Guns and Bunny

[Farm Boy]

An alpha and omega that sets us to live in a world that lacks goodness but for what we choose to bring into it. That sets us all to die despite our love for it. Loving God is a tall order, but probably necessary in order to love effectively and broadly the others of creation. The crosspiece requires its support.

 

[El_Machinae]

An alpha and omega that sets us to live in a world that lacks goodness but for what we choose to bring into it. That sets us all to die despite our love for it. Loving God is a tall order, but probably necessary in order to love effectively and broadly the others of creation. The crosspiece requires its support.

I have no problem with loving God, ineffable motives and all. Jesus's error was telling us to love Jehovah. Remember, the Old Testament has accused God of committing a variety of atrocities. Now, these many of these atrocities didn't occur, so the god that they tell us to worship (Jehovah) is not the true God.

It's a bit of a hard thing to understand, but let's talk about it this way. There is a fictitious entity that is called God. This fictitious entity, for example, flooded the world and killed almost all the people. Obviously, this entity doesn't exist, and so to call it God is incorrect (since God, by definition, actually exists). Jesus's moral error was to tell us to worship Jehovah, when the actual commandment should have been to worship God. Jesus didn't recognise that Jehovah was not a god worthy of worship and love.

 

[Farm Boy]

People die in floods. They starve when locusts swarm. They grow lumps and die. They get the flu and they die. God gives us children, and he wrought the world where mothers die bringing them forth. The ground where we plant our people is littered with small weathered stones marked "baby" from the 19th century even as the predominance has started to skew towards "I miss you dad" from the 21st. I think the men and women of the Old Testament suffered few illusions as to the apparent cruelties of God. The New Testament might just require more of us in some ways, not less, when it comes to realizing joy from the fundamental covenant.

 

[stinkubus]

LOL superstition.

 

[El_Machinae]

People die in floods. They starve when locusts swarm. They grow lumps and die. They get the flu and they die. God gives us children, and he wrought the world where mothers die bringing them forth. The ground where we plant our people is littered with small weathered stones marked "baby" from the 19th century even as the predominance has started to skew towards "I miss you dad" from the 21st. I think the men and women of the Old Testament suffered few illusions as to the apparent cruelties of God. The New Testament might just require more of us in some ways, not less, when it comes to realizing joy from the fundamental covenant.

I don't deny that The Problem of Evil makes it harder to believe in God. I'd have to say that it's the major problem I have, despite having other reasons for being an atheist. But I'm not saying that Jesus wasn't pretty awesome. I like his Golden Rule. Lots. I don't even mind his commandment to love God. That's why I say his error was to insist that we love Jehovah, because Jehovah is accused of moral crimes that God is actually innocent of. He didn't say "Wait, you think G-d told Joshua to genocide the Canaanites??? Ewwww, no, that's not God." He said "why do you call me good, only God is good". But he was talking about the (fictitious) entity that ordered these murders, not God. It's a moral error.

Loving the Creator and loving the entity described in the OT are different moral commandments.

 

[metalhead]

I'm totally here for the paranoid gun nut misquoting Jesus out of context to support his violent fantasies.

 

[Farm Boy]

I don't deny that The Problem of Evil makes it harder to believe in God. I'd have to say that it's the major problem I have, despite having other reasons for being an atheist. But I'm not saying that Jesus wasn't pretty awesome. I like his Golden Rule. Lots. I don't even mind his commandment to love God. That's why I say his error was to insist that we love Jehovah, because Jehovah is accused of moral crimes that God is actually innocent of. He didn't say "Wait, you think G-d told Joshua to genocide the Canaanites??? Ewwww, no, that's not God." He said "why do you call me good, only God is good". But he was talking about the (fictitious) entity that ordered these murders, not God. It's a moral error.

Loving the Creator and loving the entity described in the OT are different moral commandments.

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?