Heroic Epic/Generals/Armies Questions

[Napalm_Night_49]

Hi, I've read up on this and I still can't seem to spawn a General or receive the chance to build the Heroic Epic. Now I was playing as the Germans and had an Elite Panzer that I was pretty much blitzing threw anything and everything(IMO if this was really life the commander would have had like 5 Medals Of Honor). Anyways nothing ever popped up saying there was a General or I could build the wonder. I was playing a random map with a Space race only victory(ended up running out of time) with Scientific leaders on for other rules. Is receiving a General, etc.. a game mode specific entity or is it for the whole game itself. Also I have the Steam/Valve edition of CIV3 complete if that has anything to do with it. Any help is appreciated guys, I just want to build some Armies

 

[vmxa]

I am nt aware of any options that would prevent MGL's. There is one in C3C for SGL. If not C3C then there is only one type of leader and no option to turn off.

Leaders are generated by having an elite unit win a battle. It is a 1/12 or 1/16 odds. In my current game I have gone something like 40 elite wins with no leader, but on average I am get one every 12. I have 52 so far in well over 600 elite wins.

The HE increases the chances, but you have to already have an army and it has to win a battle to allow construction. As it turns out I am play Germany, but have not gotten Panzers yet.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

What you want is to have a bunch of elite units attacking a lot each turn. You will eventually get one, but it can take awhile.

 

[Spoonwood]

I had a game recently where I know I had more than 20 elite victories without my first leader, and I suspect it went as high as 30 elite victories if not as high as 40 elite victories. It can take a while. I've spawned an MGL on my first elite victory also, but there isn't much more that you can do but keep attacking with elites. Multiple elites attacking on the same turn doesn't change the probability of getting an elite during any battle, but it does give you more battles where you've fought with elites.

 

[Napalm_Night_49]

Ok I'll try and group a bunch of elites together. Also does it depend on the period your in as to when they spawn? Cause I usually dont start any wars until the late medieval/early industrial. Thanks for the quick responses

 

[Spoonwood]

As far as we know, it doesn't.

 

[Napalm_Night_49]

I really guess its just the luck of the draw. After I submitted the last post I went back to that game and within the first 3-5 moves "POOF" General thanks guys, I really love steam rolling the enemy with supreme firepower with a Army of 3 Tanks/Panzers/ Modern Armour

 

[vmxa]

Get three armies and then make the Pentagon. You can then add a 4th units.

 

[GamezRule]

Also, try to pick easy prey for you're elite battles, bombard them down to 1hp if possible.

 

[Spoonwood]

Also, try to pick easy prey for you're elite battles, bombard them down to 1hp if possible.

That's GOOD advice.

Please don't mistake this advice though for an indication that it changes the probability of an elite spawning a leader. It does *not*. It does however increase the probability of the elite winning the battle it fights, so on average it makes leaders easier to spawn by making it easier to have more battles with elites.

 

[vmxa]

An extra factor fighting weak units is that your elites will tend to get less damage and can back into battle sooner. Cav killing LB may take no damage, killing a rifle (if it does) likely to be on the mend for awhile.

I will use that 4/5 cav on a LB at times, so it did not ahve to heal. Had it dropped to 2/5 it is out of action for a few turns. BTW as I posted anupdate I see I had run to 44 elite wins to get a leader, so at least twice so far it took over 40 elite wins to get a leader.

 

[GamezRule]

I think the longest I ever had to wait for a leader was when I went a whole game and never saw one. I ended up winning diplomatically, but I did have a couple wars. I must of mustered about 35 elite victory's during the game. After I won, I decided to keep playing and build up, to enjoy some modern warfare. I probably had about 30 more elite wins, and I finally got an MGL at the end of the final war with about 3 enemy cities left. I didn't have much of an opportunity to fight my elites, though, because I was taking about 15 cities a turn. Radar artillery is powerful. Better then bombers, because no combat settlers are needed, all you have to do is move it one square into the enemy's turf, and bomb's away. Modern armor almost never loses then, even to Mech's. I probably lost a unit every other turn, if that. Lethal bombardment helped, but I didn't use a lot of bombers. Maybe only a couple of cities got the Bomber treatment.

 

[darski]

I admit that I have the worst RNG luck of anyone I know but I just find that elites are a bunch of pansies. They die faster than those stupid Egyptian war chariots. I have had an elite cav (full strength) lose to a red-lined reg spear. Elites just cannot seem to win for me that often.

I finally gave up and made HE available to build with Literature and it produces a leader for me. I can literally go for 5 or 6 games and never get a leader from an elite. (should they live) I most often win by domination or at least own my continent so it is not that I don't fight often.

 

[vmxa]

You just need to get your mojo working. In the long run it will average out to the norm.

 

[GamezRule]

Darski, you're RNG luck is so bad, you may need to reinstall the game. Actually, I wonder if map size can affect probability.

 

[darski]

You just need to get your mojo working. In the long run it will average out to the norm.

Ok... been waiting 7 years...

When do you think it might change?

 

[vmxa]

Someone has to be responsible for the std deviation by doing less than the norm and I would not want to have the task as I prefer getting lots of leaders. lol

 

[darski]

Someone has to be responsible for the std deviation by doing less than the norm and I would not want to have the task as I prefer getting lots of leaders. lol

I heartily agree with you ... just sorry that I drew the short straw.

 

[ChaosArbiter]

Darski, you're RNG luck is so bad, you may need to reinstall the game. Actually, I wonder if map size can affect probability.

It might ... I know I'm always wondering at how you people can manage to get so many leaders (like darski, I tend to not get many/any/RNG-godsawful-luck), but I do play on Huge maps, which I don't think is the norm.

 

[vmxa]

Never heard any impact by map. I have played on Std, Large, huge and 180x180 to 363x362. It is mainly a function of of elite victories.

In the leader fest I have 636 elite wins and 52 leaders. That is 12.2 ratio which matches nicely the 1/12 listed. Strings of no leader for over 30 were common and a couple over 40.

If you play a std map and a more or less peaceful game without endless wars, you may well have only a dozen or so elite wins. Certainly can go a whole game with less than 40. So few or no leaders is par I would think.

I recall vanilla games barely getting a leader the whole game. It was the play style that caused it.