Healing rates

[beorn]

Just an idea -- maybe the races' heal rates should not be equal. Elves are just basically more frail than dwarves and orcs.

 

[TheGreenLink]

Umm sounds like an interesting idea to me. In my opinion, undead for example, should heal faster than most units (with my luck they already do and I havent noticed).

 

[BeefontheBone]

Easy enough to do by adding the appropriate modifiers to the racial promotions, if you want to try it out.

 

[brainpan]

Sounds like a good idea. Such a change would add some nice flavor to the whole races aspect of the game. I wonder, though, if such a change would only lead to more complaints about balance.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Why are elves more frail? They are usually considered immortal (or at least close to it).

 

[[NWO]_Valis]

Umm sounds like an interesting idea to me. In my opinion, undead for example, should heal faster than most units (with my luck they already do and I havent noticed).

It is now that undead heal slower, or at least the diesesed corpse does [cause it is diesesed of course )

Why are elves more frail? They are usually considered immortal (or at least close to it).

Exacly what I was thinking. If someone should heal faster then it should be orcs. Dwarfs could take less damage due to their stamina and the extra armour that is given by their beard

 

[beorn]

Why are elves more frail? They are usually considered immortal (or at least close to it).

Elves live for hundreds of years - asuming they don't suffers from an arrow or a blade in the gut... But long life span says little about recovery from war wounds. (At least in my imagination )

More to the point, I think many people are finding the elves a little overpowered, and thus are looking for a way to tone them down. I am sorry to see this take the form of nerfing their distinctive strengths -- I would much rather see this accomplished through a distinctive weakness.

Just my opinion, though.

 

[katika]

Personally, I don't think that the elves are overpowered, especially with agriculture the way it is. Even if they were, lowering their healing rate wouldn't do much. The elves really start to become strong with Priests to bloom and once they get their cottages/ancient forests set up. By that point, they can get Medic I/II units to counter any healing penalty. So the only effect that would have would be to make them weaker against an early rush, which they already are without a starting warrior.

For the flavor, I've always thought of elves as masters of herbs for healing and no more frail than humans. So, I really don't think it would make sense even if it would help something.

 

[kenken244]

maybe make elves heal 5 % slower but have a unique herbalist building that heals units in the city 5% more than normal?

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Also, I believe that elves are usually thought of as masters of healing, even though no diseases ever effect them (according to Tolkien). I was about to suggest making them immune to disease yet frail, but then I remembered that the half-elven hero's father died of a minor stomach illness.

 

[Grey Fox]

Remember, the healing rate isn't actually a %, even if it says so. It's an actual HP amount per turn. 10% Heal rate which is the base, is actually +10 HP per turn.

+20% more isn't actually 20% of your damage, or 20% of your heal rate, but another +20 HP per turn (no matter how damaged you are).

 

[kenken244]

since every unit has 100 hp it can be represented as bolth a number and a precent

 

[Grey Fox]

Yeah, but Im trying to make another point also, +20% isn't 20% increase of your healrate but 20 %-units more heal rate.

So, base healrate 10%, in a city with a priest with +20% healrate on all other units, a herbalist which is +10%, an Inn +25%, Infirmary +25% healrate. Thats 90% healrate, and I think the healrate base is higher than 10% in cities. But disregarding that, this isn't +90% of your base healrate which would be a total +19 HP, this is +90 HP. So this is why disease, plague, etc can become so important when sieging.

 

[Rex rgis of Ter]

I always thought elves were uber strong, LotR, eragon, etc. Elves are awesome fighters!

 

[thomas.berubeg]

in LOTR elves aren't too strong... they have great endurance, and immunity to disease, but aren't any stonger than humans. (just mire skilled,with the years of practice)

 

[MagisterCultuum]

I used to think of them as slightly stronger, but when I read the Simarilion there was one line that seemed to imply that as far as brute strength goes,mortal men have a slight advantage. They would have millennia (or at least several centuries) of experience.

Somehow I find it hard to imagine an elf actually being weak or out of shape. Physical fitness without the need of exercise seem like a natural part of their eternal youth and health.

 

[Darksaber1]

Elves are weaker then men in LOTR, but are much faster and more adjile, so they are harder to hit, and can hit a man twice for ever one blow he gives. Their wepons are curved to acomadate their reflexes and speed.

 

[Tarendelcymir]

Here's a couple of relevant quotes, if we're talking about Tolkien's Elves:

(From the Silmarillion)

"In those days, Elves and Men were of like stature and strength of body, but the Elves had greater wisdom and skill, and beauty; and those who had dwelt in Valinor and looked upon the Powers as much surpassed the Dark Elves in these things and they in turn surpassed the people of mortal races."

Also;

"Immortal were the Elves, and their wisdom waxed from age to age, and no sickness nor pestilence brought death to them. Their bodies indeed were the stuff of Earth, and could be destroyed; and in those days they were more like to the bodies of Men, since they had not so long been inhabited by the fire of their spirit, which consumes them from within in the courses of time. But Men were more frail, more easily slain by weapon or mischance, and less easily healed; subject to sickness and many ills; and they grew old and died."

 

[smjjames]

Also, I believe that elves are usually thought of as masters of healing, even though no diseases ever effect them (according to Tolkien). I was about to suggest making them immune to disease yet frail, but then I remembered that the half-elven hero's father died of a minor stomach illness.

It's entirely possible that the stomach illnes is normally minor for the human villagers and the illness was something that the Elves had not encountered before. Same thing with smallpox and the native americans, although smallpox is a way more serious disease. It's also possible that it was a particularily nasty strain of it, or he didn't die from the disease itself, but from complications that were caused by the disease.

Still, you would think Elven healing techniques could have saved him, unless he didn't have access to it at that time.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

I'd probably say that a great deal of the superior health may be due to much better sanitation. Being cleaner wouldn't give diseases a chance to spread in their communities and would lead to longer healthier lives, but it would also mean that their immune systems wouldn't have a chance to build up immunity. Native American societies were much more sanitary than Europe of the time, which helped lead to their rapid collapse.