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[Guide] Resource Gathering (beta)

Discussion in 'CivWorld - General Discussions' started by punctuator, Jul 9, 2011.

  1. punctuator

    punctuator Ginger Snap

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    Here's an interesting question: Why do these two scientists have the same productivity?

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  2. Glinda

    Glinda Warlord

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    Is the guy with the diagonal not running through the forest to get home? Maybe there are bears and wolufs in there and he has to go via the L-shape rather than on the diagonal.
     
  3. sucinum

    sucinum Chieftain

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    Did you try moving the 2 houses away and back? Sometimes pathways are broken and this resets them.
    That can also make a difference for farmers, because sometimes, their routes are not optimal and you can increase your total gain by placing them in the right order. If you add a farmer somewhere, he harvests whatever field is free.
     
  4. raunch99

    raunch99 Chieftain

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    That is interesting. Are they both taking the routes we would expect them to?

    The only thing I can think of is perhaps it has something to do with rounding. After calculating bonuses maybe one scientist is producing 32.5 and the other is 33.4, but they both get rounded to 33? Perhaps with another great scientist you would get 33 and 34, or with 1 less you would get 32 and 33.
     
  5. Minor Annoyance

    Minor Annoyance Deity

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    Regarding the value of the palace vs. green as a drop off point. I have this set up:
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    A palace, bank, merchant and forest, and this one:

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    Upside down and with a green instead of a palace.
    The banks are ginormous and the palace and green are small
    The palace gives 37 and the green 34.

    Then I upgrade the green:
    Small 34
    Modest 37
    Large 37
    Ginormous 42

    Based on this it seems like the green is a set behind a palace
    Regarding the modest/large similarity, it probably rounds off a decimal in the calculation before adding modifiers. I have a 110% bonus on gold.

    So that's my contribution. These things are expensive to test but I was expanding anyway. This game is nearing the end so I probably won't have time to test another setup to get more data, until next game.
     
  6. punctuator

    punctuator Ginger Snap

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    It seems like there are sometimes bugs with size upgrades. I've heard of people getting no benefit from Large > Ginormous, for example, when pretty clearly they should. The difference is big enough to not be a rounding error, even at low productivity (but especially when higher).

    Naturally bugs complicated testing. Or if this is intended behavior, it's pretty bizarre.
     
  7. Creepy Old Man

    Creepy Old Man Warlord

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    Remember, this is the same company that gave us the original incomprehensible unit upkeep costs in CiV.
     
  8. Verdisian

    Verdisian Chieftain

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    I just noticed that my farmers seem to get a happiness bonus from living next to the walls at the edge of the map.
     
  9. Creepy Old Man

    Creepy Old Man Warlord

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    I did a test on bridges and distances.

    Same layout except that in the second case there's a road across the sea. As you can see, farmer values are identical.

    So distances do not seem to be strongly affected by roads.
     

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  10. Verdisian

    Verdisian Chieftain

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    Might be worth noting in the main guide that wall spaces at the edge of the world boost happiness as well as forests and water.
     
  11. Skurcey

    Skurcey Chieftain

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    Thanks for your guide, very pro and 110% usefull (you live near a forest or a lake? ;) )
     
  12. Pinstar

    Pinstar Ringtailed Regent

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    I find the
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    HFF setup to be the most ideal of the forest setups. Every house has a minimum of +2 happiness due to being next to a neighbor and a forest. Bordering water/forests can bump that to +4 happy at max (for the two corners) not counting civ happy bonuses.

    This layout sometimes suffers from the inoptimal pathfinding bug, but not always.
     
  13. Minor Annoyance

    Minor Annoyance Deity

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    Does anyone know if homeless population still contributes to trickle income? Because some times I see the price of production get so high I'd be a fool not to cash in everything that can be recycled at full cost, unless I'm reducing my other income.
     
  14. Glinda

    Glinda Warlord

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    I think it might because if you look at some of these people who play for one day and never come back, they end up with a lot of population (all of whom are grey guys with no houses), and where the heck does it come from, if not the trickle.
     
  15. Bobz12

    Bobz12 Chieftain

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    well once they reach 24 harvest the trickle stops i belive for that reason.. when people don't play for like a week they can't come back and just destroy the market since they have tons of extra resources
     
  16. LarryCiv

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    Well, last week the game was (effectively) down for 2-3 days, and people did come back and destroy the economy, haha..
     
  17. Bobz12

    Bobz12 Chieftain

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    well i was wondering what you guys thought about these two set-ups for trying to max out science. Trying to get as many houses as possible maxed out on one set of villages and seeing if it would be worth adding another village or more onto exsisting ones.



    For Design 1: i'm assuming the placement of the green houses should max each one of them the most it can but would it be worth adding the grey houses or instead finding another spot to set-up four more with a new village? Its only a .5 extra walking distance for he grey houses


    For Design 2: is this set-up for the green houses better or worst than the first design? The houses are maxed out in happiness but have to walk further (5 compared to 3.5 using diagonal as 1.5 and striaght as 1). so i'm assuming design one would be the better set-up but nore sure. I would think the grey houses here not be worth adding?


    If any1 has a better design let me know as in my current game we are about to get villages so plan on switching to science probably soon.
     
  18. Verdisian

    Verdisian Chieftain

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    All of the houses in design 1 should have the same output, and would be optimal.
     
  19. h0ncho

    h0ncho Chieftain

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    Do you have a global happiness bonus from wonder or policies?

    If so, your guys are super-ecstatic. If happiness works like it was previously speculated, by reducing the penalty for movement, then both have their route reduced by four, which is larger than or equal to their total route for both of them. The top right guy then has a route equal to 4-4=0, the lower guy has a route of 3.5-4=-0.5. If the game doesn't give a bonus for negative work route, then what is happening in the pic is that both are working at their maximum possible capacity.

    That's my theory anyways.
     
  20. Boozie

    Boozie Chieftain

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    Actually as stated, the grey houses have a further walking distance by ~0.5
     

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