***GOTM SPOILER ALERT*** SUL2 - IamSPARTACUS' Boatless Journey

Umm... anyone wanna play the next turn? It's been almost 36 hours...
 
where is Sulla at i wonder. if he doesn't show up soon i'll have to take his turn i guess.
 
Errr..... ummm.... sorry about that but I didn't realize that Chieftess had already played a turn. I will play the game today and have it up by tomorrow, though I hate to tear myself away from the epic struggle going on in my GOTM#5 right now :king:
 
I decided to play a turn immediately because I will focus too much on my other games if I don't. Here's the summary:

(0) 1450BC Diplomatic rounds first. I see that almost no one has horseback riding, so it's time to broker it. I get about 40 gold, Writing (saving us 1 turn), and improved relations with almost everyone. Next it's time to set up an attack on America - mounted warriors head towards Boston. We have the best UU of this age in the game, so let's use it to kick some butt! I go to 80% science, which is breaking even and only cuts 1 turn off the discovery. Literature selected as next tech to begin race for GL.

(1) 1425BC Warrior kills our spearman in Niagra Falls (?) Another one set to be produced next turn. I also notice for the first time that we are in a Golden Age. Too bad that it can't really help us.

(2) 1400BC I capture an American scout that foolishly wanders into our territory unescorted. Attack is over on Niagra Falls. I am heading for Boston.

(4) 1350BC Our three mounted warriors kill 2 American warriors and an American archer. This is essentially their entire army. I am hoping to get Washington now

(7) 1275BC I come up just short of taking Washington. We need peace soon because the other civs are out-expanding us. The Americans want one of our cities for peace though! :eek: Not likely.

(10) 1200BC Am I just unlucky? Every time a Mounted Warrior has gone up against a Spearmen, we have lost. Now I'm no genuis, but odds would seem to imply that a 3 attack veteran should beat a 2 defense regular most of the time. (sigh) We should have most of America by now...

(15) 1075BC Finally! Boston is destroyed! We capture an American settler too, which is good because we are WAY short on workers. And those industrious workers are as good as our regulars.

(16) 1050BC Our golden age is over....

(20) 950BC I'm right next to Washington with 4 mounted warriors! Not going to pass off now...

(21 OT) 925BC Three spearmen die - but there's still one archer left! Just one more turn...

(22 OT) 900BC YES! Washington falls! I attacked the archer with two mounted warriors that had 1hp left. I then sign peace with them because there is no way in hell we can hold Washington with three 1hp mounted warriors. We get their treasury (36g), philosophy (which I didn't research because I expected to get it from them) and their world map. WOW! The computer has really scouted this map! It's almost completely revealed. Now we can do some massive peacetime expansion - and the Americans are seriously weak now. Just be careful on the cultural flip. Note: we are running 10% lux to allow Salamanaca to stay at a large size to work on Great Library. Next person should micromanage it a LOT to get max production on library. It's reallly useful on this kind of map where we can broker techs from the library to everyone else while building a massive treasury.

Check out my thoughts on future city sites and the massively revealed mini-map in the corner. Essentially, we want to expand as fast as possible now, but preferably on the "continent". That doesn't mean neglecting settling in the "sea" though. Anyway - have fun with it.
 

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I should mention that we are one of the largest civs according to F11. We're off to a good start and now need to keep up momentum. A note to anyone reading this: we still have two open spots in this game so if you want to join just post saying so!
 
got it, will try to post tommorrow.
 
Here’s my turn, hope you like it.

875BC- End of resistance in Washington.

850BC- Aztecs demand territory map and 24 gold, I cave. I didn’t really want a war with them right then. Then I trade our world map with them for 30$ and territory map.

775BC- Major barb uprising near Niagra Falls, I never saw any of the barbs from this.

750BC- Discover currency, start polytheism.

730BC- Washington builds a spearman, starts barracks, later changed to a temple. Riot in Niagra Falls, quickly quelled.

710BC- Niagra builds spearman, starts mounted warrior. America starts Great Library, along with Aztecs and Brits later on. Trade world map 124$ to America for polytheism and construction. Behold my friends for we are in the MIDDLE AGES. Start Monarchy.

690BC- Washington riots, quell quickly.

670BC- Egypt demands territory map and 20$ I give it to them, and then trade world map for territory map and 16$. Attack barb camp, barely win. Build Cattaraugus near the dyes, America built Boston near the one near Niagra Falls, and start temple.

650BC- Palace expands.

610BC- Aztecs build Oracle in capitol.

590BC- Niagra Falls starts another Mounted Warrior. Get settler out of hut.

570BC- start getting ready to take New York.

550BC- Iron online.

510BC- Attack New York, withdraw. Attack again win. Attack again withdraw. Attack again win, no hurt, capture city, start spearman.

490BC- Niagra Falls builds Mounted Warrior, start another one. Resistance over in New York.

We now have 4 mounted warriors in New York, and a spearman in Washington. We aren’t in a bad situation really, just behind in cities to 3 people. And way ahead of America now. I couldn’t have built another city even if I had wanted to, didn’t have the time. If Chieftess wants to change what I’m building I don’t really care very much.
 
Here's a map of the current situation. I suggest switching Salamanaca to the Pyramids because we are close to Education anyway on the tech tree, and the boost of having a granary in all cities (this will count as a giant Pangea map) for all time would be immense. It's 6 turns away regardless, but we do not have a grassland mined for some inexplicable reason; it could be 5 if that's done.

There's no real need to attack America right now; they're very weak and we would benefit more from building lots of cities than fighting them. I say take Boston from them (didn't I suggest building a city there? :o ) and then sue for peace. Get some cities up fast before the best land is taken. If we want to fight someone, it should be the Aztecs, who have some very nice land close to our capital. Remember that although all victory options are on the table, our goal is to win a domination one. That means lots of land and lots of cities - so let's go! :king:
 

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i had planned on building where Boston is but they were there before the settler s we had were done, so i decided to take the other spot, sorry if i did the wrong thing but i ddin't see anything else to do about that one.

i decided that taking out teh americans would be a benifit because then we could expand there if we didn't take the cities. New York had one resistor and one unhappy, the other two were content, so our culture is way above they'res. also Boston was a major motivator on attacking america.

anyways that's what i was thinking, guess i was wrong on this account. sorry about that.
 
also Boston was a major reason i wanted attack America. it was a major pain in our side, or so i thought. and taking another capital will really lower they're moral.
 
Ok, I got the file and will play/post tomorrow. BTW, should I go 10 turns (the 30-20-10)? Or is it all 20 now?
 
Axid - no big problem with your war against America, I just think there's no reason to wipe them out now. We should take Boston and then try to get peace. Building the Pyramids would help us to get settlers out faster, which would help a lot. We could use more workers too, since our cities are not fully connected and there's plenty of jungle to take down.

Chieftess - I intend for us to play 20 turns each up until the turns start becoming ungodly long in the industrial era. Then we will probably go to 15 or 10, for practical reasons. Of course you can always play fewer if you don't have the time or don't like the sitation.
 
490 BC - (Inherited Turn)

Increase income by one and decreased research time by one.

470 BC - (1)

Whipped Washington by accident. Moved settler towards a nice city site.

450 BC - (2)

Washington's temple is complete. Settler in place for next city.

430 BC - (3)

Oil Springs founded. (Gee, I sure hope there's oil there! :D) No escort. I just hope no one stumbles upon it.

410 BC - (4)

America is doing a lot of archer troop movement. Troops in New York are healed. Americans attack a Mounted Warrior, but losses. Mounted warrior has 1 HP left (now 2? strange). Elite MW (Mounted Warrior) attacks archer above NY, but no great leader. 2nd attacks another archer - still no GL. Great Library in one turn!

390 BC - (5)

The Great Library is ours! The English, Egypt and Greece are building the Great Wall. The Romans are building the pyramids. (wow, must've been a cascade).

370 BC - (6)

Troop movement to Boston. Placed laborer on a gold mountain square to decrease research time.

350 BC - (7)

A Cheerokee (barb) horsemen ambushed one of our scouts. Aztecs are building Sun Tzu.

330 BC - (8)

An archer pre-emps our attack, but our MW escapes. We learn Fuedalism from the GL! Elite MW attacks archer and wins (losing 1 hp).

310 BC - (9)

Upgraded a warrior to swordsmen. Several MW reinforcements are on their way. Boston Spearmen torched a MW. Sending in that swordsmen. Another MW defeats the spearmen!

290 BC - (10)

Troop movement towards Boston. Also building a road to there. (Just in case we capture it).

270 BC - (11)

Boston is conquered (autorazed). Beat a settler out of Niagara Falls. (would have taken 4 turns. Monoarchy is in one. That would have meant lost production). Swordsman headed that way. MW on temporary lookout, and we even got a worker!

250 BC - (12)

Monoarchy! Revolting. Moving troops to Philly. Scouts runs into a barb horsemen.

230 BC - (13)

Scout dies. Troops surronding Philly. Settler is on his way.

210 BC - (14)

Swordsman in posistion. (claimed spot) 4 MW at Philadelphia hill.

190 BC - (15)

Washington laborer is now content. :) Philly is razed (autoraze) and we get another laborer (2 in fact)! (it was a settler). Chicago attacked as an afterthough (patethic, isn't it). Our MW loses to their Elite spearmen, but manages to knock off 4/5 HP. Other two MW defeat two other spearmen without injury.

170 BC - (16)

Workers working. Tonawanda founded! Roads to dyes (and the rest of the kingdom) almost finished). Chicago is ours. :) MW taken out of Washington to attack Atlanta. (They built so close!).

150 BC - (17)

The battle for Atlanta begins. MW north of NYC lands on a very temping city site. Settler bought in Salamanca.

130 BC - (18)

Athens build the Great Pyramids. Atlanta puts up stiff resistance, but we manage to defeat a veteran spearmen.

110 BC - (19)

Everyone cascades to Sun Tzu. Atlanta is ours! But, no "Americans are defeated message"...

90 BC - (20)

Workers Working. Settler still moving north.
 
This looks like a nice spot. (BTW, everyone is cascading their wonders. We would've had no chance at the pyramids, though.
 

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i agree with you Chieftess, looks like a great city spot.

looks like you got your wish Sulla, the americans aint dead yet.
 
Well I never said I DIDN'T want us to destroy the Americans, just that there was no need to do so. I really would have liked building the Pyramids instead of the Great Library though... :o I mean, we're only 2 techs away from Education and then it stops working while the Pyramids will last forever... I do agree that that is an awesome city site laid out though - you can be assured that I'll build there on my turn! :cool:
 
OK! I finally got my 20 turns in - I was in the middle of turn 15 when Civ3 shut itself down for no reason. Fortunately, I save every turn, so it didn't hurt us. But it took me another few hours before I had time to finish the last 5 turns. Anyway, here's the writeup.

(0) 90BC The first thing I notice is we are running 50% science. WE HAVE THE GREAT LIBRARY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!! That means that we don't need to put ANYTHING into science - tech will pop out of the library with no input from us. I wanted the Pyramids, but let's at least get some use out of the library while we have it. Let's try not to make any miscues like this again - make sure to use what you have! Sun Tzu in Grand River gets a similar veto - just too long to produce at 71 turns. Our capital is by far the best for wonders at this stage of the game. The Americans only have one city left, so I'll take them out before doing anything else. Oil Springs is really out there! We must have gotten a settler from a goody hut.

(3) 30BC We take Seattle! The Americans are destroyed....no, wait they're not. Why does this game respawn the AI? I mean it's not like the human player respawns when you die! Ironically, they respawned right next to Oil Springs! But there's no reason to fight them now, so I make peace. Oh yeah, Egypt threatened us this turn, and considering that we don't want another major war, I accepted. We made the gold back in one turn, by the way. Since the AI apparently starts with 100 gold, we take that from the Americans and their starting worker and their world map. They are now officially finished.

(5) 10AD Mauck Chunk founded in Chieftess' excellent city location. We are now up to 3 luxuries. Science is moving very slowly, which is exactly what we want. No new techs from Great Library as yet.

(8) 70AD OK... The Americans already have two cities?! It's clear the AI gets some major bonuses at this difficulty. 5 turns is not enough to grow to size three and produce a settler - they must have started with 2 settlers.

(9) 90AD I'm amusing myself by pillaging Egyptian roads that are outside their cultural borders. No penalty to our reputation of course - I guess Cleo just thinks they "disappeared"

(12) 150AD Talk about random...the Egyptians declared war on us for no reason! They sneak attacked Seattle and captured it. Well, I guess it's time to switch over to wartime production. Egypt is big, but they're extremely overextended and have very little production. Does anyone else think the Egyptians are too big for their britches? It costs us an arm and a leg, but I establish embassies in Rome and Greece, then pay them VERY large sums of money to join us against Egypt. It hurts, but not as badly as going after Egypt all alone.

(13) 170AD In defiance of expected odds, our mounted warrior fails to recapture Seattle from a horseman (?)

(15) 210AD We raze our first Egyptian city, since we can't keep a size 1. Looks like the feeding frenzy is on; England comes into the war against Egypt too.

(18) 260AD The Hanging Gardens built by Aztecs. I see this as good news, as we will likely be fighting them sooner than later, and can use it ourselves. Our "wartime" economy produces our first knight this turn.

(20) 280AD I finish and pass off to the next player, with a small attack force ready for deployment and more on the way.

Good news: I built 4 new cities, improved our tile infrastructure, got some city improvments like libraries up and got humilitating terms from America. Bad News is that we are at war with Egypt and have to produce military units instead of city improvements at this point.

We are definitely strongest civ at this point. The histograph places Egypt in first, but that is deceptive because they have lots of territory (for score) but almost no production in those "sea" cities. We control a lot of "real" land and our cities are tied together far better than anyone else's. We are also going to capture A LOT of cities from Egypt over the next 20 or so turns because the ones near us are loosely defended and we are starting to produce lots of knights (and guess what? Egypt has NO IRON!) We're clearly in position to dominate the game. Salamanaca can be switched off of knights to a wonder if desired; although cascade is in full swing right now, we easily outpriduce all other cities at a whopping 19 shields/turn. Good wonders to get would include any of Sun Tzu, Sistine, or Leo. But we will need military to fight Egypt too, so wonder may not be the best idea. I leave decision up to the capable hands of Axid :D

A picture of our nifty empire. Note that we're significantly larger and richer than before.
 

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i got it and will try to post today maybe, possibly tommorrow, but i now have two games to do right now, with the possiblity of a third, so it might even be monday although i will make every effort to make it before that. fo you have a prob with that sulla?

chieftess had to get a new fan for her pc so she might not be able to take a turn this round unless it takes a while.

will do my best to hurt egypt as much as possible as quick as possible.

thanks for saying i'm capable at this sulla, i don't play at this level very much yet, as i've only had the game about 1 1/2 month's.

anyways will post as soon as i can.
 
Originally posted by Axid
i got it and will try to post today maybe, possibly tommorrow, but i now have two games to do right now, with the possiblity of a third, so it might even be monday although i will make every effort to make it before that. fo you have a prob with that sulla?

chieftess had to get a new fan for her pc so she might not be able to take a turn this round unless it takes a while.

will do my best to hurt egypt as much as possible as quick as possible.

thanks for saying i'm capable at this sulla, i don't play at this level very much yet, as i've only had the game about 1 1/2 month's.

anyways will post as soon as i can.

I'm back, and my PC is "whirring" as good as new! :)
I know how to install and build computers from scratch, so installing it was no problem. :) (It just needed a very thorough cleaning. :D) And I can feel the semi-cold air really blowing fast out of my A: drive!
 
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