely on longbows behind the walls of Xian, which held out well – but then Ghengis sent three galleons to attack thebes and I was barely able to beat him back and sue for peace.
Because he had so many units, it took two more wars (now with grenadiers and frigates) to take the southeastern half of the continent, even though I had a tech lead over Ghengis most of the time. It helped a lot to be able to sail on the lake, bombarding cities and ferrying in troops. In the end, I was running 60% culture against WW and fell six or seven techs behind Cathy though. Looking back, an earlier war with a bigger army of Chu-Ko’s would have sped up the conquest considerably and kept me in better shape tech-wise.
The Indian War (1679 – 1734)
After a short breather, I upgraded my catapults to cannons and marched straight north, taking Delhi and cutting the indian empire in two. Asoka was even in tech but had only few units which just sat around in his cities. War-weariness was the main problem in this campaign. However, when the smoke cleared, I was in posession of the entire starting continent save two cities, one founded by HC in the south after the egyptian war and one by Cathy in the far northeast (to claim the oil, as I later found out).
Buffing up and making friends
Five-hundred years of near constant warfare put me behind in tech, but ahead in production, food and soon gnp. For the next 100 years, the game was about growing my population, trading tech with Cyrus and upgrading the military. Staying a monarchy kept things quiet with Cathy and HC while I caught up. I built the Ironworks, Globe Theatre, Oxford,Westpoint and, in 1824, the UN. With 44% of the vote already mine, the plan was to grow that share to about 50% and switch to representation to get Cyrus’ support for a diplomatic victory. However, this meant dropping monarchy and the +4 with Cathy and HC, which were militarily stronger and locked in an alliance. I only dared do this when I had upgraded to infantry and destroyers. Cyrus then took longer than expected to warm to me, so I built up an invasion army, just in case. Just as I was moving my transports in for the attack, he finally made up his mind and supported my diplomatic victory in 1868.
Summary
I got really lucky in the Egyptian war, which was begun on a less than solid foundation but ended up a sweeping triumph thanks to Ghengis razing all of Hatchy’s cities for me. I then went on to squander this inheritance. The golden age of peace that was supposed to lay the foundation for a strong empire turned out to be a time-consuming trap: The delayed wars against Ghengis meant more Mongols, less leverage for Chu-Kos, longer wars, more culture expenses against WW and finally cost me the tech lead against Asoka, which in turn prolonged the Indian war. With more determination earlier on, I believe I could have taken over the continent in the 1600s and gone on to take either Cyrus or HC for backdoor domination, as jesusin and uberfish have demonstrated so admirably. As it stood, I was in for a pretty tedious endgame, where victory was never seriously at risk, but time just ran out.
It’s funny, but I seem to be learning the same lesson over and over. Whenever I move up a level, I drop some of my builder habits, take more risks … and yet here I am, on Immortal, still letting my builderish tendencies get the better of me … sigh.
Anyhow, thanks again to Ainwood for this great game, and to everyone taking the time to post writeups here.
Btw, how about an award for the best game-writeup?
... and as for the question about Deity: Of course I would play. But I would much prefer an undiluted Immortal game, or even a tough start on Emperor. IMHO, It's more satisfying to win on a lower level but without these heavy starting advantages.
Mad Professor
Deity
Jorunkun said:
I too would have a go at Diety, but I'd prefer something less. GOTM8 was my first solo Monarch game, GOTM9 my first emperor, and GOTM10 my first immortal. This process has improved my play quite a lot, and I actually won GOTM8 and GOTM10, and I'm grateful for that improvement, but I think I've reached the limit of useful stretching for the moment! Still, if it's diety, I'll have a go, at the very least.
wordsleywolf
Chieftain
First ever game at this level and first post on the spoilers! Lost space race to Catherine (and to be honest was still some way behind on Tech). Good learning experience though. I took Hatty's workers early but just could not overcome the early disadvantages and although I kept Egypt down the gap was too much when I did start chasing the Civs in techs. It did show however that even when a long way behind a human player can rapidly make up ground on the AI's.
The-Hawk
Old Original Geezer
Yeesh... abandoned military to go for diplo. Built UN with no problem, but Cathy and Huayna were damn near married by then (and had a defensive pact so I really couldn't take them on). No way to break up their voting block. Ghendis and Hatty wouldn't vote for me. Understandable since I had relegated them to a few island cities each. Cyrus was my pal, but we didn't have enough votes.
So, I did it the slow way, farming over every tile and building a fleet to take Ghengis' and Hatty's few remaining island cities. Took forever to grow enough population to finish, diplo win in 1830.
Should have stuck with a military goal, would have finished 100 years earlier.
So, I did it the slow way, farming over every tile and building a fleet to take Ghengis' and Hatty's few remaining island cities. Took forever to grow enough population to finish, diplo win in 1830.
Should have stuck with a military goal, would have finished 100 years earlier.
The-Hawk said:Yeesh... abandoned military to go for diplo. Built UN with no problem, but Cathy and Huayna were damn near married by then (and had a defensive pact so I really couldn't take them on). No way to break up their voting block. Ghendis and Hatty wouldn't vote for me. Understandable since I had relegated them to a few island cities each. Cyrus was my pal, but we didn't have enough votes. So, I did it the slow way, farming over every tile and building a fleet to take Ghengis' and Hatty's few remaining island cities. Took forever to grow enough population to finish, diplo win in 1830.
Funny, it seems we had a very similar endgame; Cyrus a weak ally, Cat and HC in a defensive pact. One thing I learned from this game is to keep an eye out early for civs with the same favorite civic (like HC and Cat), because its very likely that they will wind up in some sort of alliance.
The-Hawk
Old Original Geezer
Jorunkun said:
Yes, this was huge. I was kissing their rings all game, but never able to become as friendly as they were with each other. Once I had UN, I forced them to switch to Univ Suff so they lost the civics plusses. However, by then they had their pact, so they remained soul mates.
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