GOTM 34 - Final Spoiler

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GOTM 34 Final Spoiler



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OK, at 500AD I already had the game under control, and victory by domination was not a question of "if" but of "when". At 500AD I was guessing if I really push I could finish in 1500's maybe. Basically, 500AD to finish went like this:

Build stack, conquer France, heal, build stack, upgrade, conquer Germany, heal and build stacks, conquer barbs, upgrade, heal, reinforce, conquer Russia. Mao never dared attack me despite being annoyed or worse the whole game. I spared him because he had Grens when I was still using rifles, and didn't want to lose lots of units that could be needed against Russia or India. Also to note, I never went past rifles+cavalry. By the end of the game, China and India are my technological equals - constant warring does that to tech rates.

On the Russia continent, I actually settled one city right after Astronomy, which was then used to launch attack on 3 barb cities just after Bismark is dead. Ugg... lots of troop moving and healing... a logisticcal pain in the ass.

Catherine is so backwards that she fall very quickly after my attack starts. Just the time it takes to move stack around that whole continent (the whole world, actually). Never a decent contest. Frigates helped against high culture defenses. But then I'm at only 61% land area. OK, I need to heal and tech ahead some so I can take an Indian or Chinese city, I guess. God this is taking long. Anyhow, before I can attack anyone, my cities come out of revolt pushing me over the 64%.

Domination win. NOt satisfying. Quite tedious, actually. Knowing the outcome is inevitable for a millenium before I can pull it off takes something away. Next time we play a prince or lower level game, I have to try for victory conditions that I usually don't go for. At least that way I'll keep it interesting. Its not like I'm a master at warring or anything. I didn't win until the early 1800's. :(

Victory date 1811.
 
From first post - I had decided to stay at home and build culture.

Big mistake.

Kyoto was 75K, Osaka 50K, Tokyo 50K when Khan DOW'd on me (I suspect bribed by a long standing but eventless war with Germany.)

Khan invades and razes Tokyo. - No way for me to win after this.

Conquest loss in 1977.

Grrrr.....Should have gone for Domination.
 
I was going for Domination, I can't quite remember when I decided that but since my last two wins were spaceship and conquest and I don't really know how to do culture or diplomacy I thought I'd try it.
I was slow starting though and didn't get war started against Genghis until 1250 AD. I didn't really have a great amount of Samurais and Cats at this point but I managed to build enough to finish them off in 1556, then went at the French with my shiny new Grenadiers, and got them in 1740 before wiping China off their mainland in 1774.
I slowed down quite a bit against Germany, they were not quite the pushovers I was expecting after China and I was complacent. I had to declare peace with them after my initial push because I had lost a lot of units and war weariness was hampering my production of new ones. I finally beat them in 1879 with the help of a lot of Tanks, and the continent was mine, apart from a little Indian colony in the frozen wastes.
Fortunately for me Asoka was at war with Catherine, which made getting land on the other continent easier, Catherine was my easiest war of the lot, my Tanks rolled over her Riflemen and finished her in 1897. Stupidly I let a city which I had taken undefended and she took it back, this wouldn't have been a problem except it was then easy for Asoka to take it with one unit. This delayed victory by some turns I think. I'm sure that's nothing compared to some of the other decisions I made but their effects aren't as obvious.
I could have just waited for the culture expansions to take me over the limit, but since China's last city was just sitting there I decided to have that in 1899. Domination win in 1901. This was my first Domination and Prince win, so I can go dance a merry jig.
 
I played final part of my game without proper concentration and finished it in first half 14 century.
Khan and Louis was fully eliminated. Opponent - Asoka. As I remember - rest AI voted for me.
 
Culture seemed the least logical choice for the civ - and start location - so I figured I would give it a go.

My culture cities were, the capitol, x2 fish + sheep to the south, and the grassland + cows to the north. I was able to found Taoism and Confucianism .

I wanted the CS sling as I would need to link up some farms and samuris are always nice. However I was beat to the oracl and had to research it the old fashioned way. I was able to get the Parthenon but missed out on the pyramids. This was significant as I my culture cities had very slow build rates, and I wanted to use democracy to buy cathedrals.

However Berlin had pyramids, Colossus, and the GL. Once I could build samurai, I sent over a stack to take this juicy city. I kept Berlin and a 2nd German city that could be used for GP production. I then began the process of building temples, transferring Buddhism and Hinduism to my island, and buying cathedrals.

I had a mid 1800's win which I feel was pretty good considering the conditions. I also messed up my win date by several turns by accidentally selecting engineering as my free tech when I discovered liberalism.
 
At 500AD I was poised to take the Mongolian capital. It duly fell a couple of turns later and I accepted peace in exchange for a couple of crucial techs: Currency and Monarchy. I wanted to keep the Mongolians alive; their last few cities were iceballs and it left a weak and unpopular rival to distract the other AIs.

The new lands were green but underdeveloped. I started spamming cottages but it would be a long time before I could rely on them for research. The recovery plan was: tech Feudalism and build longbows; max out my GP farm and bulb towards Liberalism; pick the next target for a post-lib war. The French were tech leaders and Buddhist buddies of the Chinese. Bismark was already lagging badly.

I burned Great Scientists for paper and 1/2 of education, moved my capital to Karakorum, built the forbidden palace on the starting island and was first to Liberalism in about 1200. I took Nationalism and beelined Guilds for a knight + samurai assault on Napoleon. This was a mistake - my cities couldn't really support sustained drafting yet. Getting Guilds earlier would have brought the next war forward about 50 years.

Just as my troops massed for the assault on France, Qin declared war out of the blue. I had seen his WHEOOHRN status but I was sure Bismark would be the target. We didn't share a land border so my troops would have to traverse French territory to reach him, but I couldn't turn down an opportunity for a quick war with no diplo demerits. I was able to bribe Napoleon to backstab his erstwhile ally and it was game over for the Chinese. They were eliminated finally in 1628. By this time I had largely shut down research to raise cash. Samurai were upgraded to grens; riflemen were drafted non-stop from my former GP farm - now a globe city. I rolled through France and Germany in quick succession.

Were there enough tiles to claim a dom victory on the starting continent? I wasn't sure so I pushed the research slider back up as far as destroyers, transports and infantry. Catherine didn't put up much of a fight and I was still picking off the last of her cities when I hit the dom limit in 1875.

I built too many units in this game - it should have been won at least 100 years earlier. I have a bad habit of delaying war until I have a clear numerical advantage. At monarch this backfires as the AI has time to catch up with my early tech lead. I managed my GPs better than usual, but I forgot to prioritise an early prophet despite spreading Confucianism. I could have picked a more efficient tech path and timed my builds better - for example building theatres and the Globe in anticipation of drafting instead of reaching Nationalism and then finding my happy caps wouldn't allow it. Overally pretty happy though.

Good set of problems posed by the map too - cheers ainwood :thumbsup:
 
My plan was to move SE, settle in the, hopefully, cottage friendly space quickly get a second city and chop GLig in it to boast trading in ALL cities.

Well, the move was not exactly a wise thing to do as it only netted me desert. Stubburn as I am I kept with the plan know moving back would lose 2 turn I take me out of any award raise anyway.

Seemd to work ok at GLig is build and I get good progress on capital wonders (CS sling, pyramids) and settling the island. Then I check on Kyotos trading and finds no extra trade routs! What is going on here, were are they! A quick check in the rules later my state of mind is:

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All COASTAL cities! :mad:. Nice planing moron!

Well with the last chances of anything good happening on this one I played around. Warred because it was fun, did a lot of raising ending with a spaceship launched in 2028 when Asoka only had one piece left I did not dare to wait as I wanted the victory. I had killed all AI on the close contient but there was a lot of indian and som russians cities on it were I had left space raising.

Well, I might have an outside shot a the cow at least...
 
Domination win 1758AD.

I planned for war from the beginning, but as I'm not comfortable with siegeless wars I didn't start until I had samurais+cats. The CS sling succeeded (first time I've tried it), after which I went for Machinery and Construction and declared on Gengis around 900AD. Left him with Hun on the east coast 1100AD (got techs for peace) and went for Napoleon. Finished him and Gengis around 1300AD.

At that time I had an army of more than 20 C1/C2+CR3/CR2 samurais + ca 15 cats. I could probably have taken on China with this force, but decided to tech and build for a little while and went for chemistry. Then I upgraded the samurais to grens and got cannons shortly after. Declared on China around 1500 AD and Bismarck immediately after destroying the Chinese civilization (how cruel does that sound? I mean, I kept most of the cities with buildings and stuff). I took Berlin around 1670 and soon after that I learned Astronomy.

Asoka didn't want to trade techs with me (at least not those I wanted), so I decided to take some of his cities to assure my domination win (instead of the left-behind and constantly Annoyed Russian chick) . Basically, the nice cities on the Northwestern part of his continent. I started with Bangalore, then took Delhi (with the Mahaboudi 25gpt and many other nice buildings :), then some more and finally Madras before taking tech++ for peace. A few rounds later my domination was a fact :)

The grens were highly effective, so instead of going for rifles (as I usually do) I researched Corporation and employed a GE to build Wall Street in Tokyo with the Confucian Shrine (I had spread confucianism to 40+ cities). Then I got cavalry, but they came too late to see any action. The game was over before I had even learned Rifling, in fact Asoka gave me Replaceable Parts as part of the peace deal.
 
I planned for war from the beginning also. :) Then seeing that I had my own little island, I decided that culture might be fun. :D Took a barb city across the strait between Kahn and Biz because it was there.:crazyeye: Biz Dow's out of no where so I razed his closest city and then make peace for a tech. Decide that Kahn actually has some nice looking ground so back to war I go.:D As you can tell, I wasn't really focused on the culture route any more! :sad: But I got really bored in the middle and decided on a late game diplo win instead. Built the UN in a captured Kahn city then gave it back to him. Won on the 1st vote in the mid 1700's iirc.:cool:
 
I couldn't take over everyone quickly enough despite overwhelming power superiority and lost when the much-hated Asoka launched his spaceship in 1970AD. Another GOTM loss for me.
 
Kinda butchered this game, and it took forever to finish. My computer could barely handle the troops at the end, but oh well.

Captured and eliminated The French, the Germans, the Chinese and the Mongols in that order controlling my continent (After throwing the Russians and the Indians off it near the end). Had also captured a barb city on the other continent, so that was enough for domination. Would've played on for conquest, but Asoka was going for space, and quite frankly I couldn't be bothered... the game was long enough allready :)

A whopping 1944 AD finish.. first domination GOTM win, but the slowest and most painful game ever... got things to learn in the art of war department :)

Never really felt threatened for the win, but I mean.. 1944?! .. meeeh
 
First game back after a long time! (about a year)

Played this one on a new a pc and it's funny to see all the animations that my laptop was shamefully unable to handle. Although i did miss the old horses battling on water.

Anyway my game, perfect start really. I was never really bothered by barbs. By 500AD I had built the oracle, painfully missed out on stonehenge by a turn, but it did make me rich! I'd discovered enough tech to get me samouris by then and I had already taken a couple of mongul cities on the mainland.

At this point I b-lined to guilds and whilst waiting for the knights I wiped out the moguls and the French. Once I had the knights before the longbowmen were elsewhere established then an early victory was guaranteed. Bismark proved a bit stubborn and I was late to start moving the culture slider so I lost quite a lot of time and had to conquer the barb cities below Catherine.

Domination in 1649AD. Very happy with that and Prince was definately the right level to start back at. Thanks for an enjoyable game as always!!
 
I had three goals in this game

1. Win before 1700 AD.
2. Score more than 100K (which I have never done) and
3. Win by a conquest.

and ended up not getting any one of them.

I accidently (well had to keep my culture up to 40% to keep folks happy) triggered a domination victory in 1709 when I kept a bunch of Ashoka's cities. Catherine had two cities left and my calvery was heading there without the granadiers and cannons.

Eventhough there were two to three stacks of armies were attacking, I was not very aggressive with the attacks and almost always had too many units doing nothing. I did notice one thing. Only the capital and the holy cities had large number of units. All the other cities had two units typically. So I wonder if going after/toward the capital is the best approach? Any comments welcome from warmongers. I was a peaceful player upto now.
 
When I realized we were on an island, I made sure I founded some cities on the continent and kept them well-fortified with axes. I had a nice stack and was just about to upgrade them all to sams thanks to a great merch. Perfect. Two axes in a galley that I'll unload next turn and upgrade, then wipeout the mongols. I was asked to join the fight against the mongols. Nice timing! I join. No iron on the continent! Even though my continental cites are on the coast, my trade link seems to run through the mongols. I can't upgrade. Well, nothing to do but take a mongol city on the coast with axes. No great losses thankfully and I can upgrade. I sweep through the mongols and leave them one ice city. Now we all have someone to hate. I've got a lovely civ and decide to play nice and carry a big stick. If someone declares I'll wipe them out, otherwise, see you in space. Got there in the 1950s. I was surprised that Asoka kept up. I'd guess he was only 10-15 turns behind on the spaceship.
 
Until 500AD I was planning to go for a fast diplo game, hoping to finish just a few centuries later than Gosha190. ;) That plan consisted in taking out Khan and making friends with the rest of the continent, which was all jewish. The likely rival would be Asoka or Cathy (buddhist and hindu), as they had plenty of land to expand.

But apparently Napoleon didn't like this plan much. Maybe by Khan's request, he attacked me while I was still fighting the Mongols. Ok, to Plan B then. Conquer Mongolia and France. At some point I had the choice of either sticking to a longer Diplo game, or going for Domination, or just farm the hell out of the new cities, convert to Caste/Rep/Pacifism and run a mostly SE economy while cruising to Space.

As the submission deadline was closing in, I chose the latter (faster in RL time than Domination, at least for my playing style), and launched in 1825AD.

Interesting map and setup, thanks to staff for yet another amusing GOTM. :)
 
This was my first game of the month. Nice that it was Prince and an isolated start. It was a race to get domination before spaceships were launched. Then became a race to finish by the end of the month. :lol:

Somehow didn't manage to attack anyone with my Samarai. China and Germany each managed to get a city on My island :sad: as I was building settlers for those locations!

I tried to stay friendly with everyone until it was time to attack them. Napoleon was nice enough to declare war against me, so France was our first conquest using Catapults, Cavalry and Grenadiers. Then on to Mongolia. Part way into Mongolia, China DoWs; so, peace with Khan and head south to conquer China.

Russia and India started some cities on coast of big continent where I'd razed cities. Seems you should keep all cities if you want all the land.

After conquering France and China, built a lot of Tanks and Cannons and took care of Mongolia. Then upgraded Cannons to Artillery and it was my good buddy's Germany's turn.

I now had 60% of land area, but Asoka and Catherine were making good progress building their spaceship. I did have a beachhead on their continent where Germany had planted a couple cities in the NE. DoW'd on Cathy, took her 2 cities on the main continent while attacking Russia in the NE and the SE. I'm still behind technologically at this point but my forces are irresistible.

Same turn that I won the Domination Victory I also won the Diplomacy victory. Perhaps I should have stopped the conquest and settled for the diplomacy win. It was nice getting both victories on same turn.

Guess 1980's nothing to brag about. Will see how I do in October at Monarch.

Thanks again to CivFanatics community and staff.
:king:
 
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