GOTM scoring

Matrix · Feb 20, 2001

As MadMelkor suggested: here a topic on keeping up the score. It was namely my suggestion to make an overall score which include both the fast (or not) finishing date and the ending score. I could calculate it this way e.g.:GOTM score=A*(1+4*(B-C)/B)
A=ending score
B=maximum turns
C=ending turn (Scientific, he?)

So when you end in the last turn, the GOTM score equals the normal score, but if you're ready half way, your score is trippeled. (If you finish the first turn, your score is 5 times the normal score.)

This way an average score has more meaning, 'cause when I see the results, there are some very different games, because some people went for a fast finish and other went for the highest score. This makes the averages less meaningful and I find these averages very important, because you can compare your score better.

How about it?

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Matrix · Feb 20, 2001

B.t.w.: I've just checked this formula and it really gives meaningful scores! The only trouble is finding the right factor (which is now 4).

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MadMelkor · Feb 20, 2001

It looks really good like this, but maybe you should devide it by factor to keep the figures closer together.(like between 0 and 10)
like a batting average of a baseball player.

Johan511 · Feb 20, 2001

Great Idea MadMelkor, this will make the scores very meaningful I think.

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Matrix · Feb 21, 2001

The batting average?? Well, it's clear you're Americans, but sure I could make a smaller score. The scores are now between somewhere 1000 and 7000. Shall I devide it by, say, 200? Ofcourse I won't round the numbers then...

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shadowdale · Feb 21, 2001

God I'm really looking forward to seeing this ranking system, and to see where I am placed - I already know my score, and since I finished in 2019 I also know what my score on the list is going to be.

But Matrix don't you think that 100 would be a lot easier?? That way you don't really have to round the numbers!!

Only 7 days left of this GotM......

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Matrix · Feb 21, 2001

MadMelkor was talking about a result between 0 and 10, but that's too low, I'm afraid. 100 will be fine.

From now on I'll use this and it is holy! It does make sence.

And shadow, I'm just as excited as you are. I can't wait giving you the results - I won't reveal anything till the deadline (28 february) - and I really can't wait playing the next GOTM!! (Even if it's an accellerated startup...)

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MadMelkor · Feb 21, 2001

First of all i am not an american, ,to be precise you live in the same city as me !!!

But for all it is easier to have an overvieuw of 10 or indeed maybe 100 points, cause if you average scores very different from eachother it will be very unclear !!
And i think you could use a factor of 200 !

Matrix · Feb 21, 2001

Originally posted by MadMelkor:
First of all i am not an american, ,to be precise you live in the same city as me !!!<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0>

I'll be damned! <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0> (Ik woon eigenlijk in Haren, maar dat boeit niet.)
But anyway, still I don't know what a batting average is...

Originally posted by MadMelkor:
But for all it is easier to have an overvieuw of 10 or indeed maybe 100 points, cause if you average scores very different from eachother it will be very unclear !!
And i think you could use a factor of 200 !

I divide it by 100 now, which gives score a little over 50. Everybody can count to 100 I think, and you'll have to do your very best to get that! So it's ok now. Clear and simple. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/hammer.gif" border=0>

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stormerne · Feb 22, 2001

The time-to-finish versus end score idea is good. I don't know whether your linear slide from x5 to x1 is the best way of doing it. But whether I like it or not - or even whether it works or not - is irrelevant. As long as the system is clearly and unambiguously broadcast beforehand, then we all have the same shooting rules, and our participation means our acceptance of those rules.

What I would ask is that when the discussion is over, please publish the system definitively. And also please include a conversion table (as well as a formula) for example dates in the game.

My one reticence is accelerated start-ups, like GOTM #2. In those cases, I suggest that game start is the accelerated date, not 4000BCE, and that total game turns is the normal amount reduced by the amount of turns in the accelerated start-up.

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Matrix · Feb 22, 2001

You're a very smart guy, Stormerne, and I agree with you. Only, I've seen the results of this formula and it does work. To me it gives a very good perspective on how one has succeeded in the game.

I've changed the 4 in the formula to see what I get than, because 4 was a shot in the dark, but that works out as well. Having a lower factor makes the finishing date too irrelevant, and vise versa. B.t.w.: if I change it and it isn't lineair anymore, it also won't be that clear anymore. (I'm not saying this to avoid a conversation.)

Anyway, I'm working on the GOTM page as we speak, to make it definitively, as you say.

And about the GOTM#02: We won't start in 4000BC, because Thunderfall played the first turns and so it isn't a real accelerated startup. And I'll reduce the number of turns I my calculation next month. Thanks for attending me on that!

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Thunderfall · Feb 22, 2001

The weighted scoring system looks good. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0>
I will need to add a weighted score column to the GOTM HOF. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0>

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Johan511 · Feb 23, 2001

Ok, Matrix, so what your telling me is that If I finish really fast my score is multiplyed by the amount of turns I didn't use to win the gmae?
IF So now there will be a debate on whether it is better to finish early and have your score multiplied, or to go all the way through the game and hope for a better ending score.
I'm pretty sure you get extra points for killing civs so it should make a good debate.
The only complaint I have is I didn't really try to build my end score up because I was trying to win the quick why, so I wasn't even concerned with the score or the infastruture of my cities. It doesn't really matter I suppose, this month was more a Beta test for everyone I think, Next month will hold alot more excitement and challenge.

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Matrix · Feb 23, 2001

You're right for the fact that going for a quick finish alone might not be enough. (Almost) zero times anything remains (almost) zero. So ending the game with a decently built civilization is more profitable, then ending quickly with just a few, staggering cities <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0>. But it does relieve you of having to play on and on, when it's so easy to end the game in one turn.

But of course this GOTM is a betatest game, since it is the first. I mean, haven't we changed and built up a lot since this first GOTM was released? <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/king.gif" border=0>

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shadowdale · Feb 23, 2001

Well I know that if I want to go for the highest GotM ranking then I have to end then game some time before the last turn! And I already have a pretty good idea of when and how the complete my games to get a high GotM ranking!!!

But I'm not sure that I won't just continue to play for the highest score - That is simply my way of playing.

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Johan511 · Feb 23, 2001

Certainly, that's why this GOTM idea is really great, becuase it introduces alot of different styles of play, There's going to be ferice competetion every month, with new strategies being worked out to take advantage of your scoring system..lol

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Matrix · Feb 25, 2001

I've done some thinking again and came up with this (I'm already working on it):

It's actually quite simple: for each GOTM that someone has won, he'll get a gold medal, for the second place he'll get a silver medal and for the 3rd place a bronze one. The global ranking works like the Olympics: first you look at who has the most gold medals, than at silver, than at # of bronze medals.

It keeps being a casual contest, because you have nothing to loose.

This first GOTM won't be acounted for for this system, because it's a test game. Nevertheless, I'd be proud if I'm the winner of the debute (which I'm not).

I'll probably make this system for the highest scores and fastest games as well, but that might take a while, since I can't do everything a the same time. I'm busy enough finishing everything before the first GOTM is finished. Yep, Civ2 has got me too now. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/psycho-eyes.gif" border=0>

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Håkan Eriksson · Feb 25, 2001

The idea about medals is great! It would be very nice to say like: "I have two gold medals, one silver and tree bronz".

Not that I am that good.

Bye the way, I don't think I have one fastest games. My time run out! So my game ended in 2020.

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Johan511 · Feb 25, 2001

Very Good Idea Matrix, Keep up the great work!

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Matrix · Feb 26, 2001

The only thing I'm worried about is that some die hards will take a medal every month and that way only a few will come in this GOTM ranking list. But I can accomplish this by couting the 4th, 5th, etc. place as well. You just won't get a medal for it.

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