GOTM 75 Spoiler

[URUWASHI]

The map is a bit complex , because all landmasses are the same.
The only way I could sort each Island was by using Alphabetical names , then the Island #....to avoid trading to any Island over 63. For Instance , since I was obligued to settle Islands North and South of starting location ....and I colonized all 9...the one on top Island 12 , was called Albania 12, then the next south Algeria 24, then Andorra 36 , Angola 18 and Argentina 60...
The last 4 , were called Armenia , Australia , Auckland ans Azazuna ..no numbers , since they are " 63 " , so I rarely used them for trade .
As Caravans were built , the last number , allow me to consider IF I wanted a Food or a Silk ..Copper Caravan..then get graet Pay outs.
As I conquered all other Civs , with the Exception of One cityto avoid restars , had to rename , all French , Spanish ...etc ..ruled by a North South bases.
After map was traded with Indians , shows that is 12 Columns of Islands , So I Used A. B . C etc....until L , to name my cities due to location ..thats makes my search very easy.
Besides that , its a fun Game.
I have my pet peeves....One is to build all 28 Wanders ,Build a 40.000 Ship and the third is to avoild losing Units.
So Far I have all 15 wonders in control , all 5 civs have one city with the exeption of Indians...they have 3...and so far I have not lost a SINGLE unit....
I By passed the Destroyer strategy..since I am in full command of the game. With Purple Back and having TWO Science cities ..due to the Fact that Spaniards Build Colossus and Japanese Copernicus , and having massive trade ....Techs are coming 1 per turn ....and I am just on 200 BC.
With all this islands will take a few turns to assemble a 40.000 ship....but right now , Im just taking a step at the time.

 

[CharlieChuck]

WOW! You managed to ally with 3 out of 4 rivals!

I went back to some of my old saves for some experimentation and no matter what I tired they would not want to ally with me. Of course, I did not have much to gift them with but you did not gift them a lot either. How did you manage to get these alliances?

If i remember right, the spanish were at war with the persians and me, I don't know if that would have mattered? All three civ's demanded a tech on first contact, which I gave them. Maybe swapping techs after signing peace treaty was enough to make them want alliance.

Overall, I caught up in power very quickly so didn't get that many gifts off them (maybe just the three at the start) and the alliances (apart from persians) ended by 1000bc, probably my constant asking for gifts when I was superior to them didn't help

 

[Magic_gorter]

turn 102:1980BC -
turn 103:1960BC Antium builds Copernicus / bribed Bactra(14) with warrior code and 12g
turn 104:1940BC >1M
turn 105:1920BC -
turn 106:1900BC -
turn 107:1880BC -
turn 108:1860BC -
turn 109:1840BC Banking->Engineering
turn 110:1820BC -
turn 111:1800BC -
turn 112:1780BC -
turn 113:1760BC Shakespeare's Theatre in Antium
turn 114:1740BC -
turn 115:1720BC Syracuse(15) / Caesaraugusta(16)
turn 116:1700BC -
turn 117:1680BC car 172g
turn 118:1660BC >2M / hut->nomad
turn 119:1640BC Palmyra(17)
turn 120:1620BC Engineering->Sanitation / car 172g+120g+116g / get University
turn 121:1600BC car 504g / Jerusalem(18)
turn 122:1580BC Sanitation->Theory of Gravity / car 62g+248g
turn 123:1560BC -
turn 124:1540BC car 252g
turn 125:1520BC Theory of Gravity->Monotheism / car 336g
turn 126:1500BC car 140g+96g

Status at -1500
Population: 2,93M; Cities: 18; Trade routes: ?; Government: Republic
Money: 1446 gold; Cost per turn: 15; Total advances: 29; Production: 70MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Collossus, Lighthouse, Marco Polo
Units: 3 settler, 13 triremes, 8 diplomat, 3 caravans

turn 127: 1480BC >3,0M
turn 128: 1460BC Monotheism->Economics / Caesarea(19)
turn 129: 1440BC Antium builds Isaac Newton's College / car 176g
turn 130: 1420BC -
turn 131: 1400BC >4,0M
turn 132: 1380BC -
turn 133: 1360BC Economics->Invention / car 152g / Tarentum(20)
turn 134: 1340BC Nicomedia(21) / car 148g
turn 135: 1320BC >5M / car 128g
turn 136: 1300BC Invention->Navigation (got from Spanish)
turn 137: 1280BC ->Physics / Seleucia(22) / car 490g
turn 138: 1260BC -
turn 139: 1240BC Physics->Magnetism / 132g+52g
turn 140: 1220BC -
turn 141: 1200BC >6M
turn 142: 1180BC car 208g
turn 143: 1160BC Magnetism->Democracy / Antium builds Leonardo's Workshop / car 240g+43g
turn 144: 1140BC -
turn 145: 1120BC -
turn 146: 1100BC Democracy->Gunpowder / car 492g+444g / Artaxata(23)
turn 147: 1080BC Gunpowder->Chemistry (got from Japanese) / Aurelianorum(24) / car 110g+112g / revolution
turn 148: 1060BC Democracy
turn 149: 1040BC Explosives / car 252g
turn 150: 1020BC Antium builds Michelangelo's / Explosives->Steam Engine / car 354g+47g / Hippo Regius(25)
turn 151: 1000BC >7M

Status at -1000
Population: 7,00M; Cities: 25; Government: Democracy
Money: 1052 gold; Cost per turn: 37; Total advances: 39; Production: 106MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Collossus, Lighthouse, Marco Polo, Michelangelo's, Copernicus, Shakespeare, Leonardo and Isaac Newton
Units: 10 engineers, 17 galleon, 12 diplomat, 5 caravans

 

[Ali Ardavan]

The map is a bit complex , because all landmasses are the same.

OK, now I know what you mean by complex. The map is indeed hard to keep track of.

The only way I could sort each Island was by using Alphabetical names , then the Island #....to avoid trading to any Island over 63. For Instance , since I was obligued to settle Islands North and South of starting location ....and I colonized all 9...the one on top Island 12 , was called Albania 12, then the next south Algeria 24, then Andorra 36 , Angola 18 and Argentina 60...

Quite creative. Using map analysis I knew right from the begining that we are dealing with 12 columns. To be able to keep track of things, I am naming my cities in each column after a different Civ2 civilization. For example, the column left to my home column all have Babylonian names, next one have German names, ...

I like your idea of a special designation for the ones numbered 63.

 

[URUWASHI]

I changed the names , several times....
Then the column idea seems to work better in this Map.
Beacuse all Islands look the same , I though about adding the number at the end.
Still , have issues moving transports...in one turn I will move them north then next turn south....I lost 2 turns and Im on the same location.
I finally concluded that the ideal chain will be betwen 2 Island groups and get my Transports on Sentry..then wait for the Caravans...then pick them up....then get to the randevou point.
Had to attack my frineds , the Indians since they built SST..
Then I realized it wont make a difference....my Top Science City is Over 24...had to build a Collisseum and a Temple.
I am now on 1 AD....Techs are coming 1 per turn.
Trade Change is helping the deliveries.
Oil was just available bot wont be on demand until Automobil , Mass Production , Superhighways are built ...10 Cities are producing OIL
The Oil Carvanas will be station near Science City, and then delivered..
THat will add some 300 to 500 per turn I hope .
At this level will be able to raise 10.000 in a few turns
Structurals will be easy to build...1 dismanteled Rifleman and 1 Caravan ...
I need 39...
Building the rest of the SS will be a bit tough.
Im planning to build at least 20 Airports with that Money ....all concentrated on my top cities.
I think groups of 5 Airports ..and 2 Transports will do the trick to get my Modules ready.
Then I will get 4 cities on each Hexagon to work on the rest.

 

[CharlieChuck]

The city names are a problem for me as well, Turns are taking a long time and probably over half that time is spent working out wether a transport should go up / down. I've got a diagonal ship chain going nearly all the way from top right to bottom left, but having to pick up freight and meet the chain is time consuming.

I've never changed names before, but this is an exceptional map and now I'm getting city names appearing twice, I'm going to have to do it. I've thought about adding a grid reference to the start, excel style i.e. A5 Rome.

Also the AI's aren't building aquaducts? They have construction and surplus food but so far the seem content to stay at size 8, and have 5 or 6 cities trying to build the same wonder. This is limiting Caravan/freight deliveries. I'm going to have to start trading with myself. If they don't build aquaducts soon I might as well capture their cities.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

I'm Out

I had just finished mapmaking and sent settlers out to settle, when the spanish showed up and walked into my empty capital to end the game. I didn't save my log, but it was much earlier than what you ran into. For some reason the -3600s comes to mind but I could be wrong. It happened a couple weeks ago.

It's been years since I lost a game (under similar, early-game situation) and when it happens, it's at warlord level. Go figure.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Date Notes

-4000 Rome founded. Citizen on forest. Settler started. T4L0S6
-3980 7 shields bought.
-3940 Despotism established.
-3920 -> Alphabet
-3840 Alphabet -> Mapmaking
-3780 Size 1 settler produced.
-3760 5 shields bought.
-3640 Mapmaking -> Code of Laws
-3620 Trireme produced.
-3580 Advanced tribe founds Veii.
-3540 Science city of Antium founded with access to 2 whales and a fish.
-3500 Spanish capture Rome without warning. Palace and 30 shields lost. I cannot even contact them diplomatically.
-3440 Code of Laws -> Horseback riding. Spanish horseman lands near Veii which is protected by a trireme and offer peace. I accept. They ignore my demand for tribute. My power, not surprisingly, is the lowest it can be: Inadequate.
-3200 Cumae founded.
-3160 Horseback riding -> Ceremonial Burial.
-3080 Neapolis founded.
-3000 Ceremonial Burial -> Monarchy

Status at -3000
Population: 0.08M; Cities: 4; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Despotism
Gold: 2 Cost per turn: 0; Total advances: 5; Production: 9MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders:
Units: 1 None Settler, 3 Warriors, 1 Trireme
Japanese: No contact
French: No contact
Spanish: No embassy
Persian: No contact

-2940 My horseman lands near Rome. Spanish offer alliance; I decline. I demand tribute; they decline. Horseman kills warrior defending Rome turning vet. Second Horseman takes Rome for 29g and Masonry. Horseman kills Spanish horseman and turns vet. Rome starts rebuilding its palace.
-2820 Monarchy -> Bronze Working. Monarchy established. T7L0S3
-2700 Spanish Chariot lands near Rome and dies in attack on Rome. T3L0S7
-2660 Spanish build the Lighthouse. Babylon founded.
-2620 Ur founded.
-2600 Palace rebuilt.
-2580 Bronze Working -> Currency. Pompeii founded.
-2520 Currency -> Trade.
-2500 Spanish raze Ur.
-2460 Berlin founded.
-2440 Trade -> Writing. Leipzig founded.
-2380 Persians build Pyramids. Writing -> Polytheism.
-2320 Pisae founded.
-2300 Polytheism -> Mysticism.
-2240 Lutetia founded.
-2220 Mysticism -> Literacy.
-2200 Colossus built. T7L0S3.
-2120 Spanish horseman lands near Pompeii and demands Polytheism. I refuse. The horseman is killed in attack on my fortified warrior. Persian Trireme shows up near Leipzig.
-2100 Hamburg founded.
-2080 Literacy -> Philosophy.
-2060 Marco built. Rivals have 8 techs I do not. All but Spanish have all my techs. Persians declare war as soon as I meet them. Japanese cut me off after I offered them tech gift (should have checked first). French turn down my offer of peace. So much for Marco. I am glad I did not slow down Colossus for it. T3L0S7. I need to get Philosophy for knowledge exchange.
-2020 Power jumped to Mighty. First Library built.
-2000 Frankfurt founded.

Status at -2000
Population: 0.8M; Cities: 13; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Monarchy
Gold: 3 Cost per turn: 1; Total advances: 14; Production: 52MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Colossus, Marco
Units: 4 (1 None) Settlers, 5 Warriors, 6 Phalanx, 2 Horsemen, 2 Elephants, 3 Trireme, 1 diplomat, 1 Caravan
Japanese: 7 cities, 21 techs, 8 units;
French: 7 cities, 21 techs, 20 units;
Spanish: 8 cities, 17 techs, 27 units; Lighthouse
Persian: 7 cities, 22 techs, 13 units; Pyramids

-1960 Philosophy -> Monotheism -> Medicine.
-1940 Power back to Strong. Japanese Kagoshima discovered.
-1920 Rivals knowledge exchange amongst themselves drops my power down to Moderate.
-1900 Medicine -> Republic. Syracuse founded. T7L0S3
Philosophy, Medicine -> Japanese -> Republic. I refused Monotheism for peace. They cut me off.
Philosophy, Medicine -> French (4) -> peace.
Philosophy, Medicine -> Persian (6) -> peace. My demand for tribute caused war again.
-1880 -> Banking.
-1840 Spanish land 2 units next to Frankfurt. Library sold for 80. Spanish horseman bought for 102 and used to kill Spanish catapult.
-1820 Viroconium founded.
-1800 Elephant kills Spanish Archer. Crusader takes Valladolid for 77 and Seafaring.
-1740 Moscow founded.
-1660 Zimbabwe and St. Petersburg founded.
-1620 Nineveh founded. My power is supreme. Reached cease fire with Persians but no tribute.
-1600 Persians build Shakespeare.
-1580 Lagash founded on the South Pole.
-1560 Persian Trireme near Frankfurt.
-1540 Japanese ascended to Cordial. I did a map exchange even though I had already located 5 of their 7 cities. Unfortunately they have not explored beyond their home area.
-1500 None settler from hut.
-1480 Baking -> Math. Banking -> French -> maps. Japanese scoff at Banking for exchange. Banking -> Persian (5) -> Astronomy, maps.
-1460 Japanese build Great Library. Ashur founded.
-1440 French build Great Wall.
-1420 Copernicus built. Beijing founded.
-1400 Spanish build Oracle.
-1380 Trireme lost in attack on loaded Spanish one.
-1360 Persians deliver to Beijing. Thebes founded. 50g from hut.
-1340 Trireme sinks Spanish Trireme and 2 units aboard. Bonn, Samarra, Eridu, and Ulundi founded.
-1320 Minsk founded. Enthusiastic Japanese ignore my demand for tribute.
-1300 Memphis founded.
-1240 Hannover and Bapedi founded. Enthusiastic Japanese ignore my demand for tribute; Enthusiastic Persians declare war over my demand for tribute.
-1220 My trireme died attacking a Persian Trireme which has been wandering in my area for a long time. Their French and Japanese allies declared war on me.
-1200 Spanish raze Bonn. Spanish chariot killed in attack on my settler. Persian Trireme killed in attack on mine. Hlobane founded. Reached cease fire with Japanese and peace with French. Persians do not want to talk.
-1180 Spanish Trireme destroyed in attack on my vet one.
-1160 Math -> University. Stuttgart founded. Domestic Salt to science city for 88 establishes my first trade route. Reached peace with Persians.
-1140 Crusader kills Spanish legion defending Salamanca and turns vet. Next crusader takes the city for Oracle, 85g, Engineering, and a Granary.
-1120 Crusader kills pikeman defending Spanish Cordoba which has another defender.
-1100 Spanish kill my crusader.
-1080 Intombe founded. Bonn founded again.
-1060 Uruk founded.
-1040 Madrid attacked with 4 Crusaders. The vet one kills a pikeman, another 2 kill legions, and the final one takes Madrid for the coveted Lighthouse, 87g, and Construction. Hides to Spanish Cordoba for 296. Spanish Cordoba bought for 490. Got 133g, Iron Working, 2 structures, 3 units, and a settler. Spanish legion killed.
Monotheism -> Japanese -> University. Monotheism -> Persian -> Sanitation.
Sanitation, Monotheism -> French -> Bridge Building.
-1020 -> Theory of Gravity. Kiev and Spahan founded. Gems to Persian Pasargadae for 580.
-1000 Theory of Gravity -> Pottery. King Richard built. Akkad founded.

Status at -1000
Population: 3.06M; Cities: 42; Trade routes: 4D2F; Government: Monarchy
Gold: 230 Cost per turn: 7; Total advances: 29; Production: 158MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Colossus, Lighthouse, Oracle, Marco, Copernicus, King Richard
Units: 18 (2 None) Settlers, 2 Warriors, 28 Phalanx, 1 Archer, 1 Legion, 3 Horsemen, 2 Elephants, 11 Crusaders, 17 Trireme, 4 diplomats, 16 Caravan
Japanese: 7 cities, 34 techs, 6 units; Great Library
French: 7 cities, 33 techs, 20 units; Great Wall
Spanish: 5 cities, 22 techs, 17 units;
Persian: 7 cities, 34 techs, 14 units; Pyramids, Shakespeare

-0960 Barbarian s land near defenseless Intombe and demand half my treasury. I comply and pay the 92g.
-0940 Spanish capital moved to Seville. Ellipi founded. Turned down Spanish offers of Navigation or 200g for cease fire. Crusaders kill 2 defenders of Spanish Toledo and capture the city for 111g, Pottery, and Granary. London founded.
-0920 -> Invention. Hanging Gardens built. Smolensk founded. Silk to Persian Tarsus for 640.
-0900 Invention -> Democracy. Pi-Ramesses founded. Silk from science city to Spanish Seville for 426. Silk to Persian Persepolis for 420. Using 2 regular and 2 vet crusaders the new Spanish capital of Seville is captured after losing a crusader and killing 2 pikemen. Got 69g, Chivalry, Barracks, and Harbor. Accepted Spanish offer of 300g for peace. They have less than 100g, 3 cities, and no capital. Invention -> Persian -> Navigation.
-0880 Bremen and Heliopolis founded. Copper to French Lyons for 60.
-0860 Democracy -> Physics. Shanghai and Canton founded.
-0840 Athens and Shiraz founded. Revolution started.
-0820 Democracy established. T2L2S6. Munich founded. Deliveries: Persian 648.
-0800 Physics -> Magnetism.
-0780 Heroic Phalanx survives 2 barbarian Knight attacks and turns vet. Umtata founded. Physics -> Persian -> Chemistry. Deliveries: Persian 267.
-0760 Leo built. Elephantine founded. Deliveries: Persian 177
-0740 Heroic Phalanx survives another barbarian Knight. Magnetism -> Atomic Theory. Deliveries: Persian 360, Domestic 249. Dresden founded.
-0720 Atomic Theory -> Gunpowder. Deliveries: Domestic 152+105+189+116
-0700 Persians build Michelangleo. The Japanese who were almost done abandon their effort! Why did they not switch to Magellan? They had 3 cities building this wonder and all 3 abandoned! Gunpowder -> Explosives. Gunpowder -> Japanese -> Steam Engine. Gunpowder -> Persian. Deliveries: Domestic 153, Persian 292
-0680 Invention -> French -> Economics. Deliveries: Domestic 189+153. Magnetism -> Japanese
-0660 Explosives -> Metallurgy. Nanking and Odessa founded. Deliveries: Domestic 261, Japanese 210+168.
-0640 Metallurgy -> Conscription. Deliveries: Domestic 252+111, Japanese 228. Tsingtao founded. 2 barbarian crusaders bought for 82 each. Both are None. One kills another barbarian crusader and turns vet. Metallurgy, Explosives -> Persian.
-0620 Deliveries: French 384. Steam Engine, Metallurgy, Explosives, Chemistry -> French. Sparta founded.
-0600 Conscription -> Electricity. Newton built. Sevastopol and Alexanderia founded.
-0580 Deliveries: Domestic 189. Spanish settler, turned None, bought for 200.
-0560 Japanese build Eiffel. Electricity -> Refrigeration. Magellan built. Deliveries: Domestic 94+177+207+167. Spanish settler, turned None, bought for 204.
-0540 Refrigeration -> Fundamentalism. Deliveries: Domestic 177+255, Japanese 450. Spanish settler, turned None, bought for 200.
-0520 Fundamentalism -> Leadership. Mpondo and Karakorum founded. Deliveries: Domestic 330+78+114+250. T4L2S4
-0500 Steam Engine -> Persian -> Leadership. Deliveries: Domestic 180+168.

Status at -500
Population: 14.62M; Cities: 66; Trade routes: 54D15F; Government: Democracy
Gold: 39 Cost per turn: 96; Total advances: 48; Production: 320MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Colossus, Lighthouse, Oracle, Hanging Gardens, Marco, Copernicus, King Richard, Magellan, Leo, Newton
Units: 12 (5 None) Engineers, 2 Musketeers, 51 Riflemen, 14 Dragoons, 20 Galleon, 10 diplomats, 21 Caravan
Japanese: 7 cities, 43 techs, 3 units; Great Library, Eiffel
French: 7 cities, 43 techs, 15 units; Great Wall
Spanish: 3 cities, 30 techs, 6 units; no capital
Persian: 7 cities, 44 techs, 11 units; Pyramids, Shakespeare, Michelangelo

 

[Peaster]

Sincere condolences to Tim, Agni, Ali and any other victims of the Spanish and/or Persians. It's impractical to defend all these little islands in the opening, so IMO losing cities this way is just bad luck - not a result of poor play. Looks like Ali made a remarkable comeback afer losing Rome.

I didn't get the hut-AT, and lost two cities (and supported boat + ele + van). One was actually defended, but only with a warrior. That was around 2500BC, so I had enough other cities to play on. I was even a bit lucky the Spanish didn't take a third city at the same time.

Now I am plodding thru the industrialization phase (1280BC) when bonuses are small. Not much to do, except build Wonders and wait for transports and freight to make trading fun again.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Sincere condolences to Tim, Agni, Ali and any other victims of the Spanish and/or Persians. It's impractical to defend all these little islands in the opening, so IMO losing cities this way is just bad luck - not a result of poor play.

In general, I agree with you. The risk of losing cities early on is not worth the cost of defense. However, this case was different, and we should have known better. Top 5 cities showed 5 Japanese cities. It was reasonable to assume all rivals have that many cities. We had no way of knowing what techs they had, but it was not a stretch to think that the scenario designer has given them some techs as well. Thus it was reasonable to conclude that they may be visiting us with their unsinkable triremes soon.

All we needed to do was to protect our cities with a single warrior. All 3 of us who lost our capital left it defenseless and the AI just walked in. We were unlucky too. I ran some experiments afterwards and noticed another possibility. Even though in all cases I was visited by the Spanish in -3500 or -3480, some times they would land and demand a tech and then offer peace if I complied. A single warrior would have eliminated the first possibility.

Looks like Ali made a remarkable comeback afer losing Rome.

Thanks for the compliment. I am glad I did not give up on the game.

 

[Magic_gorter]

turn 152: 980BC Steam Engine->Metallurgy / Nicopolis(26) / car 110g+90g
turn 153: 960BC Londinium(27) / car 210g+98g
turn 154: 940BC Metallurgy->Electricity / Eburacum(28)
turn 155: 920BC get Bridge Building and Chivalry from Spanish / Arretium(29)+Gordion(30) / hut->25g
turn 156: 900BC Electricity->Railroad / Agrippina(31)+Cyrene(32)+Tyrus(33)
turn 157: 880BC Railroad->Industrialization / >8M / Verona(34)+Corfinium(35)
turn 158: 860BC Mediolanum(36) / car 195g
turn 159: 840BC Industrialization->Atomic Theory / Treveri(37)+Sirmium(38) / car 732g
turn 160: 820BC Atomic Theory->The Corporation / car 222g / Augustadorum(39)
turn 161: 800BC car 176g
turn 162: 780BC The Corporation->Electronics / car 246g
turn 163: 760BC -
turn 164: 740BC Electronics->Refining / Trapezus(40) / car 154g+198g
turn 165: 720BC >9M / car 138g+134g+450g
turn 166: 700BC Refining->Combustion / car 408g
turn 167: 680BC Combustion->Steel / car 480g+282g / Bagacum(41)
turn 168: 660BC car 265g
turn 169: 640BC Steel->Automobile / car 144g+158g+148g / Lauriacum(42)
turn 170: 620BC Automobile->Mass Production / >10M / Teurnia(43)
turn 171: 600BC Curia(44) / car 101g / Naples(45)
turn 172: 580BC Mass Production->Leadership / >11M / car 262g+116g
turn 173: 560BC Leadership->Conscription / Issus(46) / car 342g
turn 174: 540BC car 228g
turn 175: 520BC Conscription->Tactics / car 432g / Cunaxa(47)
turn 176: 500BC Tactics->Machine Tools / >12M / car 628g+100g+343g / Cremona(48)+Cannae(49)

Status at -0500
Population: 12,38M; Cities: 49; Government: Democracy
Money: 682 gold; Cost per turn: 79; Total advances: 58; Production: 217MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Collossus, Lighthouse, Marco Polo, Michelangelo's, Copernicus, Shakespeare, Leonardo and Isaac Newton
Units: 14 engineers, 28 transports, 21 diplomat, 9 freight


turn 177: 480BC Machine Tools->Miniaturization / car 355g+552g / hut->50g
turn 178: 460BC Capua(50)
turn 179: 440BC Miniaturization->Computers / >13M / car 288g+492g+344g
turn 180: 420BC Computers->Nuclear Fission / car 92g / Turin(51)
turn 181: 400BC >14M / Genoa(52) / car 184g / Crete(53)
turn 182: 380BC Lugdunum builds SETI Program / Nuclear Fission->Nuclear Power / car 504g+468g
turn 183: 360BC Nuclear Power->The Laser / car 408g+812g / Verona(54)+Salamis(55)
turn 184: 340BC The Laser->Flight / >15M / Lisbon(56)
turn 185: 320BC Flight->Radio / car 888g+118g / Hamburg(57)
turn 186: 300BC Radio->Advanced Flight / car 230g+322g+115g+275g
turn 187: 280BC Advanced Flight->Rocketry / >16M / car 179g / Prague(58)+Salzburg(59)+Bergen(60)+Venice(61)
turn 188: 260BC Rocketry->Space Flight / car 160g / Milan(62)+Ghent(63) / car 237g+300g
turn 189: 240BC Pisa(64)+Dublin(65)
turn 190: 220BC Space Flight->Plastics / Darwin's Voyage is build->Plastics->Superconductor->Fusion Power / >17M / car 200g
turn 191: 200BC -
turn 192: 180BC Fusion Power->Communism
turn 193: 160BC >18M
turn 194: 140BC Apollo Program build
turn 195: 120BC -
turn 196: 100BC -
turn 197: 80BC >19M
turn 198: 60BC -
turn 199: 40BC -
turn 200: 20BC -
turn 201: 1AD LAUNCH (arrival 6ad) / bribed Lyons / Toronto
turn 202: 2AD >20M
turn 203: 3AD Adam Smith Trading Co. build
turn 204: 4AD >21M
turn 205: 5AD Great Wall build / hut->50g

FINISHED ARRIVAL 6AD

Status at END(6AD)
Population: 21,63M; Cities: 67; Government: Democracy
Money: 1655 gold; Cost per turn: 63; Total advances: 72; Production: 349MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Collossus, Lighthouse, Great Wall, Marco Polo, Michelangelo's, Copernicus, Shakespeare, Leonardo, Isaac Newton, Adam Smith's, Darwin's, Apollo and SETI Program
Units: 1 engineer, 2 dragoons, 1 battleship, 57 transports, 37 diplomats, 1 freight

 

[CharlieChuck]

turns from 1980bc to 1000bc, My computer crashed on 1800bc so i lost some information (using notepad for commentry), but the autosave on CivII meant I didn't lose my position

-1960 tax 1/8/1 - french astro
-1940 invention - astro - french wont talk
-1920 londimium / french invention for astro , medicenefor bridge builidng

computer crashed lost info to 1800

@ 1800bc researching navig, in between I basically grew all cities with luxuries at 50%, delivered vans etc.

-1780 nav - physics / van ravenna silk lyons ud 40 / viricon gold lyons 28
-1760 persians nav for feud / share maps / french alliance cancelled
-1740 pisae silk edo deman 240
tax 3/5/2
-1720 spanish cease / peace
-1700 jap do GL & sun Tzu, jap develop gunpowdder
we discover physics - magnetism , jap wont talk
-1680 gordion - byzantium copper chartres 80 /nicomedia beads UD 40
-1660 jap build copernicus / persian get gunpowder from japs / aggripina founded / cyrene founded tax 0/8/2 6 turns
-1640 lugundum wine - satsuma 240 / undeman beads satsum 40 / approach jap gunpowder for physics ok
-1620 magnet - steam engine / jerusalam silk edo 248 / rb lots
-1600 pop 3m, tyrus founded / tax 0/7/2 persian gave physics , no gift
-1580 aureil gems nagoya 312
-1560 steam - railroad / hispalis wine edo 280
-1540 verona / rb stuff / rome magellan
-1520 corfinium
-1500 persian mettallurgy / mediolanum / caesara silk pasagarde 306

@-1500 36 cities 3.2m people, 550 gold 35 techs 11 sett 18 musk 15 galleons 1 cat
jap 33 techs 7 cities COpp, GL, SUN
french 29 techs 7 cities NONE
spanish 25 techs 7 cities war with persians COll, LIGHT, GW
persian 34 techs 7 cities - HG, KIng

wonders me 4 pyramdis, marco;s, magellan, leos
-1480 railroad - chemistry / auriolum silk susa 106 / lutetia beads susa 30 treveri founded / caesaruagusta silk nagoya 104 / persian railroad for me ttallurgy (japs learn from GL)
-1460 brundisium to gordium silk 212 / copper artaxa nara 67 / virconium to nara 40
-1440 palmerya hides to tours 40
-1420 chemistry - explosives / sirmium / augustadorum / raise lux to grow
-1400 trapezus / jersualem silk persep 120 / start some harbours
-1380 tarantum susa silk nd 80
>4mill
-1360 jerusalm salt ceii nd 5
-1340 auriel 0 lutetia nd6 / bacacum
-1320 explosives - banking / lariacum / tuernia / hides noci persop 160g
gold byzant persop 240g /

change luxrate / get rid of some muskets / buy harbours

-1300 selucia gold - susa 292 / darwins next turn / rb 2 aquaducts 1 caravan
-1280 antium darwuins /banking - democracy - choose monotheism revolution (think its an oedo?)
not an oedo, my bar was nearly full before darwins it's now empty?
-1260 curia / not oedo either, lots of vans ready to tip when demo comes
-1240 at last democracy. taxes 0/6/4 most cities will celebrate / ataxata arbela dye 187 / lugdun neapol beads nd 12 /virivon dye susa 219
vei salt susa 88 / hippo reg silk antioch 118 / psent all money rb harbours& aquas
-1200 run out of cash harbour sold 60 / gifted loads of techs
japs cancel alliance (refused to give magnestism) / tax 1/5/4
-1180 silk neapolis satsuma nd 63 / beads veii satsuma nd 58
-1160 mono - tog / hippo reg beads susa ud 29 / ebacururm tarsus silk 138 / syracuse silk susa ud 33 / rb harbour aqua
-1140 barb galleon attacks me, loses / naples / issus / cunaxa / londinimum hides nara 155
most cities stoppd celebrsting / rb harbvours / taxes 1/7/2 sicnece 3 turns
-1120 tog - indus / auirel dye marseilles 250 / cyrene gems marseilles 128 /silk cumae eo 220 /2 vans to wonder city / cremona / rb harbours aquas etc
-1100 jap conscription / canae / hut 50g japs conscrip for tog, give mono , spanish now 9 cities
-1080 ind - electricity / capua
>9mill
-1060 3 vans 2 wonder city, 72shield left
taxes 6/2/2 to rb michaels
-1040 palmyra gold susa 364 /medialanum gems corium 318 / rb michaels 276
taxes back to 1/7/2 & rb lots
-1020 elect = econ / aggrip gems kagosjhima 182 /rome wine kago 217 /nicomed hides tarsus 192 / palmera hides tarsus 212/ ravenna beads tarsus ud142
rb lots & try to celebrate
-1000 econ - corp / turin / corfinium copper seville 80
@ -1000 50 cities, 8 > size 8 , 8 enigineers 16 riflman, 1 canon 18 tranpsort 3 dips
japs 7 cities (6 building stat liberty) researching chivalry 44 techs 1290 gold democracy
french 7 cities research industra, 36 techs 244 gold democracy
spanish 9 cities reseach steam engine 31 techs 2030 gold republic
persians 7 cities research chivalry 46 techs 2020 gold republic
science 678 beakers, discov 3 turns, about 32 techs left to space flight, 50 turns i think
about 30 city sites left to build on

a 1ad launch is probably still possible...

 

[Peaster]

I'm also at 1000BC: 88 cities, about 75% have at least aqueduct+harbor. 57 advances, 14 WoWs, pop 65m, 85 frieights, 46 transports, democracy. Peace with all AI, 7 cities each, they have 7 WoWs total.

I've been getting one advance per turn for quite a while, so a 1AD launch looks very likely (except that I didn't know Magic's trick until reading this spoiler, so I'll probably not take advantage of that). Without any clear goal to play for, except bigger cities, my game is starting to feel like a Blue Star marathon - not my favorite style. There is also the problem of finishing on time... I am probably spending - wasting? - an hour per turn, mainly on trade and RB's. Gotta cut that down to 20 minutes or so.

Oh yeah... there was also a technical problem with my game. I noticed that my cities were not growing under democracy/celebration, even with aqueducts/etc. Thought it was some quirk of warlord level, at first. But I restarted Civ2, and then the cities started growing again. (?)

 

[CharlieChuck]

@ Magic Gorter:

Building Darwins near the end was a good tactic, makes maximum use of it because of the high beaker cost at that point, wish I'd thought of that.

@ Peaster:

Actually I wrote that about a week ago but didnt get round to posting it until saturday, but I finally launched over the weekend. I didn't manage 1ad because I wanted a 400 point spaceship, and I got caught up in other things, eventually wasting quite a few turns. The turns were taking an hour for me as well, it got a bit repetitive at times, but all in all a different challenge to other games.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

@ Magic Gorter:

Building Darwins near the end was a good tactic, makes maximum use of it because of the high beaker cost at that point, wish I'd thought of that.

I will do this in OCC games all the time. I will wait as long as possible before building it to get it where it saves the most turns. If I get notification that it will be built next turn, I will rush it right away so I can pick the techs. This will sometimes waste 1 turn's beakers, but it's still a free tech-and-a-half at that point. Sometimes if I've crossed a turns-per-tech threshold that I think I will stay at (e.g., costs just went up from 2 to 3 turns), I'll just build it then to maximize value. Otherwise, it gets slotted in right before the last-minute improvements to boost production as space flight approaches.

 

[CharlieChuck]

It amazes me how many more tricks there are to learn. I built Darwins at the worst possible time, as soon as possible and only a few beakers away from discovering a new tech. I mistakenly thought the beakers remaining carried forward, but they don't. I guess if you plan it right you can get the 3 techs in a turn I was after.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Oh yeah... there was also a technical problem with my game. I noticed that my cities were not growing under democracy/celebration, even with aqueducts/etc. Thought it was some quirk of warlord level, at first. But I restarted Civ2, and then the cities started growing again. (?)

Though not related, I ran into a puzzle of my own. Somehow one of my transports disappeared. Looking back at my saves I narrowed the range to a 4-turn period during which the said transport just vanished. I was not at war with anyone, there was no barbarian activity, it could not have been bribed as I am in democracy, I did not disband it, and I do not recall a pop up telling me about it being disbanded (which happens when there are not enough shields at the home city).

Later in the game, I seem to have lost a freight. I did not bother to investigate details on this one, but I do have notes of wine produced by Shanghai which later is neither present nor delivered.

 

[Peaster]

Does your map have a "Bermuda" ? (j/k)

 

[Magic_gorter]

I had also one problem when I played. When building the spaceshipparts with the zoom to home city trick....the game crashed. Luckily I had the save before that moment. The next attempt I had no problems. Don't know what caused the problem. The only thing I did differently is not to RB the parts for all the cities and then actually build it....but one city a time.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

I played till +1 over the weekend. It was mostly peaceful expansion, trading, and wonder building. My expansion is about to slow as there are only 6 city sites left, 4 of them on the south pole.

Back in -700 when I lost the race for Michelangelo to Persians it did not affect me much due to the fact that my cities were mostly small and at this level there are 5 happy citizens per city. Another thing that eased the pain was the fact that I inherited Oracle from the Spanish. But now it hurts big time and is slowing my growth. Fortunately, the Persians did not build it in their capital. I just need to save some money and bribe it away.

-0480 -> Tactics -> Railroad. Ray founded. Deliveries: Japanese 594+336+220. T3L3S4.
-0460 Railroad -> Industrialization. Adam Smith built. Giza founded. Deliveries: Domestic 140+66, French 128, Japanese 316. T2L3S5.
-0440 Industrialization -> Corporation. Deliveries: Persian 380
-0420 Xinjan, Marathon, and Dublin founded. Deliveries: Domestic 88+130+288, French 88.
-0400 Corporation -> Electronics. Deliveries: Japanese 192. Thermopylae founded.
-0380 Electronics -> Steel. Deliveries: Domestic 202, 215. Spanish Saragosaa subverted for 2x248. Got 44, Wheel, and 2 units.
-0360 Deliveries: Persian 654. Tehran founded.
-0340 Barbarians capture French Charters. Steel -> Machine Tools. Deliveries: Domestic 68. York founded.
-0320 Machine Tools -> Miniaturization. Deliveries: Domestic 132, Spanish 268.
-0300 Barbarian Dragoon, turned None, bought for 102. Barbarian Charters bought for 260. Got another dragoon and the obsolete Great Wall. Bokhara and Dezful founded.
-0280 Miniaturization -> Refining. Deliveries: Domestic 150+108+607. Rifleman from hut. Delhi founded.
-0260 Refining -> Combustion. Deliveries: Domestic 68.
-0240 Persians develop Railroad and start Darwin. Valladolid disbanded to refound Ur. Deliveries: Domestic 140. 50g from hut. Samarkand, Kashghar, Nottingham, and Oxford founded. 2 barbarian Knights on empty island purchased for 82 each. One lost in attack on the third knight which is then finished by the remaining Knight.
-0220 Japanese develop Railroad and start Darwin. Combustion -> Automobile. Liverpool and Troy founded.
-0200 Bombay founded.
-0180 Barbarian dragoons land next to Shanghai and kill a freight and a diplomat. Automobile -> Mass Production. Barbarian Dragoon bought for 102 and used to kill a stack of 2 other barbarian dragoons. Deliveries: Domestic 306+472, Persian 264. Calcutta founded. 2 Barbarian Archers bought for 61 each. Another killed by cavalry to clear an island.
-0160 Mass Production -> Computers. Deliveries: Japanese 650, French 294+84. Railroad -> French.
-0140 Computers -> Genetic Engineering. Barbarian Knight bought for 82g. Deliveries: Domestic 60+308+428.
-0120 Macao, Bengal, and Tus founded. Deliveries: Domestic 567.
-0100 Genetic Engineering -> Nuclear Fission. Deliveries: Domestic 430.
-0080 Nuclear Fission -> Nuclear Power. Jaipur founded. Deliveries: Domestic 232+584. Spanish Barcelona subverted for 2x480. Got 78, Feudalism, musketeer, Galleon, and 3 structures.
-0060 Nuclear Power -> Recycling -> Laser -> Flight. Darwin built. Rivals all switched to Sun Tzu. Deliveries: Domestic 427, Japanese 344, French 480.
-0040 Nishapur founded.
-0020 Persians build Sun Tzu. French and Japanese abandon. Barbarian Frigate near Cumae. Flight -> Radio. Deliveries: Domestic 196+117+378+63+256+72, Japanese 204.
+0001 Barbarian Dragoon killed in attack on my cavalry making it vet allowing it to successfully defend against 2 more dragoons. Radio -> Advanced Flight. First pollution appears. Deliveries: Domestic 178

Status at +0001
Population: 46.38M; Cities: 93; Trade routes: 111D31F; Government: Democracy
Gold: 12 Cost per turn: 181; Total advances: 70; Production: 555MT; 1 polluted tiles
Wonders: Colossus, Lighthouse, Oracle, Hanging Gardens, Great Wall, Marco, Copernicus, King Richard, Magellan, Leo, Newton, Adam Smith, Darwin
Units: 11 (5 None) Engineers, 2 Archers, 3 Musketeers, 57 Riflemen, 1 Knight, 2 Dragoons, 14 Cavalry, 1 Galleon, 19 Transports, 8 diplomats, 19 Caravan
Japanese: 7 cities, 44 techs, 12 units; Allied with Persians; Great Library, Eiffel
French: 6 cities, 45 techs, 12 units;
Spanish: 1 cities, 36 techs, 3 units; no capital
Persian: 7 cities, 46 techs, 19 units; Allied with Japanese; Pyramids, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, Sun Tzu