Have Firaxis Abandoned BtS?

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Completely true, only a small portion of people who play probably know about Bhuric's patch.

I think that's why many are suggesting Firaxis just make that the official patch, (with Bhuric's permission) put that on their website and their automated updating system so that everyone can have access to it.
Actually, only a small portion of people even patch at all!

If only 10% of Civers know about this board and the Bhruic patch, I bet the number of people who patch Civ4 with the "official" patch probably aren't much higher then 15% (and that includes those that know of this board).

All this demand for an "official" patch doesn't change much in percentages... most people who bother to patch at all are usually the "power users" anyways. Those that don't know about this board probably wouldn't patch their copy beyond what's on the CD to begin-with.
 
Loose speculation on the number of people patching, official or unofficial, is quite shaky reasoning to suggest Firaxis should abandon the game in the state they left it in with 3.13.

Also, with the game having an ingame upgrade-function, I doubt 15% is accurate for active players. Just guessing of course, like everyone else.
 
Alexman did post a while back (must be at least a month ago) that there would be another patch at some point, but speedy and competant patching has really not been Firaxis' strong point recently.

Keep in mind that they're up to their eyeballs with Civ:Rev. They even had to postpone the Wii version as they don't have the manpower to work on all platforms at once. And making a final patch for a game that's at the end of it's development life is bound to be a very low priority for them. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a patch until after Civ: Rev is all done and sitting on the store shelves.
 
I learned my lesson after Civ II, and again, after Civ III. (I'm slow.) NEVER buy a Firaxis game until it has been out for a lonnnnnnng time. I finally did that with Civ 4.

Civ 1 was bad, too. And it was never really fixed properly. Sid is a really bad coder. Civ 2 and 3 were much better, when he left the coding to someone else. But for some reason, none of the Civ projects can release a stable product at the beginning.
 
I learned my lesson after Civ II, and again, after Civ III. (I'm slow.) NEVER buy a Firaxis game until it has been out for a lonnnnnnng time. I finally did that with Civ 4.
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Heh, Civ IV was actually pretty solid until the most recent BTS patch, I'd say. It was the only one that I actually had to roll back because I literally couldn't play the game after I patched it :p And rolling it back resulted in returning some really terrible gameplay bugs being re-introduced (size 20 city goes to size 5 in a matter of turns from one poisoned water on Marathon speed - an action that the CPU spammed on me!). Prior to BTS, I found every iteration of Civ IV quite playable though not always perfect. BTS dropped the ball in a big way - though the gameplay elements it introduced were great after the official AND Bhruic's patch.
 
Wolf-- That's fine for us. But Civ4 has sold about 1.5 million copies (possibly more; too lazy to do in-depth research, and wiki says 1.5 million). If just 10% of those bought BTS, that's 150,000 copies (which is probably underestimating BTS's sales). The people who read CFC are maybe 10% of that, and maybe a slim majority of those are comfortable/technically savvy enough to install the patch themselves.

In essence, then, the BTS experience is hopelessly buggy for at least 90% of players. That simply isn't good enough.

Don't want to be a hard ass here but in todays computer enviroment if someone can't figure out how to install a game patch (official or unofficial) they should probably box that computer back up and sell it.:mischief:
 
Just going to Answer the OP.

Bruic released the Unofficial Patch, so Fireaxis isn't being pushed to make a new patch. Solution? Download Brhuic's patch untill the patch is released in 2-5 months.

And even if Fireaxis DOES make a new patch, there just going to take Brhuics patch and edit it a bit then release it.
 
Don't want to be a hard ass here but in todays computer enviroment if someone can't figure out how to install a game patch (official or unofficial) they should probably box that computer back up and sell it.:mischief:

I know a few mechanics (my Papa knew plenty, being a technically oriented person himself) who would tell you something quite similar about a car... Yet plenty of intelligent, capable, successful people can't change a flat tire. Does this mean they should stop using cars? In academia, I know plenty of people who don't know to use a computer for anything but word processing - many of these people are internationally published and acclaimed scholars and writers of other sorts. I can tell you, many of them wouldn't have a hope in hell of doing what Bhruic's patch required, or solving the "out of sync" error that came with 3.13. Should they be using typewriters - just too stupid to use a computer up to your standards?

A computer is a tool, and there are people specialized in taking care of such tools. In the society we live in, with the division of labour being a fundamental part of its organization, it's pure hubris and snobbery to say "Well if you can't perform said task, maybe you shouldn't use the object associated with it at all!" No one is telling you to stop using vanilla because you can't grow the beans, stop drinking milk because you can neither raise nor milk a cow, nor to stop driving a car because you can't change a fan belt (suppositions on my part - you can tailor such examples to just about anyone). Get over yourself and recognize that a computer is a tool, and there are people specialized to take care of them, and people who devote their time and intelligence to other areas.

Sorry to be a hard ass. Well, not really... As a person who builds his own computers (not a great feat, but I'm not illiterate) I've never particularly enjoyed the pompous attitude concerning computer literacy that a huge portion of the PC gaming community holds.
 
That's what AAA is for, so I don't have to change the tire. I don't change my own oil either, that's what jiffy lube is for. I don't build computer either. Microsoft is more than happy to keep your word processor updated for you. Never got the "out of sync" error using 3.13.

I buy my vanilla beans and milk at the store, that's what it's for.

Maybe that 90%, and I think that's an incredibly high estimate, need to get someone to install that patch for them. If you are playing games on a computer it is no longer a tool but just an expensive toy.

Speaking of pompous attitudes did you read your own post?
 
That's what AAA is for, so I don't have to change the tire. I don't change my own oil either, that's what jiffy lube is for. I don't build computer either. Microsoft is more than happy to keep your word processor updated for you. Never got the "out of sync" error using 3.13.

I buy my vanilla beans and milk at the store, that's what it's for.

Maybe that 90%, and I think that's an incredibly high estimate, need to get someone to install that patch for them. If you are playing games on a computer it is no longer a tool but just an expensive toy.

Speaking of pompous attitudes did you read your own post?

Oh yes, I reviewed it. Fire with fire seemed appropriate, since you didn't spare on the derision in your first demeaning post.

Don't bother attacking the specific cases. We'll end up in an endless "ok, then look at this case" and you'll say "Oh, but this organization fixes this for me!" I suppose if your car breaks down on vacation, it's just an expensive toy rather than a functional tool, and therefore you should be expected to fix it rather than calling AAA? Of if you're adding that vanilla to a dessert rather than a necessary food stuff, it then becomes a luxury (IE - analogous to toy) and therefore you shouldn't be able to buy it at the store? Come on, just because a computer is used as a toy, there is no reason other than the view you have from a high horse to tell someone they should consider not using a computer.

Computers are tools, and like many other everyday tools, two things are true of them. A majority of their users don't know how the nuts and bolts work, and there are trained professionals who do that handle those nuts and bolts. In many of those cases, a third group of snobs sit there and say "ho ho ho! Look at all those idiots who don't know how to perform action X - they're so dull, they shouldn't even be allowed to use the item!" Your first post strongly suggest you land firmly in that third group.

Bottom line, every day millions of intelligent, capable people use tools for work and leisure. Many, many others upkeep those items. This is a norm of society. Why suggest "they should probably box that computer back up and sell it" just because they don't know the nuts and bolts of its workings in this case? Again, get over yourself.
 
its a joke son, just a joke.
 
argue all you want. that's what the little face at the end is for. you know, a little mischief. you need to get over yourself. life is way to short to take this crap seriously. by the way, "its a joke son" was also just a joke.

i'll make the arguement that you need to get a sense of humor - eh? from canada are we?

unless you're paid for play testing, if you are playing games on a computer it is just a toy.

no offense meant to my canadian freinds, but since most of them have a sense of humor they probably just laughed.:crazyeye:
 
If there was an obvious bug in a Blizzard game, it would still be in alpha testing.

ROFLMAO. :lol:

That is one of the funniest things I've read all day. Have you looked a Blizzard patch changelist?
 
no kidding there. the patch list for WOW is almost as long as the the security update list for windows
 
argue all you want. that's what the little face at the end is for. you know, a little mischief. you need to get over yourself. life is way to short to take this crap seriously. by the way, "its a joke son" was also just a joke.

i'll make the arguement that you need to get a sense of humor - eh? :crazyeye:
This arguement is none of my business, but I just can't help commenting that this kind of passive-aggressive attitude that you see so oftne on the internet -- leading to proclamations along the lines of "it's OK to give you any slight or insult I want, jsut as long as I type a smilie face after it!" or "if I attack you somehow and state your offended, it only validates you deserve my criticism & gives me license to pile more on you" -- is one giant load of cow dung. Learn some manners, sir, stop being so snarky. We've all seen that crap, many times. No one is impressed, or amused.

About the issue of the patch itslef ... yes it does seem a bit overdue. But thank god we have bhruic to make the wait less painful!
 
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