Greek SG - Regent level

[Dominix]

I have always been meaning to ask. When dealing with a jungle heavy region like the one below Delphi, if there is a city plop in the middle of the jungle, would it be better to first build roads to the city and then start cutting down the jungle, or cut down the jungle first and then build the roads on grassland?

 

[Ankka]

Cut jungle first. the number of turns to complete both worker tasks is shorter if you cut the jungle first.

 

[mad-bax]

IMO it depends on the situation. If there are no tiles for a citizen to work that will give 2 food then clear the jungle first. The city will not grow at all with only jungle tiles workable and therefore will not need luxes. Building a road first then clearing the jungle takes more turns also.

However, if the town is important for other reasons such as being on your only source of rubber or controlling a choke point etc, then it is worth spending the extra worker turns, and delaying the cities growth to get the benefit of the resource or being able to move units quickly to and from the city.

In our case we need a road on the lux, period. So road the lux. When we come to clear the jungle we would clear the lux tiles last probably. This is because luxes are not sited on BG tiles. So clearing the other jungle tiles at least gives us a 1 in 3 chance of getting a BG.

 

[Yndy]

It depends of what you want in the short/medium run just like m-b wrote.

Normally I build an access road to the city first. Then I set the city itself on a continuous worker build. For this you only need one two-food tile. I move each worker on one jungle tile and start cutting it. It takes forever but this has the lowest worker action cost.

Often I would not even do that, and instead move the workers to other locations to do other tasks, which are more efficient. Then later in the game, just before steam power I end up with a lot of workers with little tasks to do. I move one worker on each jungle tile and road the tile. Later, when my workers are done railroading they can move on the jungle tile and cut the jungle in the same turn.

Dominix, you did good. There's nothing to comment.

 

[Håkon]

Well, mad-bax, I believe it is your turn...save us now

Then:
1. Smellincoffee
2. Håkon
3. Yndy
4. Wizard
5. Dominix

Doesn't look like this game is going too well, but we may always hope...

 

[mad-bax]

We'll just swap Oracle for Heroic Epic in the AA. The situation is retreivable, it's just not ideal. We were not disciplined enough about controlling AI tech rate and got bitten. The other point I would make (and was the reason I suggested a dot map) is that with one city on wonder building duty and another on settler building duty our production is rubbish. Our next two cities were then in the jungle and in the desert. That's not good.

At regent we could have delayed settling the jungle even though it has a lux and chosen a high shield site for the third city instead. The lux slider could have been used instead. I struggle to find a reason for settling the desert town. We need also to found cities on the other side of Sparta so that it is no longer in the front line.

I'll say a few more words after I've played and posted tonight.

 

[Smellincoffee]

Don't be too hasty, MB- my computer won't be working again until tomorrow. (See my problem in the Computer forum)

 

[Dominix]

Thanks for the input on the jungle question. The Chinese deciding to declare war on the Romans really baffles me (they had a ROP, and although the ai breaking treaties is no new thing, I don't see any reason why they would break it in this case), but with that action I think we'll only need to worry about the Iro.

 

[Yndy]

We don't really need to worry about the AI, this early and on Regent. Just to be sure I gave them a close target in the Babylonians. I doubt we'll see more than a couple of stray Iroquois units in this war. just remember to respect the alliances I've made and don't rush to make peace whenever they ask for it.

 

[mad-bax]

I'm sorry guys but the link is broke and I can't find a file with a similar name on the server. I will have to ask you to upload the file again please Dominix.

 

[Dominix]

Really, sorry about that. Here's the link

 

[Ankka]

I'm back!

And no turns played? No prob, now I have more time to check on where we are going...

 

[mad-bax]

350BC: Pre-turn.
This is not good.
The worker one turn into clearing jungle on his own is put on the forrest. Chopping that will allow a warrior or hoplite immediately after a settler.
Delphi switched from warrior to settler.
Switch to single scientist research. Scientist is in Corinth.
China is a monster because it got the pyramids.

330BC:
Settler is on GOTO. Please don't do goto's that run outside your set of turns.
Nothing else happened. There is a lot of land to grab. But we are in a poor position to get it.

IBT:
Elizabeth wants to renew alliance with Iroquois. I decline.

310BC:
Hiawatha hasn't got horses yet. So no need to take a peace deal.
The Hoplite in Athens doesn't look very good value now, so I change to settler.
Thermopylae changed from warrior to worker. I'm not sure a farmer gamebit is such a good idea really, but we need towns and improved tiles yesterday.

IBT:
Sparta Library - Cathederal

290BC:
Buy worker off China for 30g. Downright exploitative, but I couldn't care less.
Barb horse appears near Mycaenae. I can't get a defender there soon enough. The warrior will have to cope.

IBT:

270BC:
Kill barb near Knossos
Pop hut for barbs (again )

IBT:
All barbs disposed of. 2 warriors upgraded to vet.
Athens settler - warrior
Thermopylae worker - warrior
Delphi settler - warrior

250BC:
Found Hereklaia - worker
China has Monarchy. It's too expensive ATM IMO, but Sparta is now on HG pre-build. Hopefully We'll get it from the GL.
Nothing much else happened.

IBT:
Zulus want to swap territory map. I can guess whats coming.
Learn Monarchy. I am very tempted to revolt. But I am willing to wait till the end of my turns to discuss it.
Iroquois are in monarchy already. China are in Anarchy. Iroquois are more of a threat now, but no peace yet.

230BC:
No news.

IBT:
Athens warrior - Settler
Found Ephesus - Warrior. I MM'd Sparta to allow Ephesus +2 food. HG will be one turn late because of this. So Veto if you like.

190BC:
Warrior/settler pair end up on tile next to barb horse. I was stupid and moved settler first.

IBT:
Delphi warrior - warrior
Knossos rax - warrior
Zulu start great wall.
Killed barb horse, but it leaves settler isolated

170BC:
No news

IBT:
Rome Declares on the English.

150BC:
Predictably a barb horse appears next to settler. Settler moves to only tile the horse cant reach in one turn.

I have left the barb/settler situation as best I can. If the barb goes after the settler you can place the settler and warrior on the same mountain tile. If the barb attacks the injured warrior, there is a vet warrior in range to take out the barb, then carry on to escort the settler. This settler is a kind of gambit up the east coast. Trying to see if we can get to the dyes. Otherwis it can found a high food site and pump workers.

Although I continued the republic research I don't agree with it. I would have gone for feudalism and Tzun Tsus, and I would have revolted into monarchy. At regent you tend to get lucky with lower numbers of turns of anarchy. Also it would have enebled us to buy a cathederal before starting HG.

We still need to make vet warriors, workers and settlers. Very little else. Nothing goes into Sparta except culture.

We can get a city for peace with the Iroquois. But it's not a city that would do us any good. The zulu should shoot their bolt soon. When we get knights I would suggest an alliance with China against them, or else an alliance with the Zulu against china for the pyramids. We could really do with that building.

Here is the >>save<<

 

[Ankka]

Ah, do we have the Great Library! Now that's nice!

Sounds pretty good to me.

 

[Smellincoffee]

Won't be able to get to it until tomorrow- if Hakon wants to go ahead, I'm okay with it. (Computer working every other day- Tuesday it should be working again.Right now I'm at collge.)

 

[Håkon]

Got the save. I'll play tomorrow night.

Shame about your computer, Smellincoffee.

 

[Smellincoffee]

Aye, the worst part is that I have Conquests.

Tomorrow night? I could get it tomorrow morning...

 

[Håkon]

That means roughly the same time, Smellincoffee. Remember, different time zones - but if you wanna play tomorrow, go ahead. I couldn't play today cos of training.

 

[Smellincoffee]

Oh- yeah. Sorry bout that. Once time zones leave the States, I don't bother to keep track. You can play it- I'm eager to return to Conquests.

 

[Ankka]

Oh, must you brag about it? I'm still waiting for it, as it comes here waaay too late...