Hellenistic Times Scenario

[Takhisis]

Hm, i am not sure if "hoplon" was the name of a special type of shield. But the basic word for shield is "Aspis". And (how convenient) argyraspid= argyro+ aspis= silver shield

which is why his hoplite has a silver shield

btw the original word is:
singular: argyraspis
plural: argyraspides

That makes me wonder…
In Rome: Total War, apart from the Seleucid Argyraspid Legionnaires and the Argyraspid Pikemen, there are Ponto´s Bronze Shields (phalanx). Does that mean that the shields´material had some kind of special importance?

 

[Kyriakos]

Probably the others didnt use shields made of bronze that much, but ones made of iron. And the 'psiloi' were at best armed with wooden shields (if they were carrying shields at all). Bronze weapons are more ancient than iron ones; however perhaps in Pontos there were local bronze deposits, but they had to import iron, in which case they preffered to be able to maintain an army without relying on trade-partners. Just a guess

That area is mostly made of mountains anyway, so they probably didnt field large armies.

 

[Takhisis]

Is it worth it to have copper (for bronze-made weaponry) as a resource?
Perhaps the more basic or barbaric units would need bronze instead of iron, which should be used for the elite and later units.
Should all ships require Timber, or should only the most advanced combat/transport vessels need it?
I´ve also thought of having a "Taxes convoy" unit, which would be marked as flag unit and give a small amount of Victory Points, perhaps 100-250. it would be produced at Gold Mines, Silver Mines, Trade Routes, etc, and should be taken to your capital. Is this just a mad idea of mine or does it make some sense?
If anyone comes up with any ideas, say them.

 

[Takhisis]

i meant to post what i posted in another thread
(deleted post)

Aaaaaaaaah, that´s why I didn´t understand anything about what you said in that post.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Is it worth it to have copper (for bronze-made weaponry) as a resource?
Perhaps the more basic or barbaric units would need bronze instead of iron, which should be used for the elite and later units.

Perhaps, but in ancient times the key resource in Bronze was Tin. Copper was relatively common and easy to acquire, whilst tin had to be important from distant places in Iran, Central Asia, or southern Britain.

Should all ships require Timber, or should only the most advanced combat/transport vessels need it?

You could have a weak little ship which doesn't require it, and have all the decent stuff need it. But it comes down to game balance at the end of the day. It would not be a good idea to punish civs without access to timber without reason.

I´ve also thought of having a "Taxes convoy" unit, which would be marked as flag unit and give a small amount of Victory Points, perhaps 100-250. it would be produced at Gold Mines, Silver Mines, Trade Routes, etc, and should be taken to your capital. Is this just a mad idea of mine or does it make some sense?

Depends if it would work, and if the AI would use it.

 

[Takhisis]

Well then, I´ll put Tin instead of Copper. Where should I put it?

I´ll make certain there are some half-decent ships without any resources, but the real cracks (Quinqueremes; catapult Triremes -this one has Bombard ability but is slightly weaker than the former-; etc) will need Timber, found at Phoenicia, up the Nile, somewhere in Asia/Mesopotamia and in Greece.
The elite navy will be available only for Greece, the Ptolemaic Empire, the Seleucid Empire, and, as I think about it, nobody else, ´cause the others had mainly land armies.

I don´t know about the taxes, but it should work as the Treasure in Firaxis´ Age of Discovery, or the Holy Relic in Middle Ages (I´ve captured the French & English Holy Relics with my Dane berserks ), as long as I set it on "Reverse Capture the Flag".

What does it mean when a unit is marked with the flag "Requires Escort", by the way?

 

[Takhisis]

Really, I need some help about the tech tree. I´m thinking of putting two eras, a basic one and an advanced one.

But first I´ll have to repair Conquests. It seems that I´ve managed to erase and/or rename half (or more) of the units animations of the original game . Result: the game doesn´t work.

Wish me luck!

 

[The Last Conformist]

Really, I need some help about the tech tree. I´m thinking of putting two eras, a basic one and an advanced one.

But first I´ll have to repair Conquests. It seems that I´ve managed to erase and/or rename half (or more) of the units animations of the original game . Result: the game doesn´t work.

Wish me luck!

I'd recommend a clean install.

 

[Takhisis]

I'd recommend a clean install.

Yeah, that´s what I did.
I have the original Civ3 in Spanish and I had installed Conquests (in Spanish).
A few days ago, I managed to get hold of a Patch that said it only worked with Conquests in English. I reinstalled Conquests in English, tried it, and mayhem broke.
Anybody got a clue?

 

[Takhisis]

YEAH! I finally found a way around it! All I have to do is rename the old files´ folders and .ini files and it will be all right! I´ll do it on Friday, thus reasserting my title of "Couch Potato". Even so, I´m not much of a couch potato, my maximum was seven-eight hours non-stop.

 

[Takhisis]

Well, I finally managed to re-install this f***ing game and I promis that, by next Sunday, I´ll have the basic landscape done.

Anybody got any of the m-units I requested earlier?

 

[aaglo]

Look at my sig (my units), there are some ships included that might interest you: (greek trireme, phoenician bireme, war transport, siege quinquereme).
About other units: kinboat, utahjazz and kryte have made a lot of units that would fit in your scenario. There's also a lot of stuff from other guys too. Have you checked the unit library and the creator library in the units -subforum?

 

[Takhisis]

Have you checked the unit library and the creator library in the units -subforum?

No, I haven´t checked it except the Munits forum, where I didn´t find anything worth downloading for this mod.
Don´t take it badly, but that Siege Quinquereme is anything but historical or practical. Nobody would put a Siege Tower on top of a ship. The other ships are fine. I´ll start downloading them right away.
btw your Siege Tower´s really good, so I think i´ll use it in HTS.

 

[jobiwan7]

Aaglo's siege quinquereme is historically accurate. They were very useful for blockades.

 

[Takhisis]

Really? When were they used?
btw varwnos is uncntactable since his PM box is full. Any other way of reaching him?

 

[Kyriakos]

preferably i can be reached by sending some $$$ in this bank account:


or you can try pming me again, i emptied the pm box now

 

[Takhisis]

Well, I started half an hour ago and I´m making Thrace. It looks pretty good. I think I´ll be able able to have the map by Sunday night if I keep it at this pace.

 

[Kyriakos]

ok, as you requested, here are the greek names for those units:

Land units
Three Light Greek Cavalrymen-->Three Heitaroi-->Three Heavy Cataphracts (not AOE, please)

greek name (in the future i will use the abreviation GN for this) : Prodromoi---> Hetairoi (or Etairoi) ---> Kataphraktoi

A Phalanx of Six Hoplites-->A Phalanx of Six Heavy Hoplites-->A Phalanx of Six Spartan Hoplites

GN: Phalanx (surprise ) ---> Omoioi Phalanx (spartan)

A Phalanx of Six Mercenary Hoplites
A Phalanx of Six Macedonian/Seleucid Sarissophoroi (Pikemen)-->A Phalanx of Six Macedonian Royal Sarissophoroi (Pikemen)

GN: Sarissophoroi is fine. I think that the "pezetairoi" (which means foot companions) is a good name for one of the sarissophoroi strong units.

Thracian Horde (Thracian Mercenaries also)
Two War Elephants-->Two Armored War Elephants
Egyptian Pharaonic Guards
Egyptian Light Cavalrymen
Rodian Slingers (Mercenary) GN: peltastai (it means peltasts)
Naval units
Bireme-->Trireme-->Tetrareme-->Quinquereme GN: dieires is bireme, and trieires is trireme, but i am not aware of a greek name for the other two (it doesnt mean that it doesnt exist)
Catapult Tetrareme-->Catapult heptere
Transport Galley GN: Galley is 'Galera', but i am not 100% sure that it was called than in ancient greek too.

Peltasts
Heavy Peltasts (GN peltastai, as was already mentioned)
Three Cretan Archers (Mercenary) GN: mercenary is 'misthophoroi' in plural, and 'misthophoros' in singular. It comes from misthos (salary) and phero (hold, possess). Just like sarissophoroi means to hold sarissai Cretan in greek is Kretai
Three Greek Archers GN:Archers= toksotai
Three Mid-Eastern Archers
Three Camel Cataphracts (for Parthia, the Parthians were the only ones mad enough to put such an amount of armor onto a camel)
Three Camel Spearmen

as for the wonders of the greek world:
Colossus of Rhodes= Kolossos. Rhodes= Rodos in greek
Library of Alexandria= Bibliotheke (it means library)
Mausoleum= Mausoleion

that is all i think

 

[Takhisis]

Galley is 'Galera'

In byzantine Greek, Galley is "Galea".

Etairoi (hetairoi) is a greek word, it means "companions".

In Ionian (Athenian) Greek, "hetaira" means a high-class prostitute or "companion-girl".

 

[Takhisis]

I´ve already done 2/3 of Anatolia, and Pinktilapia has accepted my use of all the material in RFRE? Isn´t that wonderful?
@varwnos: What do you call Hoplites, Heavy Hoplites, and Slingers?
@The Last Conformist: you who are the resource-man, has anyone made a Camels resource?