Harvesting organs

[El_Machinae]

It's utterly horrid, honestly. And in a regime where having an opinion can get your thrown in jail makes it even scarier.

If we hurry up with stem cell research (maybe people should write local reps encouragin a loosening of local laws?), then eventually 'home grown' organs will be cheaper than harvesting them from people.

Science could make this horror stop, amazingly.

China is harvesting organs from live Falun Gong prisoners without consent and destroying their remains, says a report from a former Liberal MP and a Canadian human rights lawyer.
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Of the 60,000 organ transplants the China Medical Organ Transplant Association recorded between 2000 and 2005, 18,500 of those organs came from identifiable sources, said the report
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Kilgour pointed to an interview with the ex-wife of a Chinese surgeon who allegedly removed the corneas from 2,000 euthanized Falun Gong prisoners over a two-year period. All died and their bodies were burned, said the woman, who was not identified.

CBC

 

[Azash]

This article leaves too much open. The woman could be right, or she could be a Falun Gong extremist.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Whoa, wait, these folks were ALIVE?!

And just imagine, China is on the UN Human Rights Board. For shame.

 

[IglooDame]

I'm considerably more concerned about the alleged executions of the Falun Gong prisoners than the alleged organ removals from them.

 

[Keshik]

It's utterly horrid, honestly. And in a regime where having an opinion can get your thrown in jail makes it even scarier.

If we hurry up with stem cell research (maybe people should write local reps encouragin a loosening of local laws?), then eventually 'home grown' organs will be cheaper than harvesting them from people.

Science could make this horror stop, amazingly.



CBC

I can't believe your take on this has to do with stem cell research as if the Chinese authorities had no choice but to do this. Sometimes tongue-in-cheek comments don't appear that way in print. Please tell me you're not serious.

 

[El_Machinae]

As long as taking organs from prisoners is cheaper than growing your own, there will be a demand for organ theft.

The real trick to stopping this is to make the ethical alternative cheaper than the non-ethical ones. And the ethical options become cheaper as the technologies around them advance.

 

[Tulkas12]

As long as taking organs from prisoners is cheaper than growing your own, there will be a demand for organ theft.

The real trick to stopping this is to make the ethical alternative cheaper than the non-ethical ones. And the ethical options become cheaper as the technologies around them advance.

Only if you call those technologies ethical, which many do not.

 

[Rik Meleet]

On Wikipedia I found this remark, which is kinda morbid when thinking of harvesting organs.

Fǎlún dàfǎ; lit. "Great Law of the Wheel of Law") is a system of mind and body cultivation introduced by Li Hongzhi (surname is Li) to the public in 1992.

- I don't think they expected body cultivation to be taken literally.

 

[soul_warrior]

body part harvesting is, IMHO, acceptable.

some will always be poor, and some rich.
as such, some will ALWAYS draw the short end of the straw.
it isr egretable that people get robbed of thier internal organs, but that is how the world works.

 

[Tulkas12]

body part harvesting is, IMHO, acceptable.

some will always be poor, and some rich.
as such, some will ALWAYS draw the short end of the straw.
it isr egretable that people get robbed of thier internal organs, but that is how the world works.

Wow, darwinism to the extreme? Organ harvesting is against naturak human rights to live, so ummm yea, you're a sick puppy. Man, I thouhgt I was crazy.

 

[flipside]

body part harvesting is, IMHO, acceptable.

some will always be poor, and some rich.
as such, some will ALWAYS draw the short end of the straw.
it isr egretable that people get robbed of thier internal organs, but that is how the world works.

more capitalism than social darwinism.
ho hum.
pretty squalid but probably true.

 

[soul_warrior]

Wow, darwinism to the extreme? Organ harvesting is against naturak human rights to live, so ummm yea, you're a sick puppy. Man, I thouhgt I was crazy.

agreed.
i am sick
but i also consider myself quite intelligent.
and with a solidopinion about things.

some tell me im a bit more right-wing than hitler, orabit left than stalin.
most are right.
i consider myself a MIDDLE OF THE ROAD dude.
itruly wish for world wide equality.
i dislike people making too much money or living toohigh up the ladder.
but i alsoaccept the fact that life is NOT FAIR.

if you cant deal with it. get a bucket!

i did a LONG time ago.

i trust noone.
i believe EVERYONE will try to do it ontome, b4i do it onto them.

i AM lucky im not in a situation i have todonate an kidney, but i STILL BELIEVE that if thatis whati nee d to do. so be it.

 

[Tulkas12]

agreed.
i am sick
but i also consider myself quite intelligent.
and with a solidopinion about things.

some tell me im a bit more right-wing than hitler, orabit left than stalin.
most are right.
i consider myself a MIDDLE OF THE ROAD dude.
itruly wish for world wide equality.
i dislike people making too much money or living toohigh up the ladder.
but i alsoaccept the fact that life is NOT FAIR.

if you cant deal with it. get a bucket!

i did a LONG time ago.

i trust noone.
i believe EVERYONE will try to do it ontome, b4i do it onto them.

i AM lucky im not in a situation i have todonate an kidney, but i STILL BELIEVE that if thatis whati nee d to do. so be it.

So be it indeed.

 

[El_Machinae]

Only if you call those technologies ethical, which many do not.

You might be another person who thinks that stem cell research = aborting fetuses.

This is only a small subset of the entire research area, but the whole of the research is hindered because people assume the whole thing is awful.

There's a vast array of stem cell research that has nothing to do with aborting fetuses, and that array is certainly ethically acceptable.

And those technologies could cheapen, and reduce the benefits of organ farming, thus making this practice less desirable.

 

[Tulkas12]

You might be another person who thinks that stem cell research = aborting fetuses.

This is only a small subset of the entire research area, but the whole of the research is hindered because people assume the whole thing is awful.

There's a vast array of stem cell research that has nothing to do with aborting fetuses, and that array is certainly ethically acceptable.

And those technologies could cheapen, and reduce the benefits of organ farming, thus making this practice less desirable.

Yea, I'm really not all that clear on my opinions of the topic, just playing devil's advocate cause I see both sides as rational. Many countries are continuing the research are they not?

 

[ybbor]

As long as taking organs from prisoners is cheaper than growing your own, there will be a demand for organ theft.

of course, the Chinese were running low on corneas so they had no choice but to take them from fulan gong protestors. It's the only logical conclusion I can make: it must have been done solely for the organs, the fact that it was a group protesting the government is just a coincidence.

I agree with igloo: "I'm considerably more concerned about the alleged executions of the Falun Gong prisoners than the alleged organ removals from them."

The real tragedy here is that China is killing these people, not harvesting their organs.

 

[Dann]

On Wikipedia I found this remark, which is kinda morbid when thinking of harvesting organs.

Fǎlún dàfǎ; lit. "Great Law of the Wheel of Law") is a system of mind and body cultivation introduced by Li Hongzhi (surname is Li) to the public in 1992.

- I don't think they expected body cultivation to be taken literally.

Yes, yes I know... I'm one sick puppy...

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

It's utterly horrid, honestly. And in a regime where having an opinion can get your thrown in jail makes it even scarier.

I'm not sure how much of this is true. It sounds rather inflated. I've seen commercials that allege the same things. One thing which struck me as unbelievable was the claim "heart removed from prisoner, while still beating." Hearts aren't harvested while beating. They are arrested with cardioplegia and then harvested. It sounds like Falun Gong wanted to conjure up the image of an Aztec priest ripping the heart out of a sacrificial victim. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if this practice took place in disreputable regions such as China.

 

[Abaddon]

I dont see why we shouldnt take advantage of the poor and rape them for what we need...

 

[El_Machinae]

The real tragedy here is that China is killing these people, not harvesting their organs.

Maybe. Unless there's a coincidence that genetic matches to corrupt people end up receiving more death penalty convictions.

I'm not saying anything either way, but one of the authors of the report (Kilgour) is actually rather reputable in Canada.