Heroic Epic & Militaristic Civs

[dojoboy]

If the Heroic Epic increases a non-militaristic civ's chances for a GL from 1/16 to 1/12, then does it increase a militaristic civ's chances from 1/12 to 1/8?

If not, then why build the Heroic Epic when you're playing a militaristic civ? For the culture point?

 

[Catt]

The odds of leader generation for ALL civs, militaristic or not, is 1/16 without the Heroic Epic and 1/12 with the Heroic Epic.

The "militaristic" trait increases the odds of unit promotion (conscript -> regular -> veteran -> elite) but does not affect leader generation odds.

 

[dojoboy]

Gotcha, thanks!

 

[Maple]

Are you sure? I thought militaristic civs get faster promotion and 1/12 GL generation instead of 1/16. Want proof? Look at Sullla's civ3 page and read his article about GOTM8. He talks a lot about how he liked the extra leaders Bismark gave him.

Sullla's Civ3 Page

 

[dojoboy]

You know, I wondered myself. I thought I read it before in several places which always made me curious about the effects of the Heroic Epic on militaristic civs.

 

[Catt]

Yes, I'm sure (from a post by Soren Johnson - but it's at another Civ forum site and I won't link to another site here at CivFanatics ).

I do need to read Sulla's story (I really enjoy them ) but can't read through it all now.

Militaristic civs tend to offer more opportunities to generate leaders, but the leader generation odds are the same. What do I mean? A veteran militaristic unit has a 1 in 4 chance of being promoted to elite after a victorious battle against an AI civ. A veteran non-militaristic unit has a 1 in 8 chance. After 40 attacks, the militaristic civ should have around 10 elite units; the non-militaristic civ should have about 5. 10 elites = 10 opportunities to generate a leader per turn; 5 elites = 5 opportunities per turn. Fighting a lot (and wisely) with a militaristic civ will give you more opportunities to "ring the bell" in the 1/16 die roll -- but it will not change the die roll.

For lots of good info (from Firaxis) on the militaristic trait and goody hut possibilities, see sumthinelse's thread here.

 

[sumthinelse]

Originally posted by Catt
The odds of leader generation for ALL civs, militaristic or not, is 1/16 without the Heroic Epic and 1/12 with the Heroic Epic.

Partly true, but there are other factors:

• armies
• barbarians
• attacking vs. defending (when defending it reduces probability by 50%)
• whether the elite unit has generated a leader before
• you can't have 2 leaders at the same time
• naval and air units can't create leaders
  

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http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24371