Gr24 - AWD vs 30 civs on 250x250 Archipelago

[vmxa]

Lurker:
if you are very very close to the edge on income, you could fall below it with a enemy stepping on a tile. Support cost going or some thing like that.

 

[markh]

DO NOT RETURN THE ARMY. It takes about 10 turns to get it back. It will not help us. Japan will build up again and even archers from the South will put us into trouble. The army keeps them busy which is good.

 

[markh]

Lurker:
if you are very very close to the edge on income, you could fall below it with a enemy stepping on a tile. Support cost going or some thing like that.

Most likely this was the case. I am beginning to feel that I should play more Civ3.

 

[I. Larkin]

Played 0.75 turns. Situation looks critical. Got leader in defense. What do you think about Spearmen Army? It is 2 Elite* there.

 

[plarq]

Played 0.75 turns. Situation looks critical. Got leader in defense. What do you think about Spearmen Army? It is 2 Elite* there.

Do you have 8 cities?

 

[Northern Pike]

Plarq is right. We can't form another army anyway.

We have very few units, and the situation may become impossible during your round, as you say. Just do the best you can.

 

[Greebley]

Actually there is the option of disbanding the Archer army and building a Spear (or archer) one. I would hold off on that unless we feel we have to - especially if we can get Japan down to just the capitol first.

 

[I. Larkin]

I finis turnset (alive) and all Cities are, but you will see. Writing TL ATM.

0 750*BC Regroop troops. Send more toward Erdine
IBT More swords appears, Erdine hold attack. Got Leader in Defence. Swords ingnore Iznik. Bursa riot.
1 730*BC Regroop troops. Archer win vs Sword Army kill 2 Spears in Edo.
IBT More swords appears, Erdine hold attack. Swords ingnore Iznik. Bursa-> Archer.
2 710*BC Regroop troops. Lose Archer vs Japanise Spear near Bursa. Army kill Archer and destroy Edo. Move to Japanise core. Undefended settler on position.
IBT More swords appears, Erdine hold attack. Swords ingnore Iznik.
3 690*BC Regroop troops. Micrmng as Cattle under Portugal… Army heal. Found Uskudar.
IBT More swords appears, Erdine hold attack. Swords moved from Erdine to Iznik. Japanise Spear meve to Uskudar.
4 670*BC Regroop troops. Lose Archer vs Sword
IBT More swords appears, Erdine hold attack. Swords around Iznik.
5 650*BC Regroop troops. Lose Archer vs Sword. Army approach Kogashima.
IBT More swords appears, Erdine hold attack. Swords ingnore Iznik and move to Istambul. Istambul riot as not enough Lux. Japan concentrate near ISkudar.
6 630*BC Regroop troops. Lose 3 Archer vs Swords. Army destroy Kagoshima and move “help”.
IBT More swords appears, Erdine hold attack. Swords ingnore Iznik.
7 610*BC Regroop troops. Lose 2 Archer vs Sword and spear. Army kill Archer on the way home.
IBT More swords appears, Erdine hold attack. Swords pillage around. Portugal found City at NW.
8 590*BC Regroop troops. Clean japanise SoD near Uskudar.
IBT More swords appears, Erdine hold attack. Swords ingnore Iznik and move toward Busra. NW City border expand?? They are at despotism BTW…
9 570*BC Regroop troops. Army at Uscudar
IBT More swords appears, Swords ingnore Iznik and move to Busra, even readlined.
10 550*BC Regroop troops. Lose Archer vs spear. Army in Istambul, but may attack, but will be exposed.

 

[Northern Pike]

Well, good work hanging on , but with that many enemies in the middle of our position it's probably over. The timing just didn't work out for us in this one. When we have to go into a defensive shell with just four cities founded, there isn't much hope.

 

[ThERat]

just opened the save, sorry folks, but this game is surely over...let's try a new start, we can at most afford 1 nearby Civ I'd say

 

[AndrewN]

Its a shame if this game is a bust, you had a promising start.

If you want to have another go, it might be an idea to have somebody else check to see if you only have one opponent. Normally I would not approve but you have already opened this Pandora's Box . I would assume having no opponents is also not particularly useful.

 

[markh]

Its a shame if this game is a bust, you had a promising start.

If you want to have another go, it might be an idea to have somebody else check to see if you only have one opponent. Normally I would not approve but you have already opened this Pandora's Box . I would assume having no opponents is also not particularly useful.

Well, you could handle two AIs eventually as long as you are not boxed between them.

 

[Greebley]

I am also thinking we should have tried to go for Iron working earlier. Swords would have supported us better and a Sword army could have hurt Japan more.

We were also late in getting WC so no offense when we got Pottery first (since we didn't know at the time we would have 2 enemies).

I would like to try this again. Is anyone opposed? If not I will start Gr25 probably this weekend.

 

[vmxa]

Lurker:

I think you mentioned going to IW quickly, but that was not what was done. A huge gamble was taken to go for Pottery and it turned out to be a mistake. IMO it is nearly always a mistake to go for Pottery in AW.

If you were alone you have time to build, if you were not you would need offense. I view it as if you do not go for Pottery first and are alone, all that happens is you are slower to start. If you Pottery first and are not alone you could die.

This is the same argument I gave to a friend of friend in the 70's on real estate. He was investing all he had and I warned that it was going to collapse. He was greedy. My point to him was that if he did it my way and I was wrong, he still made money, just not as much.

If he stuck with his way and I was right he was broke. Three years later he was broke, out of real estate and moved to Texas. You know I am a cautious person.

Good luck on the next one.

 

[Greebley]

I agree pottery was not correct - that is why we were slow getting WC. I don't play Archi maps (one reason I want to do one) enough to know we would get an enemy on the island. It didn't seem a gamble as I was thinking we would very likely be alone. Clearly that was not correct as we got not 1 but 2 enemies.

 

[vmxa]

Lurker:

Yeah, know one knows how it will roll out. One thing I have found to be a problem is if you are alone and no one is close enough to reach you, before Nav/Mag. Even if you manage to get out and make contacts, you need enough landings to get a leader.

AW at the highest levels need armies, you just cannot match them otherwise.

 

[M60A3TTS]

An unfortunate end to be sure. Having had a few days to consider the scenario, I have to say that my original view is unchanged. I just don't see how it will be possible to ferry any sizable military safely to the larger landmasses. The only practical naval vessel for transporting any substantial force with escort is a galleon/frigate combo. And at deity without trades and without the benefit of a GLib, those galleons and escorting frigates will almost certainly be exposed to attacks by destroyers and bombers. So does anyone have thoughts around this?

 

[ThERat]

Greebley, are you suggesting to restart the game and going for IW straight away?

 

[Northern Pike]

I'm ready for the next game whenever you want to start it, Greebley. But I'd rather play a screened start, in which we know that we'll have just one enemy on our island (unless the second is a long way off), than another random attempt.

M60's objections are cogent, but I'd at least like to take this scenario far enough to learn what will really happen. With an island to ourselves, we may be able to research more quickly than usual in AWD.

Vmxa, can we talk you into playing the new game? Judging by your massive essay on winning at Regent, skipping this one left you bored with time on your hands.

 

[Greebley]

No a new start. We lost this one.

I don't see us falling that far behind in tech if we can survive, M60A3TTS, but we will see. That is part of the point, to explore new ground we haven't tried before.