Gunship tweak/development thread

[RED DIAMOND]

Can you attach the XML file with your gunship edits please RED DIAMOND?

I'd like to try those changes out, they sound like fun additions.

Here it is. Changes are in red

<UnitInfo>
			<Class>UNITCLASS_GUNSHIP</Class>
			<Type>UNIT_GUNSHIP</Type>
			<UniqueNames/>
			<Special>NONE</Special>
			<Capture>NONE</Capture>
			<Combat>UNITCOMBAT_HELICOPTER</Combat>
			[COLOR="darkred"]<Domain>NONE</Domain>[/COLOR]
			<DefaultUnitAI>UNITAI_ATTACK</DefaultUnitAI>
			<Invisible>NONE</Invisible>
			<SeeInvisible>NONE</SeeInvisible>
			<Description>TXT_KEY_UNIT_GUNSHIP</Description>
			<Civilopedia>TXT_KEY_UNIT_GUNSHIP_PEDIA</Civilopedia>
			<Strategy>TXT_KEY_UNIT_GUNSHIP_STRATEGY</Strategy>
			<Advisor>ADVISOR_MILITARY</Advisor>
			<bAnimal>0</bAnimal>
			<bFood>0</bFood>
			<bNoBadGoodies>0</bNoBadGoodies>
			<bOnlyDefensive>0</bOnlyDefensive>
			<bNoCapture>1</bNoCapture>
			<bRivalTerritory>0</bRivalTerritory>
			<bMilitaryHappiness>0</bMilitaryHappiness>
			<bMilitarySupport>1</bMilitarySupport>
			<bMilitaryProduction>1</bMilitaryProduction>
			<bPillage>1</bPillage>
			<bSabotage>0</bSabotage>
			<bDestroy>0</bDestroy>
			<bStealPlans>0</bStealPlans>
			<bInvestigate>0</bInvestigate>
			<bCounterSpy>0</bCounterSpy>
			<bFound>0</bFound>
			<bGoldenAge>0</bGoldenAge>
			<bInvisible>0</bInvisible>
			<bFirstStrikeImmune>0</bFirstStrikeImmune>
			<bNoDefensiveBonus>1</bNoDefensiveBonus>
			<bIgnoreBuildingDefense>1</bIgnoreBuildingDefense>
			<bCanMoveImpassable>0</bCanMoveImpassable>
			 <bFlatMovementCost>1</bFlatMovementCost>
		[COLOR="darkred"]<bIgnoreTerrainCost>1</bIgnoreTerrainCost>[/COLOR]
			<bNukeImmune>0</bNukeImmune>
			<bPrereqBonuses>0</bPrereqBonuses>
			<bPrereqReligion>0</bPrereqReligion>
			<bMechanized>1</bMechanized>
			<UnitClassUpgrades/>
			<UnitAIs>
				<UnitAI>
					<UnitAIType>UNITAI_ATTACK</UnitAIType>
					<bUnitAI>1</bUnitAI>
				</UnitAI>
				<UnitAI>
					<UnitAIType>UNITAI_PILLAGE</UnitAIType>
					<bUnitAI>1</bUnitAI>
				</UnitAI>
			</UnitAIs>
			<NotUnitAIs/>
			<Builds/>
			<ReligionSpreads/>
			<GreatPeoples/>
			<Buildings/>
			<ForceBuildings/>
			<HolyCity>NONE</HolyCity>
			<ReligionType>NONE</ReligionType>
			<StateReligion>NONE</StateReligion>
			<PrereqReligion>NONE</PrereqReligion>
			<PrereqBuilding>NONE</PrereqBuilding>
			<PrereqTech>TECH_ROCKETRY</PrereqTech>
			<TechTypes>
				<PrereqTech>TECH_FLIGHT</PrereqTech>
				<PrereqTech>NONE</PrereqTech>
				<PrereqTech>NONE</PrereqTech>
			</TechTypes>
			<BonusType>BONUS_OIL</BonusType>
			<PrereqBonuses/>
			<ProductionTraits/>
			<Flavors/>
			<iAIWeight>0</iAIWeight>
			<iCost>160</iCost>
			<iHurryCostModifier>0</iHurryCostModifier>
			<iMinAreaSize>-1</iMinAreaSize>
			<iMoves>4</iMoves>
			<iAirRange>0</iAirRange>
			<iNukeRange>-1</iNukeRange>
			<iWorkRate>0</iWorkRate>
			<iBaseDiscover>0</iBaseDiscover>
			<iDiscoverMultiplier>0</iDiscoverMultiplier>
			<iBaseHurry>0</iBaseHurry>
			<iHurryMultiplier>0</iHurryMultiplier>
			<iBaseTrade>0</iBaseTrade>
			<iTradeMultiplier>0</iTradeMultiplier>
			<iGreatWorkCulture>0</iGreatWorkCulture>
			<TerrainImpassables/>
			<FeatureImpassables/>
			<iCombat>20</iCombat>
			<iAirCombat>0</iAirCombat>
			[COLOR="darkred"]<iAirCombatLimit>100</iAirCombatLimit>[/COLOR]
			<iXPValueAttack>4</iXPValueAttack>
			<iXPValueDefense>2</iXPValueDefense>
			<iFirstStrikes>0</iFirstStrikes>
			<iChanceFirstStrikes>0</iChanceFirstStrikes>
			<iInterceptionProbability>0</iInterceptionProbability>
			<iEvasionProbability>0</iEvasionProbability>
			<iWithdrawalProb>25</iWithdrawalProb>
			<iCollateralDamage>0</iCollateralDamage>
			<iCollateralDamageLimit>0</iCollateralDamageLimit>
			<iCollateralDamageMaxUnits>0</iCollateralDamageMaxUnits>
			<iCityAttack>0</iCityAttack>
			<iCityDefense>0</iCityDefense>
			<iAnimalCombat>0</iAnimalCombat>
			<iHillsDefense>0</iHillsDefense>
			<TerrainNatives/>
			<FeatureNatives/>
			<TerrainDefenses/>
			<FeatureDefenses/>
			<UnitClassAttackMods/>
			<UnitClassDefenseMods/>
			<UnitCombatMods>
				<UnitCombatMod>
					<UnitCombatType>UNITCOMBAT_ARMOR</UnitCombatType>
					<iUnitCombatMod>100</iUnitCombatMod>
				</UnitCombatMod>
			</UnitCombatMods>
			<DomainMods/>
			<BonusProductionModifiers/>
			<iBombRate>0</iBombRate>
			<iBombardRate>0</iBombardRate>
			<SpecialCargo>NONE</SpecialCargo>
			[COLOR="darkred"]<DomainCargo>DOMAIN_LAND</DomainCargo>
			<iCargo>3</iCargo>[/COLOR]
			<iConscription>0</iConscription>
			<iCultureGarrison>10</iCultureGarrison>
			<iExtraCost>0</iExtraCost>
			<iAsset>5</iAsset>
			<iPower>20</iPower>
			<UnitMeshGroups>
				<iGroupSize>1</iGroupSize>
				<fMaxSpeed>1.75</fMaxSpeed>
				<iMeleeWaveSize>1</iMeleeWaveSize>
				<iRangedWaveSize>1</iRangedWaveSize>
				<UnitMeshGroup>
					<iRequired>1</iRequired>
					<EarlyArtDefineTag>ART_DEF_UNIT_GUNSHIP</EarlyArtDefineTag>
				</UnitMeshGroup>
			</UnitMeshGroups>
			<Button>,Art/Interface/Buttons/Units/Gunship.dds,Art/Interface/Buttons/Unit_Resource_Atlas.dds,5,10</Button>
			<HotKey/>
			<bAltDown>0</bAltDown>
			<bShiftDown>0</bShiftDown>
			<bCtrlDown>0</bCtrlDown>
			<iHotKeyPriority>0</iHotKeyPriority>
			<FreePromotions/>
		</UnitInfo>

 

[Runriot]

Here it is. Changes are in red

It would seem to me, that if you can designate a new domain, IE none, you could designate quite a few more.

With code similar to this, couldnt you mke a bomber that would carry 1,2, or 3 land units, and instead of 'bombing' the city, releases its cargo of land units around the city. Seems that a few simple changes would allow for paratroopers, though there wouldnt be any animations this way, it would still be functional

 

[Impaler[WrG]]

None is not a new Domain that Red Created, its simply the absence of any Domain, esentialy creating a unit which ignores all land/sea restriction. The downside is that the Chopper is going to have unlimited range able to cercumnavigate the whole planet if it wanted too. The AI will have a field day with that.

A possible fix giving all Copters a Promotion that causes them to loose say 20% health when not in friendly territory. A Bit like SMAC did this would force the Chopper to return to your territory after a few turns.

 

[DarthCycle]

I agree that gunship should be part of the air domain. However, doing so would inhibit the unit from receiving experience and promotions. So it's a choice between having a land gunship that gains experience, or an air gunship that doesn't.

Any of you know why the air units don't gain experience?

I checked in the UnitInfos.xml, the properties <iXPValueAttack>/<iXPValueDefense> for air units are set to 0. So it can't get any experience from combat. Also the property <Combat> is set to NONE. This inhibit an air unit from satisfying any of the promotion prerequisite in PromotionInfos.xml for <UnitCombatType>. So probably changing all of the above would make air unit gain experience. However, I wonder why civics that gives experience to all units won't give any to the air units...

 

[Dual]

Thanks for the file info RED DIAMOND. I'm going to play around with that later.

 

[RED DIAMOND]

It would seem to me, that if you can designate a new domain, IE none, you could designate quite a few more.

With code similar to this, couldnt you mke a bomber that would carry 1,2, or 3 land units, and instead of 'bombing' the city, releases its cargo of land units around the city. Seems that a few simple changes would allow for paratroopers, though there wouldnt be any animations this way, it would still be functional

Correct!! I have not fooled with an airplane transport yet, but I will today.

Concerning chopper range it just a simple trade off right now as a chopper can indeed hover over water IRL. However, with a 4 move it will take quite some time to get across most oceans even on Large maps not to mention Huge.

One of the things I will also look into is a low move strategic bomber and escort fighters that work off of this principle. I think it might be possible to create a different kind of Air to Air combat, we will see.

 

[RED DIAMOND]

I agree that gunship should be part of the air domain. However, doing so would inhibit the unit from receiving experience and promotions. So it's a choice between having a land gunship that gains experience, or an air gunship that doesn't.

Any of you know why the air units don't gain experience?

I checked in the UnitInfos.xml, the properties <iXPValueAttack>/<iXPValueDefense> for air units are set to 0. So it can't get any experience from combat. Also the property <Combat> is set to NONE. This inhibit an air unit from satisfying any of the promotion prerequisite in PromotionInfos.xml for <UnitCombatType>. So probably changing all of the above would make air unit gain experience. However, I wonder why civics that gives experience to all units won't give any to the air units...

Going to check into this as well. Good looking out.

 

[Dual]

Setting the domain to "none" is causing my units to get a ton of free experience as soon as they are created. Enough to buy 3 promotions.

Is anyone geting this? And has anyone found what other files to change to stop it?

 

[Runriot]

Correct!! I have not fooled with an airplane transport yet, but I will today.

One of the things I will also look into is a low move strategic bomber and escort fighters that work off of this principle. I think it might be possible to create a different kind of Air to Air combat, we will see.

Okay, see thats a freaking cool idea! A bomber that can "carry" its escorts (course its just setting them in air suppirority mode). While it would function in the game like a flying carrier, it would in essence represent fighters flying along with the bomber to intercept other fighters. Brilliance!

Also, keep us imformed on the paratrooping idea. I for one would like to see C47 models droping paratroop units in a WWII senario

 

[RED DIAMOND]

Ok I admit the work on the Early Religions Mod http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152085 has taken me away from this. However, the Choppers can already carry troops vietnam style to and fro. Modding the bomber to be a C47 was easy. How many troops/armor units should it carry?

BTW, the idea of a flying carrier was way further than I had envisioned. I suppose it could be done by giving the bomber the carrier ability of storing planes, but I'm not so keen on that kind of unit