GOTM101 - Final Spoiler

[templar_x]

i do not roam, i crawl

templar_x

 

[civ_steve]

I agree this target date sounds extremely difficult.

As for your more general queries, not many of the jason experts are still around (except a few moderators perhaps) to explain why you usually end up in the 8000Ks in the research-based VCs (except if you're Drazek.) But I think it has a lot to do with the fact that those long-gone experts wanted to eliminate milking as the best way to win a GOTM. In the old scoring system (which measured only Firaxis score) and in some other models that were discussed before jason score was established, a good player could combine a slower VC (cultural, spaceship, diplomatic, histographic or "pseudohistographic," e.g. when a player milked to the year 2050 BC and then chose an arbitrary VC) with milking near the domination limit. The milking part would pay off to such a degree that if it were to be combined with a generous score for the VC-type also, then milking would be more or less a pre-requisite for a medal. I think we can agree that this was unfortunate. I don't think even you, me or the nestor above would still roam through this forum if the scoring system hadn't changed.

I hope I have given a reasonably correct historical description, even though I wasn't involved in the technicalities myself.

I think that's a pretty good discussion. The early medals were won exclusively by milkers - take the game to a near domination condition, maximize population and other scoring elements AND play until 2050! Victory condition was up to the choice of the milker. Jason scoring, as I understand it, projects out a final 2050 score based on an assumed curve of scoring growth from the condition you're in on the winning turn. Kind of, sort of. The key point is you don't have to play out to 2050. The issue with Research Games is that research often requires some sacrifice from the scoring side of the game to achieve a fast victory. So it's difficult to get a high scoring UN or Space Race game that also is competitive for fastest finish.

By the way, scoring is very much population driven. 1 Point for each content citizen and specialist, and 2 Points for each happy citizen. So what should you do just before finishing the game???