GOTM 86 - Final Spoiler

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GOTM 86 Final Spoiler



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I take it Napoleon didn't surrender.
Did anyone take Waterloo?
 
Well Napoleon didn't surrender but didn't find Waterloo either... Need to go back and have another look. Not much to report in the game except my awful tech rate which didn't help my plan of a fast Diplo Victory.

Short summary. Managed the CS slingshot. Got declared on by Monte and lost a city!!! Well only defended by 1 warrior so no real surprise. ;) Took said city back plus all his others.. :). rexed the rest of the island. had an awful tech rate throughout the game. Leading to a late diplo win in 1832 with both Liz and Mansa voting for me.
 
I am definitely not used to vanilla's weighty war weariness. I was initially hoping for domination, but in the end I depended on spies tampering with the AI's spaceship parts to win a late space victory.
 
Continuing from the first spoiler, the tech pace was indeed beyond slow world wide... By the time I finaly met the other continent, they STILL did not have alphabeth. I ended up researching all the way to space on my own, getting pretty much nothing from trades (Only rifling and democracy).

I ended up launching around 1815, after messing up the endgame a bit, costing me two turns. I cant really tell if this is a good date or not given this set-up.

As to Waterloo, It was not a city, but was actually a sign on the map identifying a city with a different name. I found it once I researched satelites and swept the map, but was not interested in millitary at the time, so left it alone.
 
(Next time I'll try to split the spoilers if I manage to figure out when 1 AD happens. I'll also try to take notes during the game.)

Space victory at 1951 AD.

Didn't capture Waterloo: Liz was friendly (just because I didn't found any religion and switched quickly to free religion) so I just couldn't declare... I even joined her against Qin when she asked (essentially to get rid of an annoying city on my continent, with uranium).

Ironically, while in "cultural" GOTM 85 I went for domination, in "aggressive" GOTM 86 I went for space victory.

I remember being scared during most of the game (alone with monty on an island, then being the only non-financial leader trying to do some research). I don't remember winning at all at monarch level, and didn't win that much at prince level.

I founded the first city just on spot (the plains hill might have been better), then built 2 workers while researching bronze working. Montezuma's scout appeared very early. Intended to found on the stone resource, but discovered elephants and founded the second city there ASAP. Built stonehenge, the pyramids (adopted hereditary rule), even the hagia sophia. Researched construction, built a stack of elephants and catapults, then got rid of Montezuma who kindly sent his horse archers near my elephants. Some pikemen helped too. The jungle didn't help montezuma, but in the end his cities were my favorites, especially his capital which built many parts of the spaceship.

At some point, while manipulating the globe, I noticed the WATERLOO sign located at the heart of darkness. Later, I scouted the city with a caravel.

I built the colossus, a little helpful against all these financial leaders, but I hesitated for a long time before researching astronomy and losing the bonus (who needs artillery anyway?). This is my first game where I was the first to upgrade to destroyers and transports (I hate when the enemy destroys the fishing boats). Liz founded a city 2 tiles from the oil resource but for some reason I could found a city on it anyway: I would have destroyed her city if founding there were impossible. With my brand new destroyer I spotted Capac sending his galleys and frigates for a surprise attack. Couldn't stop him with one destroyer and no war declared, so I upgraded 2 machine guns and 2 riflemen against his knights, on the stone city and its hill. The hill was attacked from the sea, some casualties but not that much, and that was all. The railroad network was ready anyway (my "Montezuma stack" was blocked by Qin's city who just cancelled open borders though). I sent my destroyers to block every Capac's port (this way I didn't have to scout every turn for his naval attacks). Got Mansa and Liz to join for the war. Later, I was about to send (not enough) gunships and infantry when I noticed that Capac had destroyers now. It seems that Mansa, after making peace, was trading oil for sheep to Capac... I immediately declared peace for a small fee. No need to ruin my economy with war weariness. I was still not first in gold per turn.

Switched to representation and mercantilism. Built the statue of liberty too. This kinda helped, I guess. Built the Kremlin. Never switched to nationalism. Always among the last in soldiers, didn't upgrade much. Switched to Universal suffrage, emancipation and state property. Later, switched from bureaucracy to free speech.

Qin declared war on Liz. I declared war on Qin when Liz asked me to. Razed his annoying, impassable, small city. An uranium mine of mine was in its borders. Much later, Qin attacked a destroyer with a destroyer (and failed), and that was all. Declared peace for a small fee.

Then the space race went smoothly.

I'm pretty sure that my next victory (not necessarily in a GOTM) will be cultural. I don't know why.

This is also the first game where I didn't automate the workers, even when building the railroad (sulla's youtube video influenced me).
 
Settled Paris 2N and was intending for a builder, peaceful game using Nappy's ind trait. Expanded pretty well and soon found Monty. I was keeping a close eye on him as he was a potential pain in the ass. As soon as he settled near ivory I decided to prepare for war.

More rush than war really, Monty was surprisingly weak, I used only axes and nothing else, declared war 225bc, took towns then Tenochtitlan about early AD's. Monty neutralised. Tenochtitlan was in a great hammer spot, Monty was so incompetent in expanding and using these hammers for his own rush, I think I saw only 2 or 3 jaguars at all.

Then occupied the continent, maybe not the best move... cultural VC out of question cos I was lax with religions (none till astro), and I was not happy with the tech pace for spaceship, could have done diplo but decided to fight this time.

Wars:
Liz 1675-1750:cavs + musket
Qin 1750 - early 1800s: cavs, musk, rifles
Incas 1810 - 1850s: cavs, inf, artillery
...and then a few yankee cities to top it up. Lots of naval power too but I was never threatened.

Kept Mansa in one piece cos he was never a tech, even money threat, and remained a good tech partner throughout the game. Domination 1858ad, score 60519.
 
I kept HC and Qin in constant wars. Especially Qin would declare anyone even for the crappiest tech.
In 1824 AD I had the continent for myself. (silly Monty started the war himself, as expected)

HC captured all of Mansa Musa land and was leading in tech, so this scared me a little. So I decide to beeline ICBM's and prepare an invasion fleet - to invade HC if nukes fail, or Waterloo.
Since HC didn´t yet have ecology, nukes devastated him:
Spoiler :

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1922 AD - Waterloo captured
Accidentally I discovered how epic vanilla spies are - they can sabotage for gold only. I built them because I wanted to monitor the effects of nukes.

1970 AD - Space victory.

the vanilla interface was a big challenge for me... there is no warning of enemy troops, that was a major problem for me.
 
I wanted a Conquest Victory in this game.

The First Aztec War began in 400 AD. I captured two cities, razed one, and then gave him peace in 700 for IW and some gold. In 700, I started the Second Aztec War. I captured five more cities, then signed another peace treaty for Alphabet, Archer, H.R. and Polytheism. (My production was doing fine in this game, but my commerce/science was lagging. In 1270, I started the Third Aztec War, which ended in 1310 with Monty's last two cities now under French rule.

All of the religions had been founded on other continents, so they remained unknown to my people until the arrival of caravels. After I researched Optics in 1270 and made contact with the other AI, these religions spread to France rapidly in a great wave of fervor.

I got the Circumnavigation bonus in 1480 and learned Astronomy in 1550. I declared war on Mansu Musa in 1600. After capturing six cities and razing four, I made peace for Printing Press.

I waged war on the Incans, from 1685 to 1765, capturing some cities, razing other, and taking Corporation as the price of peace.

In 1775, I declared war on both England and Mali, destroying the the Mali by capturing their last city in 1785. Waterloo was captured in 1824 and all of England was destroyed by 1846.

In 1848, I went to war against China, destroying them in 1872.

In 1874, I went back to war against the Incans and Americans. Along the way, I decided that it was taking too long for a Conquest (with the AIs unable to capitulate in this vanilla game), so I stopped razing cities and held on to them all. A Domination Victory was achieved in 1886, with a score of 44,369 points.
 
This was my first GOTM ever..haven't played CIV before so my score stunk and I lost via time at 2050 AD. Had a long war with Monty and eventually kicked him off the continent. I learned a lot and will be reading up on how to do better in the future.
 
This was my first GOTM ever..haven't played CIV before so my score stunk and I lost via time at 2050 AD. Had a long war with Monty and eventually kicked him off the continent. I learned a lot and will be reading up on how to do better in the future.

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This game crawled along.

Monte hung around until 1030 AD.
Astronomy 1190 AD.
Military Tradition 1450 AD via Liberalism.
Teched Steel as an after thought after game was nearly done. I had stockpiled gold so I didn't crash the economy.

Cav spam.
Mansa dies first.
Qin Shi Huang dying shortly after Mansa, actually finished him off fairly late due to straggler cities. (Love the war weariness!)
Concurrent Inca/English war.
1650 Waterloo falls.
Washington dies in about 5 turns. (Cavs vs. Rifles and Longbows.)

I triggered domination and conquest the same turn. All dead and 64.1% land on same turn, Conquest victory announced. Barely surpassed 100K.
 
Did anyone take Waterloo?

Here's waterloo, Neil. The last failure of the emperor is at Waterloo, so I think I need to get it in my first combat for victory. It pays off.

Spoiler :

Several players have reported the drastic war weariness, but why? I hardly lose any unit, so I think it may be only dependant on the war length.
 
Several players have reported the drastic war weariness, but why? I hardly lose any unit, so I think it may be only dependant on the war length.

Once I started warring, I had multi-front wars against 2-3 AI until there was only one left. I did make a cease-fire at one time for a turn or two to heal and diffuse war weariness.
 
Once I started warring, I had multi-front wars against 2-3 AI until there was only one left. I did make a cease-fire at one time for a turn or two to heal and diffuse war weariness.

Was the war weariness doubled/tripled when you attcked 2~3 AIs at the same time?
 
Crap. Picked this up yesterday and could not finish in time. Going for domination. Killed Monty off very early - stole workers and killed him off with Axes. He had a pretty nice cap. Spent much of the early game filling out land and teching to Astro/MT. Took out Lizzie and started working on Qin. Domination was coming very slowly. Seemed our land mass and islands should have been closer to 40 percent but was only like 25 or so.

I should have focused more on tech early to get war started much sooner. Fill in land later. Too bad I couldn't get this submitted in time.

Shulec - I don't know the code either but I do know that unhappiness seems far worse pre-BTS. It's almost instantaneous when you start a war in gets worse each turn. However, if I get the techs I want then running culture slider is no big deal really. Still, it is pretty ridiculous.
 
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