GozGram 1 - Hammurabi and The Code of Laws (100k)

[gozpel]

Grabbed the save and forgot to say I got it before. Played it already was pretty quick.

Pre-turn - Check cities, the scientist in Nippur becomes a taxman and working some better tiles up our income from 3gpt to 8gpt.

Diplo: We are in a bad situation, no one wants peace except for a city or all our gold.
Germany and Sumeria refuses to even talk.

Vet warrior whacks spear in Chita, promotes to elite. Move in bowman.

Lots of russian troops S of Babylon, I will have to take a chance. Move bows away from incense. Spear from Hareid to Babylon.

130bc - Horses are connected.

Babylon bow -> bow

Reg warrior takes of a hp on spear in Chita, bowman finish him off and we destroy the city, settler to replace.

5 bows gathered W of Babylon, going for Krasnoyarsk.

110bc - We defend against russian MI and LB in Nippur.

Ashur bow -> bow
Ellipi bow -> bow
Eridu bow -> bow

Izibia founded -> warrior

Play hide and seek with russian pike near our horses.

Move the 5 bows next to Krasno.

All civs would sign peace for most of our gold now.

90bc - America wants peace for 108g and 6gpt, no thanks Abe.

Byzantines are building Copernicus

Nineveh bow -> bow

We lose 2 bows, kill a pike and a spear in Krasno and take the city with 2 slaves. I caught Cathy with her panties down Kill a LB and a spear and will talk peace.

Give them back Krasno and we are on peaceful terms again.

Elite bow kills Enkidu, no luck.

I'm thinking of trading away the horses to Russia, but we better change gov before anything else. In 2 turns we will know where we stand.

70bc - Same elite bow kills Iro spear, no luck.

50bc - We are a Republic, making 35 gpt.

Yet another elite bow wins over Byz spear and nothing.

I'm trying to find a solution to all these wars, it won't be easy.

But at least I can get us a couple of techs. Change all military builds to horses.

So I give horses, 1gpt, 5g and our only incense to Russia for Construction and Currency. Our newest slaves are roading the other incense and will finish in 5 turns. We have to take the unhappiness until then.

I'm not sure if this was clever or not? MI's or knights if they decide to give us a go again, I think we're toast anyways if that happens.

All civs wants 20-25 gpt plus 75g for Poly and peace. Except America, they get 17gpt and some change for the deal.

So we are in Middle ages, slightly behind the others
We got Engineering.
Of course no one wants to give us Feudalism for the grand 17gpt we have.

30bc - Well now, this is plain silly - Vikings joins Byz against us. We got 22gpt and our wines back.

Some civs are building Bachs

Sumeria drop off an LB, noone heard him scream.

Hareid library -> barracks

Capture Viking worker.

Russia won't give us Feudalism for 39gpt, 100g and wines, only doubtful.

10bc - Great, German knight moves up to Nippur and Sumeria drop off another LB.

Get rid of the LB

10AD - We defend against the German knight, but 5 more shows up. Time for peace I think.

Try elite bow on german warrior, and we get a leader.

7gpt and 154g to Germany for peace.

Rush bow in Uruk for 20g.

Assembling some units to take Alesund

30AD - Uruk bow -> bow

50AD - Civs are building Magellans and Bachs

Babylon bow -> bow
Ashur horse -> bow

We kill 2 spears in Alesund, lose a bowman and take the city.

Kill Viking spear.

The leader is in Nineveh, FP anyone?

We should try to take the remaining Viking cities next to us.

Also pay to get peace or they will continue the dogpile, we don't want Russia and/or Germany against us.

We are almost a tech behing in techs, how are we supposed to catch up?

Forgot the screenie, can anyone fix that?

 

[microbe]

Our culture is a joke. Change nothing except rax to temple in Nippur.

What to do with the leader? We don't have any decent units to fill in an army, but I guess I have to create one.

Byzantines is very rich, and we can make peace by 8gpt+76g, but I hold for now. Raise sci to get Feudalism in 13 turns.

IBT: Germany starts Magallan and Sumeria starts JS Bach.

(1)70AD: bowman kills Byzantine spear.

(2)90AD: horse army kills Byz archer and warrior. Kill Viking spear.

Switch all temples to libraries - it's more culture and useful.

(3)110AD: Some Byz knights/MDI show up, so I make peace with 56g+8gpt. And this delays Feudalism. Kill another Viking spear.

IBT Germany starts Newtons.

(4)130AD: healing.

IBT Germany builds Copernicus.

(5)150AD: ZZZ

(6)170AD: Kill two Viking spears.

(7)190AD: Horse army and 2 bowmen kill 3 reg spears and we capture Bodo. We lose one bowman and the army drops to 1hp!

Kill a EW/archer pair.

Disband two reg warriors.

I sell wines+WM+4gpt+8g to Russia for iron. I don't want any AI come and demand it from us.

(8)210AD: Kill the last viking spear.

(9)230AD: ZZZ

(10)250AD: Nothing to do.

Note: there are 2 iro mounted warriors in the fog near Rostov. It probably has RoP with Russia and tries to find the weakest city to attack. We may want to sign peace (to do so we have to lower sci first, otherwise AI would only ask for a city).

Army should fully heal in Uruk next turn, and then it can go for Molde.

Most AI are building Newton, so we are one age behind. I don't know how to catch up. We don't even have embassy with AI so we don't know if AI is fighting. I've been focusing on infra (libs and markets), but after Feudalism maybe let's build some MDI and prepare a war against Russia? Another hope is AI fight among themselves.

 

[grahamiam]

ideas, suggestions? i think we're going to need approximately 50 to 60 cities to pull this off, as well as hammer everyone else back to the stone age. with the AI getting so far ahead tech-wise and grabbing all the MA wonders, we need to figure out how to pull ourselves up to the IA and start competing for them again. extorting techs from russia with knights if we can get to chivalry?

I am away for 2 wks + 1 day, with none or very little net access. skip me till i get back.

Roster:
microbe <- just played
Sir Bugsy <- UP
grs <- on deck
6thGenTexan
grahamiam <- on vacation Sept 24 thru Oct 9th
gozpel

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Have fun on holiday G-man.

I have it.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Pre-flight – I sign a peace treaty with Hiawatha and I pay him 6gpt. We get a straight up peace treaty with Sumeria. Theodora has a nice chunk of change.

IBT – The Vikings drop off a Zerk.
Babylon: market=> sword
Ashur: Library=> Market
Eulbar: settler=>library

1. 260 AD –Ragnar will give us a break on Feudalism. We will spend approximately 150G over the next 6 turns researching it. We’ll give it to us with a peace treaty for 2 gpt.

We get peace, Feudalism & 3G for peace & 2gpt.

Change Hareid to a settler.

IBT – Americans start Smith’s, Germans start Shake’s.

2. 270 AD – Nada.

IBT – Russians must be at war, since their units just vacated our lands.
Ellipi: Library=>FP
Everyone starts Shake’s & Smith’s

3. 280 AD – Found Carchemish. Start worker.
4. 290 AD – Nada.

IBT – Some Viking warriors come out of Russia.
Hiawatha demands TM & 19G. I give in.
Babylon: MDI=> MDI
Nineveh: market=>Settler
Hareid: settler=>market

5. 300 AD – Theodora now has over 2600G.

IBT – Extend a peace treaty with Abe.
Akkad: Treb=>temple

6. 310 AD – I buy Monotheism from Cathy for Horses and Incense. She throws in 3G. Hiawatha, Theodora and Bismark are in their IA uniforms.

IBT – Theodora demands TM & 21G.
Shuruppak: MDI=>temple

7. 320 AD – Found Mari. Start Library.

IBT – Sumeria demands 23G.
Theodora has bought something very expensive from Germany, because now Bismark has over 3200G and Theodora is broke.

8. 330 AD – Nada

IBT – Extend the peace treaty with Germany.
Babylon: MDI=> Settler
Nineveh: Settler=>cathedral

9. 340 AD – Russian workers are now wearing their IA overalls.

IBT – Germans build Bach’s and Smith’s. Bismark builds an embassy in Babylon. Theodora builds Shake’s. Russians build Newton’s

10. 350 AD – Found Larsa. Start library.

After Action – Just building the fill in cities we’ll need for culture. If we can get enough libraries, we should be able to conduct some decent research.

Save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/GG1,_350_AD.SAV

 

[grs]

Got it....

 

[grs]

PreTurn: Change Ellipi to court before Forbidden Palace and rush the court. It was 22 when I got it and is 10 at the end of my turns, so I gladly calculated correct. While I admit building an additional mine, I think it is at least even and better in the long run. Change Babylon from settler to Heroic Epic as it is size 7 and misses a granary. The Heroic Epic is good in itself and adds good culture too. Change 3 smaller cities Akkad, Uruk and Shuruppuk to settlers. Trade our last incense to Hiawatha for spices, 63 gold and his territory map (a bit abusive, but we need every piece of gold we can get). Research to 60% leads to invention in 5 at -22gpt as I fear demands.

360AD: Rush a library in Nippur, as its flip chance is about 2,5%. Research down to 50% - invention still in 5.

370AD: Iroquis and Germany sign MA vs Russia. Germany and America sign MA vs Russia. We could renegotiate peace in 4.

380AD: Theo wants to renew straight peace - we agree.

390AD: Our iron at Nippur is connected.

400AD: Invention - gunpowder. Bismark demands 20 gold - ok.

410AD: --

420AD: Renegotiate peace with Russia; i.e. declare on them. Capture 2 worker. Germany completes Magellan's.

430AD: Attack on Kazan: trebs go 2/2; horse army kills 2 fresh spears; MDI kills wounded pike; elite bowmen kills wounded spear and we raze Kazan. Nimrud founded. Lose a bow in Nineveh on the IBT to a knight.

440AD: MDI kills the knight near Nineveh. Russian longbow kills a MDI and a knight has to retreat vs. a bowman on a mountain on the IBT.

450AD: MDI kills longbow.

I know I took this to the edge, but the opportunity was very good, with Russia on war with Sumeria, Germany, Iroquis and America and the Germans are advancing heavily. Russia is horseless so we won't see many more knights and I trust you to outmaneuver the MDIs it will send.

The horse army will heal on the IBT if you don't move it. We can trade some wines to Germany to renew our friendship.

 

[6thGenTexan]

I see it is back to me. I'll add it to my list.

I do need to apologize for the maltreatment of our Citizens during my last turn (pop-rushing). Those Citizens actually willingly gave their all to furthur the cultural greatness of Babylon.

 

[6thGenTexan]

Even though Constantinople has 113 less culture than our complete civilization, this is still a culture game to lose. Swap Ashur and Hareid to a cathedrals. Swap Akkad, Alesund, Suppar and Eridu to temples. Swapp Bodo to libarary.

I see we are paying 6GPT to the Iroquois for an expired Peace treaty. We cannot afford Theology from him so we pay 29GPT and 112g for Chivarly in the peace deal.

I sell our next twenty years of vintage to Germany for 377g. I could have had their WM but I would not be able to recover that much gold selling it around.

Pull spear and bowman out of Babylon to protect the Incense.

Change Nineveh to courthouse.

End Turn.

IBT Troops from Babylon defeat MDI.

460AD-1 I do not know why the settoer is in the stack heading to Smolensk. He heads to coast near Larsa. Build Cultural city of Zamua near Samarra and Eulbar. Viking peace went from us paying 2GPT to Horses and 250g for Theology. When we are through with Catherine, we can move our troops north and see if he will declare by booting his tresspassers.

IBT A MDI and warrior lose to 2 MDI and we lose the settler.

470AD-2 Hareid cathedral-->knight Nippur worker-->temple
Trebs go 1/2 at Smolensk.
Army loses 6hp killing reg pike.
Army loses 1hp killing 3hp Knight.
Vet horse dies taking one hp from pike.
2nd Hores does the job and takes the city with a worker and a slave.

Elite bowman defeats MDI to reclaim our settler/workers. Kill another MDI in the area. MDi dropped off by Alesund defeats our Bowman. We will lose the town without a peace treaty. She only has 2g so we send over 7GPT and 156g for Education.

IBT We are kicked out of Russia.

480AD-3 Carchemish worker-->library

490BC-4 Babylon HE-->cathedral

500BC-5 Eridu temple-->courthouse Shuruppak worker-->temple

510BC-6 Sippar temple-->courthouse Drop science to a couple of specialists for Gunpowerder due next turn.

520BC-7 Gunpowerder-->Chemistry in 12 @ +8GPT Ashur cathedral-->pike The Gunpowerder is next to Ashur but not connected. Germany Calvary is doing a number on Russia. They have captured three towns. The Sumerians are taking their time getting here and Ragnar is marching an army south through our land. Both are still in the MA but still ahead of us in all posible techs.

530BC-8 Smolensk library-->temple Alesund temple-->cathedral

IBT Byzantines and Germany sign a MPP.

540AD-9 Iroquois mounted troops arrive to get a piece of Germany.

550AD-10 Babylon cathedral-->musketman Nineveh courthouse-->musketman

Our culture is now 464 greated than the city of Constantinople.....but still 15038 behind Germany.

The Game

 

[grs]

I do not know why the settoer is in the stack heading to Smolensk.

To raze and replace it. Faster than starving it down I think.

 

[6thGenTexan]

I should have left him since he was captured. Smolensk was size three when I captured it and has good shield production being in our first ring. St. Pete is now German so there is no culture pressure and the library has been built.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Going to war with Russia was an excellent decision. I think grabbing the Viking city to the NW is our next goal.

 

[6thGenTexan]

If my Bowman could have defeated the MDI at Alesund, we would have been aboe to push a little more and pick up a city in the peace deal. I don't recall which town but she was close on one of them.

We have 11 more turns of peace with Rangar to move troops back up there. I spread out our Bowmen to fill some border cities that were empty. The Army is watching the Germans near Smolensk and our trebs are in Nippur with several more Bowmen. After taking Molde, we will have the time to move south to pick up another Russian city when that deal expires in about 13 turns.

Germany is HUGH with Cavalry and Rifles taking the Russian cities. Biz also has a hugh bank account.

The only other "easy" town would be the Sumerian town, but they have a stack of MA units trying to get a Russian city, too.

 

[gozpel]

I got it and will play today, hopefully.

 

[gozpel]

Pre-turn - Not much to do here

MM a few cities and change a couple of builds.

Check out the diplo-screen, we're at peace with everyone, what a contrast from my last turns when we were dogpiled by everyone

The lux-deal with Iro is cancelled and we buy Chemistry for incense, WM, 11gpt and 140g.

Shop around for Astronomy, get it from Vikings for iron, WM, 5gpt.

Set research to Physics, which Vikings lack, using a scientist.

No deals with other civs that will make my turns different, except the peace-deal with Byz that expires in 3t. I hope I can buy Physics then.

560AD - Byz and Germany sign alliance against Russia.

Ellipi FP -> cathedral
Akkad temple -> barracks
Zariqum market -> temple

The people loves us and add to the palace

Gpt jumps from 80 to 113 from the FP

Russia is going down fast, swap Babylon, Eridu, Smolensk and Nineveh to settlers, I want more towns.

570bc - Babylon settler -> knight
Nineveh settler -> knight
Smolensk settler -> temple
Samarra library -> settler

580AD - Hareid knight -> knight
Eulbar library -> barracks

Again the people add something to the palace

Khorsabad founded -> worker

Reneg peace with Byz and buy Physics for 57 gpt and 287g.
I get Banking from Vikings for Physics, 7gpt and 5g. Metallurgy was a bit expensive right now and Viking must be rsearching Physics themselves. Ah well.

Research Magnetism with a scientist.

590AD - Ashur knight -> knight
Eridu settler -> market

Hindana founded -> temple


600AD - Not much, except the people continue building stuff on our palace

610AD - Nimrud library -> temple

Tell Wilaya founded -> temple

620ad - Russia lose cities every turn.

Babylon knight -> knight
Bodo library -> temple
Mari library -> temple

Karana founded -> temple

630AD - Ellipi cathedral -> market

Rush a couple of settlers in corrupted towns for 120g

640AD - Nineveh settler -> bank
Samarra settler -> court
Eulbar settler -> court
Shuruppak temple -> worker
Zariqum temple -> court

650AD - Hiawatha demands 25g and TM, no problems.

I've been rude before and made deals during my last turn, not today though, so next player can have the fun.

Germany wants our wines again. They have over 17k gold

We could trade away our only saltpeter to America (reneg peace?)
A bunch of taxmen and some clever dealing could get us into next age this turn, I think.

2 turns left on the peace-deal with Russia, they probably wont last that long as they are down to 2 cities.

Iro peace and 29gpt deal is on the last turn.

Vikings got all MA techs, except ToG. 1 turn left on the horsetrade with them, so we should be able to get something next turn at least.

 

[microbe]

preturn: Since horse deal with Vikings will expire next turn I do not trade this turn yet.

IBT Sumeria and Germany sign MPP and MA against Russia. Moscow falls. Iro renews peace with us.

(1)660AD: Saltpeter+47gpt+226g gives us ToG from America. Wines to Byzantines for 16gpt+11g. Reneg peace with Vikings and get Metallurgy+Magnetism by ToG+33gpt+17g+horses.

We draw Steam Power as free tech. Sell back to Vikings for Military Tradition+20gpt+17g+TM. WM is too expensive so we hold for now.

We are still making +23gpt.

Sumeria/Russia/America are only up us Nationalism. Byz/Iro have Industrialization in addition. Germany has Medicine in addition. I set to Ironclads for now.

We have no coal! But there is one source just outside St. Petersburg.

IBT Russia is destroyed.

(2)670AD: Our military is really thin - most of our towns are empty. I am really worried that Germany would sneak attack us. I reneg peace and pay 3gpt.

(3)680AD: ZZZ

(4)690AD: 3 German rifles enter our territory - if it's going to sneak attack we'll be dead. I buy coal+3gpt from Germany by our only wines.

(5)700AD: No attack.

(6)710AD:

(7)720AD: rush library in Adab the coal city.

IBT Germany declares on Iro! It's a relief. I hope the two strongest AI keep fighting. Hopefully Germany won't take it over.

(8)730AD: rush library in Adab, our coal city.

(9)740AD:

(10)750AD:

Not much. We should be relatively safe from attack, but we really need more military. We still have two empty towns, try to fix that. Germany is very aggressive, and if it makes peace with Iro it may turn to us. Once we have a complete rail net we should prepare for some wars. Those Viking towns are good to take.

Sumeria is also at war with iro I think as it has MPP with Germany.

We are making 84gpt but we cannot get ironclad anytime sooner.

Our coal can be connected before the current deal expires.

AI hasn't started ToE yet.

 

[grs]

Any longterm ideas? We only have 1 viking town left to take. What is next then? Do we already have enough towns or at least enough area for enough towns? If not, who are we planning to attack?

 

[gozpel]

We can begin building ICS now, squat in towns within our territory, and even better find spots where we can expand.

Rush culture and Germany will chew dust. But we still need to build military to take out a town or two from germans or whoever, just to consilidate our position. And to strengthen ourselves, we can't forget that.

We are sitting good.

Viking town can be taken after the deals and we can fit a couple of towns up there, raze it and we can fit in 3.

Clean up the marsh 2E of Nippur and we have another spot.

Since microbe didn't provide a map I don't know how it looks on the western side. And I'm too stuffed to change cd now.

Can anyone provide a pic of how it looks now?

 

[Sir Bugsy]

I have the game. Of course I now have three on my plate, I'll try and have this up by Saturday night.

 

[microbe]

Sorry for not posting a picture. I founded two towns but Vikings stole the iron from us. We need to get rid of those two Viking towns.

Do not ignore military! Keep building knights and upgrade to cavs once saltpeter is back in 10 turns. I was really nervous when I saw so many German cavs and rifles running around our towns. We shouldn't leave towns empty.