Greatest Modern Ruler?

[Sheep]

Go Lenin

 

[Pangur Bán]

I'm thinking about putting the leaders of these three threads into a greatest ruler ever thread. Good idea, or not?

 

[Knight-Dragon]

No. Like I've said, no more comparison threads; in these case, there isn't even a common basis for comparison since these ppl are fr different time periods and vastly differently organized states.

I've a mind to shut down these 'who's greatest' threads as well since : -
1) they're comparative again
2) they're old threads and have run their course

Old threads shld be allowed to fade away...

 

[Pangur Bán]

Originally posted by XIII
No. Like I've said, no more comparison threads; in these case, there isn't even a common basis for comparison since these ppl are fr different time periods and vastly differently organized states.

I've a mind to shut down these 'who's greatest' threads as well since : -
1) they're comparative again
2) they're old threads and have run their course

Old threads shld be allowed to fade away...

That's not going to be the new philospohy of this forum is it? I sure hope not. There's nothing wrong with comparisons in my opinion.

The common basis for comparison is that they are rulers. You mention differences, but everything in the Universe differs slightly from everything else. Your philosophy would necessitate a revolution in human thinking, and an absolute stagnation of empirical learning. If the differences are large, that makes the job more difficult and interesting, but it's not like we're comparing the "loudness of fox barks" with "mosaics in the Hagia Sophia" in terms of their taste. The points of comparisons fit nicely with our intuition and there are many natural points of comparison. Effect on later history, resourcefulness, etc, etc. The differences you mention are, at worst, factors to be brought into consideration, but certainly not reasons for banning historical comparisons.

ANd old thread? Well, these are hardly old. I would think that the threads should be allowed to die away if no-one wants them, not because they are merely 2 months old. If that was the principle, then why not close all threads older than some arbitrary time point. If no-one wants them, then they will die away anyway. So, you don't need to worry about it

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by calgacus
That's not going to be the new philospohy of this forum is it? I sure hope not. There's nothing wrong with comparisons in my opinion.

On a case by case basis. We'll see... I'm still weighing it - particularly seeing how the present Roman emperors thread went (it was entirely within Rome - one entity!).

Once a long long time ago, we had a Rome vs Han China thread... It turned into some pretty ugly bashing, of both empires, betw supporter(s) of either... So, if a thread is not conductive (in actual or potentially) to maintaining the friendly atmosphere in CFC, it goes, regardless of its academic/philosophical merits.

If that was the principle, then why not close all threads older than some arbitrary time point. If no-one wants them, then they will die away anyway. So, you don't need to worry about it

Because that would mean work for me. I don't mind an old thread now and then, but try not to call up a host of them all at the same time in future.

It's fine in History I supposed (being less active), but definitely a no no in OT. Anyways, I haven't closed them yet...

End of discussion on this topic.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Originally posted by XIII

(it was entirely within Rome - one entity!).

That's not what some of those id[sic], sorry, people are saying.

Originally posted by XIII

End of discussion on this topic.

Yeah, OK.

 

[Sodfather]

Where the hell is Ike? The guy won World War II. This board is biased against America, I swear .

If you have a problem with posts and threads, pls PM me or use the 'Report to mod' function. Otherwise, pls don't make comments like these. Thanks - XIII

 

[General Brown]

But he wasn't a ruler when winning WW2

 

[CruddyLeper]

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
The Greatest Modern Ruler? Tony Blair.

Victor of 5 wars (N.Ireland, Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan and Iraq)...

N Ireland - still huge numbers of weapons in circulation and a "ceasefire" that still involves punishment beatings, extortion, and rioting.

Kosovo - resulting an a mass wave of refugees that still clog Europe's asylum system. Funny idea of victory (if Kosovo is so great now, why don't they go home chum?)

Sierra Leone - dying down now but could still explode at any time. Unlikely to be peace there in our generation.

Afghanistan - COME ON! NO peace whatsoever outside of Kabul and the occaional bombing and rocket attack inside the city. Afghanistan is one country that cannot be conquered without killing every single Afghani.

Iraq - still daily attacks on coalition forces.

And, you have to admit, NONE of these are actually Tony's idea.

You have some VERY strange ideas on victory. If victory has been won in any of these places, try taking a holiday in any of these destinations to confirm your opinions.

As for my vote, went to FDR. A strong personality but allied with compassion... Potent combination.

 

[CruddyLeper]

If Boney's on the poll, why isn't Nosey? (Napoleon and Wellington).

 

[ZultanofZex]

Karl XI of course!

 

[Alone]

I voted for Tzar Peter the Great. He was real magnificent caracter from the begining of modern age for Russia!

Also Washington and Bismark were close.


The rest like Napoleon, Hittler..etc were far away.

why?
'Couse for those 3 guys you can see result even in present time!!!



It was just my modest opinion.

 

[scotland_no1]

Originally posted by Irish Caesar
I would have to agree that Tony Blair has done an incredible job as Prime Minister.

...............
maybe hes done an incredible job if you look at him from another country. however many many people here beleive that hes lost it, and his positions out the window. He's in a sorry mess now. He may have done some good things in other countries. But back home he has caused many problems in our railways,health service, nursing homes, schools and many more. Hes turning it into the crappy labour government of the 70's.

anyway i voted only one which was napoleon, he did so much and was loved by his people aswell. not only did he conquer other lands, but he also remebered about the people back home and gave them better qualities of life.

 

[Sarevok]

napoleon, bismarck, lenin, stalin, churchill, suleiman, peter, louis XIV...

 

[Cactus_Jack]

Boris Yeltsin.
Any leader who is pissed out of his skull is cool with me.

 

[privatehudson]

Victoria of England, maybe not a ruler precisely, but her influence and the influence of her reign is still with us today in many a way.

 

[Archer 007]

Lincoln and Bismarck