He-177

Wolfshanze said:
Ooooh... name-calling. Now I'm offended. :rolleyes:

What happened to the perfect sterile world where everyone agreed on everything and nobody said a single word to offend anyone else? Ambreville didn't even make it out of an hour before he started going around being offensive and name-calling.

Well, to be perfectly honest... I forgive you Ambreville... because I have a skin made-up of something thicker then tissue paper... and even though you used offensive language towards me, I realize you are a human being with a differant opinion and outlook on the world then I have...

I spent 20-years of my life in the military defending your right to have a differant opinion then mine.

And you know what? I'm okay with that. I'm not offended at all... differances are what makes the world interesting. It'd be pretty boring if everyone just agreed with everyone else.
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You know what, your arguments are sinking pretty low. I'll ignore the rest of this thread. Feel free to PM me if you feel the urge.

Nuf said.
 
Ambreville said:
Offensive jokes are just that... OFFENSIVE. You should know better than going around and making the kinds of jokes you know full well will spark arguments. Not to mention your feeble excuse comes off as totally hypocritical. Why don't you try and make a racial joke and claim it was "just a joke"? Do you truly believe an excuse like this one is acceptable? Who are you trying to fool? Your joke is unacceptable. It's not those whom you offend who should take your insults gracefully, it's you who should learn some manners.
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Oh boy, whether a joke is offensive or not is always in the eye of the beholder. There are jokes you find offensive and I do not and vice versa.

Some people are offended by jokes / caricatures about Mohammed, others by ones about the Pope, yet others apparently by ones about the french military. Me, I am not offended by pretty much all jokes, there are plenty I just do not find that funny though.

If everyone would always try to not offend everybody else, no jokes at all could be told anymore.

I like that magazine cover :D

In any case, I am sure no offense was meant and everybody should just see them for what they are, jokes, not insults.
 
mamba said:
In any case, I am sure no offense was meant and everybody should just see them for what they are, jokes, not insults.
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When no offense was meant -- but was caused indeed -- one should at least drop the issue when it is pointed out to them.
 
Man you guys need to get a life... hours later you're still obsessed... good thing you can ignore all the repetitive stupidity about the French military that caused the joke about the French military in the first place.

You guys are obsessive compulsive about being offended over the dumbest things... really... if you guys get this worked up over a stupid French joke (a whopping two jokes) you guys really... I mean really have no life... I don't know how either of you will make it through life if you're this obsessed hours later over two jokes that happened six hours ago.

Let it go... really... life isn't worth getting this obsessed over a stupid joke. How old are you guys... you must have led sheltered lives if this offends you two so much... never been dumped by a girl? Never lost a job? Never been burglarized?

Ambreville said:
I'll ignore the rest of this thread. Feel free to PM me if you feel the urge.
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Obviously not...

You two are both waaaaaaaaay too traumitzed over this and are really attention whores over this whole thing... Seek help.
 
troytheface said:
the only ship to conquer an island in 15 minutes- a feat that took americans weeks and a million ships to do - guam
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Well, the Surcouf wasn't leading an invasion force against a few thousand dug-in Japanese soldiers either. I doubt the French would have faired any better.

arithegreat said:
Great plane with maybe the best WW2 plane when it had the Henschel Hs 293 on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_Hs_293
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The He-177 wasn't all that great a plane. The coupled-together engines were a constant source of fire problems, and it suffered further from insufficient fire walls in the wings that allowed fires to spread rapidly. There was a reason it was nicknamed Reichsfeuerzeug (Cigarette Lighter of the Reich) by the crew. The engines were also complicated and tightly packed together, causing many parts to suffer from insufficient lubrication. For such a large aircraft, the defense armament was pitiful. They were extremely heavy, had very high wing loads, and for all the aircraft's weight carried a rather small bomb load. This was primarily because it was insisted that the frame be stressed for dive-bombing. It was, however, the only true long range bomber the Germans had in number during WWII. The FW-200 Condor was good as a commerce ship raider, but there were only 38 of them and they weren't terribly effective against ground targets where there would likely be fighter defenses.
 
Yeah... the aptly-named "Grief" wasn't all that great a plane... operationally, it was a failure.

Still a nice model though.
 
"...I doubt the French would have fared any better"

That is a huge assumption. The ship was heading to the Pacific.
Had it stopped by and picked up the Foreign Legion -who defeated the Nazi's in Norway and the illusterious Rommel in Africa- and Marie-Pierre Koenig - and had the Americans equiped the vessel with a Wildcat with pontoons they could have probably taken guam in a day by barraging and then secret underwater cruiser marine assault.
 
troytheface said:
The ship was heading to the Pacific.
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Well until it managed to permanently submerge itself... nice one there... apparently wasn't so super after-all.
 
lol, but that is not confirmed. There are multiple theories one of which proceeded into the modern era with Jacques Cousteau.
My new theory is that everyone was terrified of its implications- even allies wouldn't give it radar, the Germans begged to have thier u-boats refuelled,
the Japanese afraid that by merely flying its colors it would evoke island capitulation. Or maybe the Bermuda triangle story is true.
 
troytheface said:
"...I doubt the French would have fared any better"

That is a huge assumption. The ship was heading to the Pacific.
Had it stopped by and picked up the 13th Demi-Brigade -who defeated the Nazi's in Norway and the illusterious Rommel in Africa- and Marie-Pierre Koenig - and had the Americans equiped the vessel with a Wildcat with pontoons they could have probably taken guam in a day by barraging and then secret underwater cruiser marine assault.
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Barrages showed to be ineffective against the Japanese on more than one occasion. Tarawa and Iwo Jima are good examples of times where heavy shelling didn't do a whole lot of good. They always tended to dig tunnels and build heavily fortified bunkers with very thick concrete roofs that were often halfway into the ground.
And how do you perform an underwater assault? You have to come ashore at some point, and you have to have vessels that can actually get the men to the shore (subs can't go into water that shallow, man). I don't suppose the French had some secret underwater version of the Higgin's boat, did they? Otherwise they'd still need a surface ship to land a few thousand men, which would negate the whole "underwater" thing. The Wildcat was an "old bucket," lucky to get 350mph in a dive. The Zero could beat that in level flight. Put pontoons on the thing and it gets even worse. Even the most inexperienced Zero pilot would have been flying circles around that aircraft.
 
^^ was it not about the puerto-rican, the jew and the blackman who found themselves on a plane with no parachutes? :hammer2: :joke:
 
dutchking said:
Nope... I'm about to make another one which I would like it not to be hijacked, thank you very much. :p
and LOL bernie. ;)
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The best way to not have a thread Hijacked is to start it with the model of a Martin B-10 bomber!
 
troytheface said:
lol, but that is not confirmed. There are multiple theories one of which proceeded into the modern era with Jacques Cousteau.
My new theory is that everyone was terrified of its implications- even allies wouldn't give it radar, the Germans begged to have thier u-boats refuelled,
the Japanese afraid that by merely flying its colors it would evoke island capitulation. Or maybe the Bermuda triangle story is true.
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Well, it was heading for the Pacific and sank, had it not sank it would need to have appeared someplace by now. So just what theory explains that the ship did not sink but yet was never seen again, short of some Bermuda triangle crap ?
 
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