GPP control and RiFE

[Requia]

Is there any way to make the game stop auto assigning specialists? It keeps assigning healers, even when I have no unhealth, and I really really *don't* want great healers.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

Er... turn off city automation? That did it for me.

 

[Sjru]

The side effect for that is that you must micromanage the city plot and everything. In practical terms, is that, unless you like to do the same thing over and over, would get boring and uninteresting the more cities you want to micro, to the point of being painful. Worse, you'll have to check that city often to monitor it's changes.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

Er... I don't get what you are trying to say there. Or rather, I understand what you said but don't have any idea why you said it.


Yes, he would have to manually micro each city. But unless I am wrong there is no other way to do what he wants. It's not like one can selectively shut down one part of automation while leaving the others.

I mean no offense, maybe you just wanted to add it for completeness sake. But I think it's kind of redundant.

 

[A Moon]

Irritatingly, turning off citizen automation doesn't work for me. Great Healer spam and unhappy citizens ahoy. (Yes, even when I have "Avoid unhappy citizens" turned on.)

 

[Sjru]

Er... I don't get what you are trying to say there. Or rather, I understand what you said but don't have any idea why you said it.


Yes, he would have to manually micro each city. But unless I am wrong there is no other way to do what he wants. It's not like one can selectively shut down one part of automation while leaving the others.

I mean no offense, maybe you just wanted to add it for completeness sake. But I think it's kind of redundant.

You don't understand because the consumist way of thinking is different from other points of view. I was clearly referring to what you said about citizen automation.

Irritatingly, turning off citizen automation doesn't work for me. Great Healer spam and unhappy citizens ahoy. (Yes, even when I have "Avoid unhappy citizens" turned on.)

Because maybe once you turn it off, you have to modify the specialist by yourself?

 

[PPQ_Purple]

You don't understand because the consumist way of thinking is different from other points of view. I was clearly referring to what you said about citizen automation.

I know what you were talking about. I just don't see any reason why you said it.


Let me rephrase that whole conversation in one liners:

Moon: How do I stop the computer from modifying my specialists?
PPQ: By turning off city automation.
Sjru: Turning off city automation has other side effects.


So it's like:
Question asked.
Question answered.
Random note about the side effects of the proposed solution that adds no meaningful contribution to the conversation other than nothing that witch is inherently obvious and well known.

Do you get what I am trying to say?


PS. Yes, he might have forgotten to manually modify the specialists after disabling automation. That would explain a lot.

PPS. It seems that now I too have started posting meaningless and pointless stuff that contributes noting to the OP. dang... done with that. Call me via PM if you want to argue.

PPPS. What is a consumist way of thinking? I have newer heard the word consumist before...

 

[Divvu]

To answer the OP, force a specialist and you'll keep plot automation without auto-assignment of healers.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

For the sake of both the OP and well me. *facepalms* How do you do that?

 

[Sjru]

I know what you were talking about. I just don't see any reason why you said it.


Let me rephrase that whole conversation in one liners:

Moon: How do I stop the computer from modifying my specialists?
PPQ: By turning off city automation.
Sjru: Turning off city automation has other side effects.


So it's like:
Question asked.
Question answered.
Random note about the side effects of the proposed solution that adds no meaningful contribution to the conversation other than nothing that witch is inherently obvious and well known.

Do you get what I am trying to say?


PS. Yes, he might have forgotten to manually modify the specialists after disabling automation. That would explain a lot.

PPS. It seems that now I too have started posting meaningless and pointless stuff that contributes noting to the OP. dang... done with that. Call me via PM if you want to argue.

PPPS. What is a consumist way of thinking? I have newer heard the word consumist before...

You see? That's what I call consumist way of thinking. You say something, and if you don't think the way the other does, the other argues at you.
That's why USA wasn't friendly with Soviet Russia. The same happens now with a lot of countries, and different ways of thinking are one of the main reasons of war. (See religion in the game)

PS: Specifically, each region in the world has it own way of thinking, and is designed by culture. For now, consumist way of thinking is the Western (USA-Europe) reasoning. Because of USA cultural influence, many countries are adopting consumist way of thinking. Those who do not adopt that way of thinking, gets punished (See iran, china, etc.)

 

[PPQ_Purple]

I still don't get what you are trying to say. Some strange thinking thing?

I newer said you were arguing against me. Well I did but only as a reply to your 2nd post that was completely confusing to me as I newer heard that word consumist before and had no really idea what you were talking about.


All I said was that your post was redundant as you stated a fact that is so well known within the civ community that it is not required to say it. And that I don't know why you said it.

It's like you walked into a Christian church and exclaimed that Christ was crucified. You know, redundant to the max.
Better example, it's like you said: "People die when they get killed."

In other words, you were being a captain obvious and I was confused as to why.

My post was essentially a badly phrased: "Gee you think."

 

[Sjru]

But you don't know if the other knows that fact, if he does know, ok, better, he can have more information, which is better.

I don't see why you user black letter in your post, that seems to be an argue.
As I said, I don't expect you to understand everything one says, and your reaction to this situation for me, seems to be hostile.

PS: Captain obvious is a somewhat parody or comes from the "Captain america", cold war figurine that was used by the government to set Soviet Russia as an enemy for the masses.

It's like you walked into a Christian church and exclaimed that Christ was crucified. You know, redundant to the max.

That could happen, actually. Say you recently convert to chrisianity and have read the bible for the first time. One could be shocked by the information you've read, so...

 

[PPQ_Purple]

But you don't know if the other knows that fact, if he does know, ok, better, he can have more information, which is better.

The name of the function is City automatation.
Turning off a function called City automation will naturally lead to said city no longer being automated or rather the city becoming the opposite of automated which is Human Controlled.

If someone is incapable of figuring that out he might want to consider an IQ test.

I don't see why you user black letter in your post, that seems to be an argue.

No, it is called bolding. It is used to put emphasis on individual words or phrases setting them out from the surrounding and giving the other people talking with you notice that they should devote special attention to said word or phrase. Like I did with the word bold in the first sentence of this paragraph.

As I said, I don't expect you to understand everything one says, and your reaction to this situation for me, seems to be hostile.

Well the issue is that I can't understand half of the things you are saying.
You refer to your self in third person singular with an impersonal pronoun (one) rather than the regular first person singular (I).
You are full of such incoherences, like for example you used the verb "argue" as a noun in a way that has no meaning at all.

You lack coherence in many of your phrases and seem to have no overall plan as to what you are saying. Maybe I am just a grammar Nazi (and I am not) but I am having a hard time making sense of what you are saying.

PS: Captain obvious is a somewhat parody or comes from the "Captain america", cold war figurine that was used by the government to set Soviet Russia as an enemy for the masses.

Excuse me? Have you read the article at all?
Let me enlighten you:

He strives to be Mr Exposition... But there's something wrong with his exposition. Most of the time, whatever he has to say should already be obvious — both to the viewers and to any other character with half a brain. After saying anything, another character might state "Gee, you think?"

In other words, Captain Obvious states the obvious. This means that his statements are self-evident.

That could happen, actually. Say you recently convert to chrisianity and have read the bible for the first time. One could be shocked by the information you've read, so...

You misunderstood. It's like walking up to a group of seasoned cristians and trying to explain to them that crist was crusified.

It's like saying: "The rain is wet.", "The sun is shiny." It's just stating redundant facts without any reason for them to be stated.


PS. Sorry for slow reply time, TVtropes has me trapped in.

 

[Celeborn]

But you don't know if the other knows that fact, if he does know, ok, better, he can have more information, which is better.

I don't see why you user black letter in your post, that seems to be an argue.
As I said, I don't expect you to understand everything one says, and your reaction to this situation for me, seems to be hostile.

PS: Captain obvious is a somewhat parody or comes from the "Captain america", cold war figurine that was used by the government to set Soviet Russia as an enemy for the masses.



That could happen, actually. Say you recently convert to chrisianity and have read the bible for the first time. One could be shocked by the information you've read, so...

As a random note, Captain Obvious has nothing to do with Captain America, but is rather term used to poke fun at someone who makes a redundant/obvious statement... Much like this very statement of mine is. Or rather it should be obvious.


If ya got a beef against the US or things they represent then fair enough, but lets keep real-world political talk and out of these thread in this here forum.

Also, consumist.
AKA, somebody who consume/ a consumer. A consumist(Not a real word even) way of thinking would have nothing to do with opposing somebody's view point just 'cause it differs from you. No sir... A consumist way of thinking would be "I can't really afford Civ 5 right now, what with my bank account being in the red and I need to pay my rent still... But it! I'm buying it!).


Or in a less material sense it would relate to a person "consuming"(accepting) whatever view-point is put forward to them without thought to the reasons behind that view point.


But then again, that's just my interpretation of it. But regardless the OP's query has been answered and quasi-political debate/ going on about how Captain America is a dirty capitalist symbol from the Cold War (Despite the fact that he pre-dates the Cold War) doesn't really belong here.

 

[Requia]

To answer the OP, force a specialist and you'll keep plot automation without auto-assignment of healers.

That explains why it stops happening mid game when I start forcing the specialists I do want.

 

[Valkrionn]

Captain obvious is a somewhat parody or comes from the "Captain america", cold war figurine that was used by the government to set Soviet Russia as an enemy for the masses.

Uh.... no. The name alone possibly, but even that's a stretch.

Captain America originated back in WW2, btw, with his first comic concerning kicking the crap out of some Nazis. It had nothing to do with the USSR until well after the comic started.

 

[Celeborn]

Uh.... no. The name alone possibly, but even that's a stretch.

Captain America originated back in WW2, btw, with his first comic concerning kicking the crap out of some Nazis. It had nothing to do with the USSR until well after the comic started.

Damn that Red Skull and his Super Nazi plans!

 

[dunedainjedi]

Uh.... no. The name alone possibly, but even that's a stretch.

Captain America originated back in WW2, btw, with his first comic concerning kicking the crap out of some Nazis. It had nothing to do with the USSR until well after the comic started.

Additionally at the height of the 'Red Scare', the McCarthy trials and what not, Captain America wasn't even being written. IIRC the comic was around in the 40s ended and then picked up by Marvel in the 60s to use the character in the Avengers.

And even then the Avengers didn't fight very many Russians.

And Iron Man is way more of a capitalistic pig than Cap ever was. It's like we're ignoring the entire Marvel Civil War. This is HISTORY people.

 

[jimmythes]

I find if I tell the city to specialize (production or commerce) I only get healer when I run out of other ggp slots.

 

[Calavente]

I find if I tell the city to specialize (production or commerce) I only get healer when I run out of other ggp slots.

Hahaha ...
if you have no more ggp slots... any specialists becomes a healer....banzaï capt'n obvious !!

Well the issue is that I can't understand half of the things you are saying.
You refer to your self in third person singular with an impersonal pronoun (one) rather than the regular first person singular (I).
You are full of such incoherences, like for example you used the verb "argue" as a noun in a way that has no meaning at all.

You lack coherence in many of your phrases and seem to have no overall plan as to what you are saying. Maybe I am just a grammar Nazi (and I am not) but I am having a hard time making sense of what you are saying.

PPQ : while on the whole I agree much more with you than with Sjru on the topics discuted here, I can't really allow you to say that.
If you open your eyes a bit, you'll see that Sjru is from Argentina. Ergo, english is not his maternal tongue (neither it is mine).
So IMO, you should be a little more tolerant about his mistakes, as the meaning of each of his sentences (save "consumist" ) is cleary understandable even with them.
Well, maybe, being french, I understand some of his mistakes more easily than you (English native speaker) as I am prey to the same deceptive cognates (faux amis).

Edit: On the topic of the thread :
I never automate my cities.
I think I don't understand why one would do it.
I never have to micromanage it (only the construction side of it)
The city manager always chose the best plots for a balanced city and never assigne a healer. It will even change exploited tiles if some better tiles are created by the workers.

sometimes, once in a while, while choosing what the city will build next, you look in front of your eyes and say "oh, I want to improve commerce" : it is as easy to click on "enhance commerce" (that I never do) as it is to move around your citizens, some on villages, some on ressources as normaly you are more efficient than the computer. furthermore sometimes, it is more interesting to have a craftsman than a river mine.
For every city you have, on the whole, the difference between what you'll do and what the computer would do accounts to genereally less than 2-3 tiles : it doesn't take much time.
And if you want to go back to " 1st then , click on the city square, then make the 1-2tiles changes you want)

It's true that it could be time consuming if you have 20+ cities : But who would do that for 20 cities? only your top 3-4 cities need to be looked close by, the others don't amount to much on the gpp pool nor on production//.
I never moved the citizen around for more than 1 city per 2-5 round. not to much time-consumming eh.
The only time I ever do it is when I'm rushing to a tech or I want much gold quickly. Then I'll shuffle to every city, producing gold/science and creating scientists/merchant, reducing , even going into famine to allow for some more commerce.
But I think you'll have to do the same even if you usually are fond of automation..

So even if I could understand to automate when you have 20+ cities.... I don't understand how being trapped with Great healers can happen : automating your 1st city, for the 100 early turns can not gain you much play-time.
It's not micromanaging to check every 10-turns (or at every odd acomplished construction) how your city is managed.
and microing (even if it is not really micromanaging) your capital can't take you more than 30sec per hour !!